GitHub is finally dead.
GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation
Submitted 5 weeks ago by zaphod@sopuli.xyz to technology@lemmy.world
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zaphod@sopuli.xyz 5 weeks ago
Sxan@piefed.zip 5 weeks ago
It was dead when MS bought it. Software developers aren't immune to denial.
medem@lemmy.wtf 5 weeks ago
People not realising (or not caring enough about) the irony that more than 80% of open source projects are hosted in a platform which is a) not open source and b) owned by M$ has always been a mistery to me.
chunes@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Microsoft buying Github is the best example of the fox guarding the hen house that exists. Even better than an ad company making a web browser.
zaphod@sopuli.xyz 5 weeks ago
It was braindead when MS bought it and kept artificially alive.
mitch@piefed.mitch.science 5 weeks ago
the mergers & acquisitions leviathan eats yet another beautiful thing, just like it ate my precious linode.
merc@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
It’s not just GitHub. People are also using VSCode, despite it slowly suffocating the non-MS dev ecosystem.
Microsoft switched from the really aggressive “Embrace, Extend, Extinguish” of the 90s and early naughts to a much slower and more subtle process that’s still just as unfriendly to the open source / free software ecosystem.
tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de 5 weeks ago
Microsoft 365 Copilot CodeShare Professional
iii@mander.xyz 5 weeks ago
Finally we can do collaborative coding in powerpoint, put it on sharepoint, and have copilot link it to issues in teams.
BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I didn’t have many but I’m pulling all my repos from GitHub.
seraphine@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
Still a zombie tho, and its gonna be for a long time, as long as it stays relevant
phirdowak@programming.dev 5 weeks ago
Are we moving to Codeberg now?
mesamunefire@piefed.social 5 weeks ago
Or your own server. But yeah this is not so good for the rest of us. They are doubling down on AI.
woelkchen@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Self hosting for your own needs is great but you won’t get the “drive by” contributions you get from shared platforms. On GitHub, Gitlab, and Codeberg, if I even see as little as a typo in the readme file, I open a pull request. I will not sign up on a hundred different git hosters for stuff like that.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 5 weeks ago
There’s plenty alternatives.
- Sourcehut sr.ht (possibly other instances)
- Various gitlab instances, e.g. framagit.org
- not to mention git’s own web ui which runs under so many domains; some of them might even be open to signups.
ronigami@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Unfortunately none has quite as good of a search engine. Do any actually have social features like friends and feeds?
mintiefresh@piefed.ca 5 weeks ago
I would like to but I do want some private repos.
Maybe self hosting is the best move from here on in.
Jason2357@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
A forge like Codeberg is great for collaboration, but if you mean private as in just-for-yourself, pushing to a bare repo on just about anything will get it done. No need for a software forge. If you already sync files somehow, like some dropbox equivelant, put bare repos on there and push/pull from there. That said, forgejo is very easy to self-host and the identical UI to Codeberg.
Feyd@programming.dev 5 weeks ago
Private repos, if you don’t need a forge, can easily be pushed to a VPS with ssh
sbv@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Doesn’t Codeberg have private repos? I could’ve sworn I’ve created one.
jjlinux@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
It blows my mind that so many devs did not see this coming the moment Microsoft bought it. I was waiting for this to happen the moment I found out about the acquisition.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I’m only surprised it took this long.
Squiddork@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Pretty sure I had Embrace Extend Extinguish as my ‘status’ when microsoft inevitably introduced that linkedin style social media bullshit to a git server.
Plenty of good alternatives out there, or roll your own!
PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Use Codeberg, or self-host Forgejo
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I stopped sending updates to it and host my own gitlab now.
won’t ever look back.
Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
Meaning you have your own machine to host on or how does it work?
Jankatarch@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I fully saw it when I heard but alas. I still need the green squares on my github page to get hired. Nobody looks at projects as much as the green squares.
jjlinux@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
I’m not a developer, but I can certainly understand your position. It’s unfortunate that companies rely on this type of company to decide if someone is worth hiring. There’s a need for companies to have streamlines that look at the actual capabilities and values of potential hires, regardless of where the evidences are hosted.
This world is way too broken, and getting worse every day.
Tangent5280@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
It is laughably easy to fake those green squares that for a while, ages ago, I had some commit counts like 14000 or so… every single day.
There are so many tools to also fake human like commit counts for those pretty green squares that if I came to know of my senior engineers hiring on that basis, their estimation as interviewers in my eyes would take a nosedive.
TwinTitans@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Everything M$ touches dies. What a fucking shocker.
witten@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Now if only they could work that magic on ICE and IDF. (They are in bed with both.)
lime360@kbin.earth 5 weeks ago
i don't think being owned by a shitty billionare company counts as independent
AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 5 weeks ago
I believe that's probably why they specify in the headline "at Microsoft" rather than just "independent."
You can have an independent division within a company that doesn't get orders from the company's main CEO, or you can have it be fully under that person's oversight. It used to be a separate division with its own management, now it's not, thus it's no longer internally independent.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
Mauve différence when you have an executive team that can say no.
Now that the No guys are out, MS CoreAI team can do whatever the fuck they want.
I should have deleted my data earlier.
Gsus4@mander.xyz 5 weeks ago
So they’re just going to use GitHub as a code training dataset? Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
marlowe221@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
The real question is…. WHY DOES AZURE DEVOPS STILL EXIST?!?!?
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 5 weeks ago
Our company runs everything on Azure. We use windows PCs, Visual Studio Professional, C# .Net, outlook, teams, etc.
We make enterprise software and I am happy really. I wasn’t at the start but as time goes on I don’t care, I do my job and go home.
bvoigtlaender@feddit.org 5 weeks ago
Username checks out :)
essteeyou@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
The company I worked at got acquired by a big tech company. We’re switching from Google suite to Microsoft, Mac to Windows, Slack to Teams, etc. It’s pretty painful as transitions go, and if not for golden handcuffs I’d be gone.
I’m not sure if I’ll ever be happy with Visual Studio though, so I use Jetbrains Rider.
Nikls94@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
So your company either works with Microsoft or has a weird idea of security. Teams does not work without taking home to Microsoft. My company tried everything but couldn’t make it work, so they extended their Skype for business service for some years.
I hope they switch to Linux when this is over.
Master167@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Because businesses that use .NET are already paying for it with their visual studio subscription or higher Microsoft support. It’s a bare minimum product that has no incentive to improve because no one pays for it. But businesses force the use of because “we’re already paying for it”
Tempo@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Ah, the age old Microsoft strategy of bundling.
darksiderbun@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
Better than Jira IMO, but it’s just the one I use, so 🤷
josefo@leminal.space 5 weeks ago
This is the most infuriating, heartbreaking and lame thing ever. AI bros are just a bunch of losers ruining stuff for everyone.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
crypto bros == AI bros
always have been ruining shit for everyone else.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
They’re all avatars of nvidia which themselves are avatar of TSMC and the silicon chip manufacturing industry. There are underlying technological current are driving cultural movement … Oh no “Culture is downstream from technology” that is the most cyberpunk thing I’ve ever heard
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
And the unfortunate part is that crypto and LLMs are cool tech, but the bros completely ruin them.
axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe 5 weeks ago
don’t use the equality (==) operator, use strict equality instead (===)
crypto bros === AI bros
sad_detective_man@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
shit, whats this going to mean for repos like massgrave? will microsoft enforce shitty policies against DIY software that’s published there if it violates somebody’s terms of use?
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
I’m finding this kind of Pikachu surprised face meme worthy, really.
We all know and knew that GitHub is Microsoft’s. We all know that Microsoft is fucking evil, yet everyone and their mother have their main repo management with GitHub.
W.T.F.
what did you expect would happen, sooner rather than later?
Well technically nothing has happened yet, but you can imagine the fun that is coming
iglou@programming.dev 5 weeks ago
I honestly don’t understand ehy Github hasn’t been abandonned by users at this point. If I were a company, I’d either go to the competition, who is just as good if not better, or host in-house if the means are there.
I’m just a freelancer and I gave up on github 3 years ago
turdburglar@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
i’m having these same feelings about my youtube channel. they tell me i’m paranoid…
‘what, you think youtube is gonna go down?’
it’s not that i think it’s gonna go down, but it’s that nothing gold can stay. i gotta get some eggs in a different basket.
sad_detective_man@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
woah. I really didn’t know. I guess in that case it’s also strange it didn’t happen sooner
fossilesque@mander.xyz 5 weeks ago
For posterity: archive.softwareheritage.org
rozodru@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Didn’t this clown literally say like lastweek that if you’re a dev and you’re not using AI to get out? well…he’s out and look what happens.
Move to Codeberg, donate to them, or self host your git repos.
josefo@leminal.space 5 weeks ago
I’m in the process of moving mine to self host, I’ll put a guide with the steps I’m following so others can follow them. It’s really good that git basically provides the thing out of the box. This is ok for most of my use cases which are private repos, or shared with small groups of friends. For public projects, I think we still need a way for projects to be easily found, like a directory. Sadly GitHub filled that space, it was ubiquitous. Not even gitlab or bitbucket approached the massive adoption github has. Even some fediverse version of it would probably have a hard time being that massive.
reluctant_squidd@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
The ensh*tification continues. Time for community git to somehow be federated like lemmy.
Some sort of encrypted collective sharing of the whole through BitTorrent style shared hosting.
I would seriously consider donating a few TB space and half my bandwidth to that.
dohpaz42@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Git has always been decentralized. That was one of its purposes. Sites like GitHub, Gitlab, etc actually went against the grain and centralized them; I personally believe this helped popularize git back in the days of CVS and Subversion being the two most popular version control systems.
Git patches were made to be email friendly as a means of distributing code between developers — it’s how the Linux kernel does it (or did, I’m not up to date on their current practices).
Pamasich@kbin.earth 5 weeks ago
Time for community git to somehow be federated like lemmy.
Already being worked on for a while. It's called ForgeFed and being developed by Forgejo (the software powering codeberg). It's an extension to the ActivityPub protocol, which is also powering the fediverse.
BartyDeCanter@lemmy.sdf.org 5 weeks ago
RVGamer06@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
umbrella@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
[deleted]ripcord@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
That had already started.
SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 5 weeks ago
I’m just waiting for Forgejo federation to be a thing, and some sort of definitive website for discovering projects. Right now, even though I do have my slefhosted forgejo instance, I still need to keep my code on GitHub, or no-one else will ever find it.
iglou@programming.dev 5 weeks ago
… Was it ever since they got bought?
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
So long and thanks for all the fish indeed
And, which is the real Copilot now? Fuck MS and their terrible terrible naming.
loveknight@programming.dev 5 weeks ago
We’ve been warned. (And unsurprisingly, Roy Schestowitz is being bomarbed by Microsofters with a chain of SLAPP suits.)
Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Self-hosting is the future.
TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
Monopolies becoming more of a monopolies while the US is weaponized to protect them.
sexy_peach@feddit.org 5 weeks ago
Lol they’re going to integrate it into their business software slop that nobody cool uses
kboy101222@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Man, I just got my personal website running on GitHub pages last week, and I’m too broke to host it elsewhere and too lazy to host it myself
Mwa@thelemmy.club 5 weeks ago
Can’t wait for the extra Product Decay
9point6@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I mean, it’s clearly not really been independent for a good while now
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Here we go…all the grayware GitHub projects are going to be culled
OnfireNFS@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I’m running a self hosted Gitlab instance right now but thinking of switching to Forgejo. Anyone tried both and have thoughts on each?
thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I wonder how Nixos feels about this
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 5 weeks ago
As someone who moved out of there before they got taken over by MS: Told you so. I mean it’s been gradual but constant enshittification since then.
BTW, is it just me or is the “at” in the headline wrong?
portnull@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Soft serve by charm.sh is also fun to use. If you’re a CLI junkie.
dil@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
Issue on every github project should be “hosted on github” (just kidding kinda not really) Has github ever actually helped discoverability?
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
Don't just move to Codeberg; donate to them too.
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
Codeberg has a lot of restrictions regarding private repositories and… complicated verbiage regarding what licenses they want for public repositories.
For public repositories… do you think that MS et al can’t already scrape all of that?
I am all for telling MS to go fuck themselves. But it is important people actually understand what they are and aren’t getting in terms of privacy and the like. It is like how people still sometimes pretend that the completely open site where just about anyone can run an instance has LESS ai scraping than a reddit.
GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
The key point about codeberg as I understand it is it’s meant for foss projects. It’s not really much more complex than that. Want to host non-free software, or want to use it for your company’s private code repository? They don’t want that on their servers, so either find an alternative or self-host forgejo, which is the same code (derived from gitea) that powers codeberg itself.
mitch@piefed.mitch.science 5 weeks ago
i just wanted to drop my personal favorite self-hosted git alternative, Gogs (gogs.io). i have very modest git needs (i just need a place to host code and interact with the
gitclient), and i think it fits the bill well.i am not associated with it at all, i just want folks to know that self-hosting your own git service has really never been easier or better. there are so many good options, like a similar project, gitea.
mesamunefire@piefed.social 5 weeks ago
gog is nice. I like forgejo myself as its dead simple to get set up. But yeah both are really nice.
ezyryder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
making my own website from scratch as we speak. The intersection of art and DIY tech, with some anti-censorship guides as well.