Issue on every github project should be “hosted on github” (just kidding kinda not really) Has github ever actually helped discoverability?
GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation
Submitted 8 months ago by zaphod@sopuli.xyz to technology@lemmy.world
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dil@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Monopolies becoming more of a monopolies while the US is weaponized to protect them.
Jarix@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Th ease comment make me curious. How many of you have read Microserfs?
wabasso@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
I’ve read it but I don’t remember enough detail to understand what you’re referring to.
Jarix@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I haven’t read it myself, which is part of what made me wonder. I’m not sure there is anything to reference in the stories. Just a tangent curiosity
Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Self-hosting is the future.
marlowe221@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The real question is…. WHY DOES AZURE DEVOPS STILL EXIST?!?!?
darksiderbun@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Better than Jira IMO, but it’s just the one I use, so 🤷
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
Our company runs everything on Azure. We use windows PCs, Visual Studio Professional, C# .Net, outlook, teams, etc.
We make enterprise software and I am happy really. I wasn’t at the start but as time goes on I don’t care, I do my job and go home.
Nikls94@lemmy.world 7 months ago
So your company either works with Microsoft or has a weird idea of security. Teams does not work without taking home to Microsoft. My company tried everything but couldn’t make it work, so they extended their Skype for business service for some years.
I hope they switch to Linux when this is over.
essteeyou@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The company I worked at got acquired by a big tech company. We’re switching from Google suite to Microsoft, Mac to Windows, Slack to Teams, etc. It’s pretty painful as transitions go, and if not for golden handcuffs I’d be gone.
I’m not sure if I’ll ever be happy with Visual Studio though, so I use Jetbrains Rider.
bvoigtlaender@feddit.org 8 months ago
Username checks out :)
Master167@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Because businesses that use .NET are already paying for it with their visual studio subscription or higher Microsoft support. It’s a bare minimum product that has no incentive to improve because no one pays for it. But businesses force the use of because “we’re already paying for it”
Tempo@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Ah, the age old Microsoft strategy of bundling.
sad_detective_man@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
shit, whats this going to mean for repos like massgrave? will microsoft enforce shitty policies against DIY software that’s published there if it violates somebody’s terms of use?
fossilesque@mander.xyz 8 months ago
For posterity: archive.softwareheritage.org
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
I’m finding this kind of Pikachu surprised face meme worthy, really.
We all know and knew that GitHub is Microsoft’s. We all know that Microsoft is fucking evil, yet everyone and their mother have their main repo management with GitHub.
W.T.F.
what did you expect would happen, sooner rather than later?
Well technically nothing has happened yet, but you can imagine the fun that is coming
iglou@programming.dev 8 months ago
I honestly don’t understand ehy Github hasn’t been abandonned by users at this point. If I were a company, I’d either go to the competition, who is just as good if not better, or host in-house if the means are there.
I’m just a freelancer and I gave up on github 3 years ago
sad_detective_man@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
woah. I really didn’t know. I guess in that case it’s also strange it didn’t happen sooner
turdburglar@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
i’m having these same feelings about my youtube channel. they tell me i’m paranoid…
‘what, you think youtube is gonna go down?’
it’s not that i think it’s gonna go down, but it’s that nothing gold can stay. i gotta get some eggs in a different basket.
jjlinux@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
It blows my mind that so many devs did not see this coming the moment Microsoft bought it. I was waiting for this to happen the moment I found out about the acquisition.
Jankatarch@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I fully saw it when I heard but alas. I still need the green squares on my github page to get hired. Nobody looks at projects as much as the green squares.
Tangent5280@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It is laughably easy to fake those green squares that for a while, ages ago, I had some commit counts like 14000 or so… every single day.
There are so many tools to also fake human like commit counts for those pretty green squares that if I came to know of my senior engineers hiring on that basis, their estimation as interviewers in my eyes would take a nosedive.
jjlinux@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
I’m not a developer, but I can certainly understand your position. It’s unfortunate that companies rely on this type of company to decide if someone is worth hiring. There’s a need for companies to have streamlines that look at the actual capabilities and values of potential hires, regardless of where the evidences are hosted.
This world is way too broken, and getting worse every day.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’m only surprised it took this long.
Squiddork@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Pretty sure I had Embrace Extend Extinguish as my ‘status’ when microsoft inevitably introduced that linkedin style social media bullshit to a git server.
Plenty of good alternatives out there, or roll your own!
PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Use Codeberg, or self-host Forgejo
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I stopped sending updates to it and host my own gitlab now.
won’t ever look back.
Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
Meaning you have your own machine to host on or how does it work?
TwinTitans@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Everything M$ touches dies. What a fucking shocker.
witten@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Now if only they could work that magic on ICE and IDF. (They are in bed with both.)
josefo@leminal.space 8 months ago
This is the most infuriating, heartbreaking and lame thing ever. AI bros are just a bunch of losers ruining stuff for everyone.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 8 months ago
crypto bros == AI bros
always have been ruining shit for everyone else.
axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe 7 months ago
don’t use the equality (==) operator, use strict equality instead (===)
crypto bros === AI bros
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
They’re all avatars of nvidia which themselves are avatar of TSMC and the silicon chip manufacturing industry. There are underlying technological current are driving cultural movement … Oh no “Culture is downstream from technology” that is the most cyberpunk thing I’ve ever heard
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
And the unfortunate part is that crypto and LLMs are cool tech, but the bros completely ruin them.
Gsus4@mander.xyz 8 months ago
So they’re just going to use GitHub as a code training dataset? Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
iglou@programming.dev 8 months ago
… Was it ever since they got bought?
umbrella@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
[deleted]ripcord@lemmy.world 8 months ago
That had already started.
LOLjoeWTF@lemmy.world 8 months ago
How has GitHub been enshittified? It’s a genuine question, because I’ve thought Microsoft has been a pretty good steward of it until now.
xthexder@l.sw0.com 8 months ago
and so the enshitification continues
thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I wonder how Nixos feels about this
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Here we go…all the grayware GitHub projects are going to be culled
SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
I’m just waiting for Forgejo federation to be a thing, and some sort of definitive website for discovering projects. Right now, even though I do have my slefhosted forgejo instance, I still need to keep my code on GitHub, or no-one else will ever find it.
sommerset@thelemmy.club 8 months ago
I’m using gitea - why u guys use forgejo again?
SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
All the reasons that others mentioned, plus it sound cool.
dogs0n@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I just half went down this rabbit hole, I’m thinking forgejo is the best option (for me) because:
- they dogfood (they actually use their own product, on the other hand gitea uses github and github actions). This makes me feel more confident in forgejo.
- is not “owned” by a for-profit entity that could change course in the future, creating a big hassle for me down the line if I need to swap to something else for whatever enshitified reason (since forgejo is no longer compatible with gitea).
- forgejo seems to be more at-the-ready for finding and fixing security vulnerabilities in their own app (as proclaimed on their site).
- future possibility for federation (gitea is not planning this according to forgejo site).
Forgejo explaining the differences: forgejo.org/compare-to-gitea/
snusnu@lemmynsfw.com 8 months ago
I don’t remember the details, but something happened to the Gitea ownership structure without warning, and people were upset about it.
As an actual differentiator: Forgejo has an LTS version that which gets support for 1 year. Normal versions only get supported until the next major release (every few months).
Gitea to my knowledge doesn’t have any LTS.
kboy101222@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Man, I just got my personal website running on GitHub pages last week, and I’m too broke to host it elsewhere and too lazy to host it myself
nagaram@startrek.website 8 months ago
Ya wanna host it on my forgejo instance?
I’m about to move it to a kubenetes cluster once my parts come in.
StopSpazzing@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Cloudflare supports same pages and for free
napkin2020@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
and it’s arguably better of a service. CF supports private repo page for free.
thirteene@lemmy.world 8 months ago
docs.aws.amazon.com/…/WebsiteHosting.html aws free tier is also an option (although maybe not an improvement in this thread)
kboy101222@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I mean, it doesn’t seem like an improvement jumping from Microsoft to Amazon. Still a massive POS company
Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
There’s quite a few places that you can host a simple site for free.
Plus, linode’s cheapest Nanode option is $5 bucks a month, you could spin up a very minimal LAMP stack on that.
Mwa@thelemmy.club 8 months ago
Can’t wait for the extra Product Decay
portnull@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Soft serve by charm.sh is also fun to use. If you’re a CLI junkie.
StopSpazzing@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Wtf is this… so awesome yet nerdy and weird. Also love this bit:
You can also skip all permission prompts entirely by running Crush with the --yolo flag. Be very, very careful with this feature.
portnull@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Charm.sh is awesome stuff. Many different tools all CLI based. github.com/charmbracelet/soft-serve for soft serve which is a git host you browse over ssh
OnfireNFS@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’m running a self hosted Gitlab instance right now but thinking of switching to Forgejo. Anyone tried both and have thoughts on each?
kensand@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
I have self-hosted both, although admittedly Gitlab was quite a few years ago. Forgejo is faster and lighter, GitLab is slow and huge. Unless you know you need a very specific GitLab feature, I’d go Forgejo all day.
doeknius_gloek@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
I use GitLab at work and Forgejo at home. GitLab is huge, Forgejo is lighter. GitLab Runner is very nice, Woodpecker was a pain to setup but it now does everything I need. GitLab supports Subgroups, Forgejo does not. Forgejo is FOSS with a non-profit behind it, GitLab Inc. is for-profit.
At the end, I like to work with both. GitLab has lots of features, but for my own stuff Forgejo serves me very well and I like the openness of it.
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Perfect question for the Codeberg matrix channel I suppose
dotdi@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Hot damn is my self-hosted Forgejo hot right now.
Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Can I touch it
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 8 months ago
As someone who moved out of there before they got taken over by MS: Told you so. I mean it’s been gradual but constant enshittification since then.
BTW, is it just me or is the “at” in the headline wrong?
JumpyWombat@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
[deleted]tekato@lemmy.world 8 months ago
If they claim it’s dead every year they’re bound to get it right.
rozodru@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Didn’t this clown literally say like lastweek that if you’re a dev and you’re not using AI to get out? well…he’s out and look what happens.
Move to Codeberg, donate to them, or self host your git repos.
josefo@leminal.space 8 months ago
I’m in the process of moving mine to self host, I’ll put a guide with the steps I’m following so others can follow them. It’s really good that git basically provides the thing out of the box. This is ok for most of my use cases which are private repos, or shared with small groups of friends. For public projects, I think we still need a way for projects to be easily found, like a directory. Sadly GitHub filled that space, it was ubiquitous. Not even gitlab or bitbucket approached the massive adoption github has. Even some fediverse version of it would probably have a hard time being that massive.
9point6@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I mean, it’s clearly not really been independent for a good while now
loveknight@programming.dev 8 months ago
We’ve been warned. (And unsurprisingly, Roy Schestowitz is being bomarbed by Microsofters with a chain of SLAPP suits.)
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
Don't just move to Codeberg; donate to them too.
mitch@piefed.mitch.science 8 months ago
i just wanted to drop my personal favorite self-hosted git alternative, Gogs (gogs.io). i have very modest git needs (i just need a place to host code and interact with the
gitclient), and i think it fits the bill well.i am not associated with it at all, i just want folks to know that self-hosting your own git service has really never been easier or better. there are so many good options, like a similar project, gitea.
ezyryder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
making my own website from scratch as we speak. The intersection of art and DIY tech, with some anti-censorship guides as well.
mesamunefire@piefed.social 8 months ago
gog is nice. I like forgejo myself as its dead simple to get set up. But yeah both are really nice.
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Codeberg has a lot of restrictions regarding private repositories and… complicated verbiage regarding what licenses they want for public repositories.
For public repositories… do you think that MS et al can’t already scrape all of that?
I am all for telling MS to go fuck themselves. But it is important people actually understand what they are and aren’t getting in terms of privacy and the like. It is like how people still sometimes pretend that the completely open site where just about anyone can run an instance has LESS ai scraping than a reddit.
GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
The key point about codeberg as I understand it is it’s meant for foss projects. It’s not really much more complex than that. Want to host non-free software, or want to use it for your company’s private code repository? They don’t want that on their servers, so either find an alternative or self-host forgejo, which is the same code (derived from gitea) that powers codeberg itself.
lime360@kbin.earth 8 months ago
i don't think being owned by a shitty billionare company counts as independent
AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 8 months ago
I believe that's probably why they specify in the headline "at Microsoft" rather than just "independent."
You can have an independent division within a company that doesn't get orders from the company's main CEO, or you can have it be fully under that person's oversight. It used to be a separate division with its own management, now it's not, thus it's no longer internally independent.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Mauve différence when you have an executive team that can say no.
Now that the No guys are out, MS CoreAI team can do whatever the fuck they want.
I should have deleted my data earlier.
phirdowak@programming.dev 8 months ago
Are we moving to Codeberg now?
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
So long and thanks for all the fish indeed
And, which is the real Copilot now? Fuck MS and their terrible terrible naming.
bhamlin@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Room temperature take: It has been not independent for much longer than that.