Lemmy is a tech literate echo chamber

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• Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  It’s also why I think people say they don’t want lemmy to change, that they want to filter out people, whenever the state of the platform is discussed, how it’s not user friendly and properly thought out to be scalable.

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  • Sabata11792@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    If the normies and corpos overpower the nerds and weirdos, then Lemmy dies just like every platform before it.

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• halvar@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  As someone who is way too tech literate I would argue tech should be made more accessible. I wholeheartedly disagree with the walled garden approach, but the fact that I just had a conversation with my friends with the result of “but I won’t use a password manager, because it’s too complicated” is very eye opening.

  Here’s my setup for instance: Bitwarden, I log into my own server (which it self is kind of a hidden setting), then go into Settings > Autofill, check everything, grant a dozen obscure permissions (most people won’t know what they are) and then sometimes it just doesn’t work. Yet again sometimes it randomly loses said permissions and I have to grant them again, meaning I couldn’t even help someone while setting it up, because eventually it might break.

  People should be able to download a password manager of their choosing and then grant a “this is a password manager” option, which shouldn’t be easily exploitable. Instead apps and websites should clearly declare login forms, but they don’t really so these apps need a fuckton of permissions, over which we should obviously have granular control, so fucking password managers of all things become a powertool.

  And these kinds of things happen ridiculously often, over way too much different tech stuff.

  Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

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  • BassTurd@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    If you don’t host Bitwarden and use the extension, it pretty much is that easy out of the box. Some pages are ass and Bitwarden won’t detect a login form, but in my experience, 9/10 times it works fine. You can and should harden the security settings for it, but for most people, vanilla settings are better than their current solution.

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    • halvar@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Autofill is still an issue though. I can’t recall which settings are off by default but I found I need them a lot of times and so I always have to enable them and give accessibility permissions to Bitwarden, which sometimes it loses. It really annoys me and if it can annoy me it can’t be used by people who don’t want to deal with any tech that doesn’t work out of the box.

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• SektorC@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I am not a programmer, not a geek, but just the ability to recognize problems and then find and implement the solution gives me the aura of an omniscient wizard. Simple things like: We have an automatic drying machine for work clothes here, but we haven’t been able to use it for YEARS! A Google search, manual found. We now have the third coffee machine. They always break because of the chalky water. When we descale, the display still lights up: If I really go through the instructions in the manual step by step, it suddenly works. And that’s before we get to any multiple screens or Excel problems with the sum function.

  If you can interpret your car’s manual, you’re a hero. If you can also get hold of the vehicle’s repair manual, then you’re a wizard. And if you understand the sum function in Excel, then you are a danger to your supervisor.

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• JandroDelSol@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  i don’t claim to have much computer knowledge, but people look at me like I have two heads when I suggest using a YouTube client without ads or download Blokada. Hell, the amount of people who don’t use Firefox (or a fork of it) and uBlock Origing are insane

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  • CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Any good reccomendations for an alternate youtube client?

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    • JandroDelSol@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      i use IgeBlock, it still has banner ads but tbh they don’t bother me

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  • ComplacentGoat@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Average person here. I just want all my stuff to work with minimal intervention. And for me at least Google delivered. So that’s what I went with. I work too much to really care. I hate ads so I go with stuff like YouTube Premium, but for normal sites you have to stay on top of the latest methods and find workarounds to make ad blockers work perfectly. It’s just not a big enough inconvenience for me to dedicate what little time I have to deal with.

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    • JandroDelSol@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I mean, it takes three minutes to switch to Firefox and maybe thirty seconds to install uBlock Origin, which generally works out of the box

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• bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  100%. Thats why I like it here hahaha

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• _LordMcNuggets_@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  can’t code but can oddly setup a pretty fucking dope server

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  • Atomic@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Because you’re capable of following a set of instructions and when there’s something you don’t fully understand you try to look it up knowing you have the world’s combined knowledge at your fingertips.

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    • _LordMcNuggets_@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      yeah fully agree. with that logic though there shouldn’t be any excuses for people not to be able to join Lemmy because its “too technical”. following instructions and taking the initiative of following / learning about your curiosities are two separate things.

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  • blackwateropeth@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    +1 to what atomic said. You could probably learn to code in relatively the same way you set up your servers; with some time and instructions. As long as you understand some fundamentals, coding isn’t that scary at all. Some languages can be tough, though :)

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    • Fleur_@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Sure but that’s true for literally every person on the planet.

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• daggermoon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  and the problem is?

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  • Fleur_@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Nobody here is able to give good tech advice

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• PolydoreSmith@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  No it’s not.

  …checkmate, mothafucka!

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  • Fleur_@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    /thread

    Back it up boys we’re going home

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• dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I’ve been saying it’s an echo chamber for a while now and it makes me spend less time here.

  I am a software developer so yes on the coding.

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• TheOrionArm@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  mastodon is the same way; I feel like I’m in a linux fórum sometimes

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• ininewcrow@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I think it’s always going to be about 20% of the population (I’m guessing but I also don’t think its a high percentage) that will always be tech literate … or tech capable.

  Everyone is skilled in some areas more than others. And the general population will always be like that no matter the era, generation or geography or capability or access.

  I grew up poor in northern Ontario in Canada in an Indigenous community. I really have no real training to speak of, nor do I have any post secondary education … I have high school but never had the opportunity to go further than that. But I have a good brain (at least I think I do) … I learned about computer tech on my own - first learning how to use Windows, installing uninstalling stuff, then fixing updating, repairing and maintaining systems … then drifted into the software cracking, windows cracking stuff … then over to patching, fixing and maintaining hardware to just keep everything working … I’m not wealthy, so I always had to figure stuff out on my own. Then once private software became too difficult, I went over to open source software with Linux and freeware and now build and repair and maintain my own systems and fix stuff for other people.

  All the while, the majority of everyone else I knew never learned to do these things. I few of my friends are like me and did stuff on their own but not many (which is why I say 20%) … the majority of everyone else just shell out money they don’t have to buy $1,000 phones and $2,000 laptops to fix their problems.

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• naught101@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Do you think creating a Lemmy account is that much harder then creating a reddit account (or any other website account)?

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  • Fleur_@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Yes because people from reddit are constantly asking how to do it and what an instance is

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    • Auth@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      In my opinon its because there is an approval gap. When create a reddit account you open reddit > enter email and password > you’re dropped into reddit on an unverified account.

      For lemmy: you get linked to lemmy (could be any instance) then you press the sign up button and submit an application > then you wait for hours to days for that to be approved and you cant login during that period.

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  • everett@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Have you looked at the signup page for your Lemmy instance lately?

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    • naught101@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I just did. The age verification is the only thing that looks slightly confusing, and anyone keen enough would deal with that fine. It’s not a technical skills/knowledge barrier, it’s just reading comprehension.

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• volvoxvsmarla@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Me being like “what does it mean to boot from a USB 👁️👄👁️”

  Fr though, the account thing is not too far off. When I made my first account (when the Reddit thing happened, it was on lemm.ee) I absolutely didn’t understand jack shit and what I was doing. I was very ready to throw in the towel. I didn’t understand how to add communities, how to search for communities, anything. I still have problems grasping the whole server thing. (Or what a server is.)

  So a lot of times I feel excluded here, or at least like an unallowed invader, or a feral maniac just running around, throwing stuff at a wall and looking for what sticks. But that’s ok. I’m happy I’m still here and one day I might even know what a command line is.

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• JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  The average person probably couldn’t figure it out because they don’t care to. If you tell someone "Make a Lemmy account"ntheyll be confused. If you tell someone "Make an account at lemmy.world" they’ll figure it out. It’s like if you give someone a puzzle but it’s boring and they don’t care to solve it, they’re probably not gonna take the time to solve it.

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• Squizzy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  The reason I am still with .world is because I cant be arsed to figure out how to kove instance or remember hownI set it up.

  I can copy command line prompts from forums and chatgpt to my newly linted linux pc…that I dont really use because I cant figure shit out.

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• Agent641@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Where’s the meme of the wojack at the party standing in the corner saying “They don’t even know how to boot from USB”

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• mechoman444@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I disagree. The amount of stagnant backwards ignorance about what AI and llms are and how they function would suggest to me there is only a cursory level knowledge of technology on this platform.

  Like you said just enough to create a Lemmy account without assistance but not enough to understand the nuance of emerging tech.

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  • 1337@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    High school kids and university students.

    Those younger don’t have a clue, people with jobs don’t have a life, people with kids don’t have time, people who are older don’t give a damn.

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• But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I just wish I could go one single day on Lemmy without the Linux bros yelling to the heavens and going on and on about Linux. If there’s one thing that makes me avoid it, it’s the fanboys here

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  • Fleur_@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Wait you don’t use Linux?

    Are you saying you hate me specifically???

    Are you saying you support tech billionaires and think windows is good???

    What the fuck stop being racist and delete this now!!

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• Diddlydee@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I can confirm I can do the other things but can’t do some form of coding or at least navigate a directory through the command line.

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  • Fleur_@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Yeahh exactly right. Like IRL you’re a tech guy but here you’d be on the lower end of the spectrum.

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• socsa@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  "Literate" is being generous. This place is pure pop tech, and generally just regurgitates tech YouTube meta.

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  • Fleur_@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    “youtube tech meta”

    That’s going straight into the folder

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• InfiniteHench@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  So was Twitter way back in the day (I’m talking ~ 2006 when I still worked in tech news). In a similar way, I think it’s up to us canaries early adopters to help them learn.

  There was a time when no one knew how to @ someone and the pound sign was still known as the pound sign. People learned (and yes, platforms got much better and more polished). They can learn again. But we teachers need patience and kindness when helping them.

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• Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I would bet money on the average person not even being able to create a Lemmy account without assistance.

  I would, too. Because I’ve literally seen Reddit users complain that it’s too hard when it’s just as easy as signing up for Reddit outside of a few instances that make you jump through hoops to sign up.

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• GrackleBirb@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  It’s been like this in some online communities since mIRC was popular. mIRC was not user friendly and people had to know how to access it, change servers, use commands. This seemed simple to me back then but most of my friends could not be bothered.

  With Meta’s slop, TikTok, and Reddit being so easy people rarely step outside those bubbles anymore.

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  • sefra1@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    In my opinion, IRC is much easier to join than any meta slop, generally speaking you can just /connect check the /list and /join a popular room.

    Meanwhile to join meta you need to first make an email, then create an account, fill a bunch of forms (and then I always get automatically banned after acc creation without posting anything lol)

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• vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  How dare you call me literate my accent is actively fucking me over with swapping As and Os. Also I am tech literate for old broken shit, I actively hate my phone because I can barely use it. Mostly because it spits me at every instance fuck you machine spirit! I don’t want you to give me the news you are an over glorified MP3 player half the time!

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• SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Yep

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• MTK@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  ~I-feel-like-the-people-I-interact-with-irl-don’t-even-know-how-to-boot-from-a-USB.-People-here-probably-know-how-to-do-some-form-of-coding-or-at-least-navigate-a-directory-through-the-command-line.-Stg-I-would-bet-money-on-the-average-person-not-even-being-able-to-create-a-Lemmy-account-without-assistance.~

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• JTskulk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Oh no an echo chamber of people that know things or care about privacy. Do you really think I should go read 4chan or youtube comments to broaden my horizon?

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  • Fleur_@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Ahhh you’ve already succumb to the hivemind brainrot if you think people on Lemmy know things

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  • socialsecurity@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    This person ain't ready for Linux tho

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    • NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I use Arch by the way.

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• AoxoMoxoA@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I don’t understand any of that shit. Nerd

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  • madjo@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Yuck, hardcopy.

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    • AoxoMoxoA@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      At least I can read . I’m just here to add to the echo chamber my friend

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• m3t00@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  not sure how most do anything. echo? most need a button says ‘click here’. can drag a horse to water…

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