Sam Altman admits OpenAI ‘totally screwed up’ its GPT-5 launch and says the company will spend trillions of dollars on data centers

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• Auth@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “we fucked up our massive new generation product launch… oh well lets invest trillions in new data centers” How do investors keep falling for this shit.

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  • MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Don’t they have enough?!? How about they fix and optimize their fancy autocompletion software instead?

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    • Auth@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Fix and optimize? Thats way harder than using VC money to buy more things.

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    • Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Don’t they have enough?!?

      No no, it’s just 1 more data center bro, then we’ll fix the hallucinations, promise bro!

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  • Artisian@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s a pretty clear humble-brag, no? The launch was only botched because people loved the previous personality; it’s an estimate of how much people care about the product and how much price gouging they could do later.

    No it wasn’t good for OpenAI. But I doubt it changed many investor minds.

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      people were addicted to the AI relationship it allowed.

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  • Marthirial@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Because they already know that once the AI shitbubble bursts, they will switch all the GPUs to start mining Bitcoin and keep grifting the mouth breathers believing all these horseshit.

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      moving back to CRYPTO after it already crashed, and only people investing in it are the ones that are easily scammed; conservatives,old people.

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  • NoodlePoint@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The money and the supposed savings from getting rid of the human side of technical support but also efforts of human creatives.

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  • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    He’s saying the launch was done badly because some users are in love with GPT-4 and it should not be removed. From a point of view of a investor having people addicted to your product is a good thing.

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  • Ramblingman@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Fugazi

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  • willington@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    How indeed. It’s probably a multi-factor phenomenon which requires an anthropological study for a serious answer. (Good luck trying to get the necessary access to study them.) My guess for one factor in this, is that they have more money than they know what to do with.

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    • Auth@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The american stock market is purely vibe driven now

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• pivot_root@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “I literally lost my only friend overnight with no warning,” one person posted on Reddit

  It was meant to be satirical at the time, but maybe Futurama wasn’t entirely off the mark. That Redditor isn’t quite at that level, but it’s still probably not healthy to form an emotional attachment to the Markov chain equivalent of a sycophantic yes-man.

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  • Veedem@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m honestly surprised your’s is not the top comment. Like, whatever, the launch was bad, but there is a serious mental health crisis if people are forming emotional bonds to the software.

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    • Artisian@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Humans emotionally bond pretty easily, no? Like, we have folks attached to roombas, spiders, TV shows, and stuffed animals. Having a hard time thinking of anything X that I don’t personally know a person Y with Y emotionally engaged with X. Maybe taxes and concrete?

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    • Pilferjinx@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s a human trait. Hell, we’ll even emotionally bond with a volleyball given circumstances.

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    • a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I can fully understand? The average human, from my perspective and lived experience, is garbage to his contemporaries; and one is never safe from being hurt, neither from family or friends. Some people have been hurt more than others - i can fully understand the need for exchange with someone/something that genuinely doesn’t want to hurt you and that is (at least seemingly) more sapient than a pet.

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  • antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    There’s an entire active subreddit for people who have a “romantic relationship” with AI. It’s terrifying.

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    • Coyote_sly@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I haven’t been to reddit in months, but I do need a laugh…

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      i was going to mention it, they were having a meltdown when altman made the new version available. granted some of them are probably AI posts themselves or trolls.

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    • k0e3@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Don’t their partners kind of die each time a new chat is made?

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  • acosmichippo@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Markov chain equivalent of a sycophantic yes-man.

    not only that, but one that is fully owned and operated by a business that could change it any time they want, or even go out of business completely.

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    • possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      sure but you can absolutely run c.ai instances locally. 4o and it’s cross chat memory was probably more useful to these individuals though.

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  • Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    After reading about the ELIZA effect, I both learned how people are super susceptible to this, and just need to remember the core tenants of it to avoid getting affected:

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA_effect

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• tonytins@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Altman also said that he thinks we’re in an AI “bubble.”

  No shit, Sherlock.

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  • MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    He fucking helped create it

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    • CosmoNova@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Hell, he‘s the single main driver. What stupid times we live in.

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• socsa@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Nah, it's good that they ripped off that bandaid. Parasocial AI relationships are terrible.

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  • LodeMike@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Happy cake day!

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    • bilb@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I wonder if Piefed users have pie days

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  • T156@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The worst part is that they backstepped a bit and made it “friendlier”.

    Basically undoing that part.

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    • Electricd@lemmybefree.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Well, you sell what people want, even if it’s bad for them

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  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    its between codependant relationship and parasocial relationship of celebrities/public figures which is the extreme end, because usually its ends with stalking, or death threats.

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• Eggyhead@lemmings.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It annoys me that Chat GPT flat out lies to you when it doesn’t know the answer, and doesn’t have any system in place to admit it isn’t sure about something. It just makes it up and tells you like it’s fact.

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  • Evotech@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It doesn’t admit anything, it’s a language machine

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  • kadup@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    LLMs don’t have any awareness of their internal state, so there’s no way for them to see something as a gap of knowledge.

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    • Doorknob@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Took me ages to understand this. I’d thought "If an AI doesn’t know something, why not just say so?“

      The answer is: that wouldn’t make sense because an LLM doesn’t know ANYTHING - it’s literally just a pile of words

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    • figjam@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Wouldn’t it make sense for an ai to provide a confidence level though?

      I’ve got 3 million bits of info on this topic but only 4 of them lead to this solution. Confidence level =1.5%

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  • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Chat GPT makes up everything it says. It’s just good at guessing and bullshitting.

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  • CosmoNova@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It doesn‘t know that it doesn‘t know because it doesn‘t actually know anything. Most models are trained on posts from the internet like this one where people rarely ever just chime in to admit they don‘t have an answer anyway. If you don‘t know something you either silently search the web for an answer or ask.

    So since users are the ones asking ChatGPT, the LLM mimics the role of a person that knows the answer. It only makes sense AI is a „confidently wrong“ powerhouse.

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  • WanderingThoughts@europe.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    In the end it’s a word generator that has been trained so much it uses facts often enough to be convincing. That’s its basic architecture.

    You can ask it to give a confidence level to have an indication of how sure it is of the answer.

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  • Squizzy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It wouldnt finish a lyric for me yesterday because it was copyrighted. I sid it was public domain and it said “You are absolutely right, given its release date it is under copyright protection”

    Wtf

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    • int32@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      yeah, there are guardrails but for copyright, not for bullshit. ig they think copyrighted content is worse than bullshit.

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  • melroy@kbin.melroy.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It's a feature. Not a bug of LLMs.

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    • Electricd@lemmybefree.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s neither. It’s a design flaw. They’re not designed to be able to handle this type of situation correctly

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  • JayGray91@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Someone I know (not close enough to even call an "internet friend") formed a sadistic bond with chatGPT and will force it to apologize and admit being stupid or something like that when he didn't get the answer he's looking for.

    I guess that's better than doing it to a person I suppose.

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  • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Chat GPT makes up everything it says. It’s just good at guessing and bullshitting.

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  • BlueCanoe@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s actually one thing that got significantly improved with GPT-5, fewer hallucinations. Still not perfect of course

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    • Eggyhead@lemmings.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m more inclined to believe it’s gotten better at being convincing.

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  • frog_brawler@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s pretty much the same shit that some people do when they’re put on the spot.

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  • Awkwardparticle@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It is a system that outputs an answer that is the most probably correct one from what it processes from the inputs. It does not have the concept of creating a lie. It is just a probability machine.

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  • lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    And depending on how OpenAI tweaked it this time it will either realize its mistake after being made aware of it or double down hard on it.

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    • Eggyhead@lemmings.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I sometimes approach this like I do with students. Using your example, I’d ask it to restate the source, then ask it to read the title of that source directly. If it’s correct, I might ask it to briefly summarize what the source article covers. Then I would ask it to restate what it told me about the source earlier, and to explain where the inconsistency lies. Usually by this time, the AI is accurately pointing out flaws in its prior logic. At that point I ask again if it is 100% sure it didn’t make a mistake, and it might actually concede to having been wrong. Then I tell it to remember how and why it was wrong to avoid similar errors in the future. I don’t know if it actually works, but it makes me feel better about it.

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• AngryRobot@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Its disturbing to see how many people have created emotional connections to a word generstor.

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  • BabyVi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Imaginary friends used to require atleast some modicum of creativity.

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    • EldenLord@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Right? If you told someone from the past that we outsourced imagination to computers, they‘d think we live in a dystopia? Oh, wait…

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  • Electricd@lemmybefree.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    We’re all word generators

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    • CosmoNova@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      We’re far more than that. We are having a conversation, transmitting our thoughts through space and time. It’s like telepathy, really. Word salad machines could never pull that off.

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• C1pher@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Just a few more bucks bro! I swear then it will be the revolutionary “AI” we promised it to be.

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  • pulsewidth@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    *Few more billion.

    I sometimes wonder if silicon valley tech businesses in general will take a reputation hit with investors when this bubble bursts, it’s gonna be a doozy.

    But then I remember how many greedy idiots there are out there pumping money into grifts in the hope of The Big Win, and my expectations of consequences are tempered.

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    • sobchak@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think it’s driven by the investors. In the case of big tech, the large institutional investors are rewarding companies any time they say “AI” and lay off workers. In the case of startups, VCs are almost exclusively investing in startups that use “AI,” and have a lean or offshore workforce.

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• resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Boil the ocean a few more times to discover 1+1=3.

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• cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  we definitely need to eradicate tech ceos from existence

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• captainastronaut@seattlelunarsociety.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  That someone is so attached to this stochastic parrot is truly disturbing.

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• uhdeuidheuidhed@thelemmy.club ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  All that money that could be spent improving the lives of poor people in need.

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• jaykrown@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Never use AI for friendship, it’s like admitting you only want yes-men in your life. I don’t want to be around anyone who uses AI for emotional support.

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• whelk@retrolemmy.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Stop it. Get some help.

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• SethTaylor@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I puked after “I literally lost my only friend”. How far did you get?

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• tfm@europe.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  That’s pathetic

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• ur_ONLEY_freind@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Every picture of this guys face feels like " I don’t know how I got here and i’m afraid to touch anything"

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• Deflated0ne@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  A round of .308 costs like a dollar.

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• SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Sam Altman admits Rambling meth dealer ‘totally screwed up’ its super meth launch and says the company will spend trillions of dollars on data centers

  I love my AI hype word replacement script

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• EldenLord@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I smell a finance bubble bursting in the near future tbh. Rather be prepared sooner than later.

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• Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Besides helping students cheat. What does AI actually do? It gets answers wrong. It gets facts wrong, foreign countries are actively feeding its training algorithm wrong info [Russia]. It almost like the old birds that were mystified by landing on the moon are still chasing that American success high.

  Spend your money if you want. Life in america is not gonna get better with this.

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• SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Pathetic

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• MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Eh. Your load of money made a oopsie. Another load of money will surely fix it.

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• Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Well one thing’s for sure, data centers are going to be insanely cheap in the near future.

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• T156@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Honestly, that should have been for the better. If it’s meant to be a tool, I would much rather it behave like a tool, rather than trying to be my best friend, or an evil vizier trying to give me advice.

  The fact that people got so attached to what is essentially a text generation algorithm that they were mourning its “death” is worrying, especially when it’s one that OpenAI has proven themselves to be more than able to modify as they wish.

  Just as concerning is OpenAI rolling back the update to make their model “friendlier”, or that people were clamouring hand over fist to throw money at the company in the hopes of getting their “friend” back.

  That can’t possibly be good news, especially when the shareholders find out that they have an iron grip over a portion of their users.

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• Gsus4@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Won’t they just let this guy go bankrupt already?

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• asbestos@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I knew these connections must have existed, but seeing the r*ddit comments (assuming they’re real), I’m absolutely terrified of the future. It’s such a delicate situation due to human emotions but the thought of a tool created by a corporation being the only friend of so many people and the implications of that sends chills down my spine.

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• frog_brawler@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You know… if this wasn’t an “AI specific blunder” we’d probably spend some time talking about how uniquely incompetent Altman has been as a someone running a business.

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• Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  How about your responsibility for the damaging and lethal product of yours, OpenAI?

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• Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  your company doesnt look like it has a trillion. maybe apple , google can expand a little, or nvidia, but they surely arent going to build more.

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• UltraBlack@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “I literally lost my only friend overnight with no warning,” one person posted on Reddit, lamenting that the bot now speaks in clipped, utilitarian sentences. “The fact it shifted overnight feels like losing a piece of stability, solace, and love.”

  If you are this you deserve nothing else.

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