Let’s say it like it is: after the world of hundreds of developers is undermined, and the property of thousands of customers is compromised.
Mastercard and Visa face backlash after hundreds of adult games removed from online stores Steam and Itch.io
Submitted 8 months ago by themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com to technology@lemmy.world
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MithranArkanere@lemmy.world 8 months ago
BurgerBaron@piefed.social 8 months ago
Yet 1000 weirdos in Australia will have more sway, curiously.
n1ck_n4m3@lemmy.world 8 months ago
“Face backlash” = about 160,000 people signed a petition saying they disagreed with it, then went about their daily lives and totally, 100% without a doubt continued using their Visa or Mastercard credit cards.
They don’t care, there are no alternatives. They can do whatever they want.
ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Exactly. We need thousands of people calling them non stop disturbing them for hours on end, not just signing petitions.
zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
You mean like exactly what’s been happening over the past few days?
CorruptCheesecake@lemmy.world 8 months ago
[deleted]proton_lynx@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Don’t be fooled, that’s not the real reason. Parents that shove iPads in front of their children are not even remotely worried about what their kids are watching online. This is purely about control, has nothing to do with children.
lowleekun@ani.social 8 months ago
Governments and some religious nutjobs.
They only pretend to care about children. It is about power and control. Always has been, always will.
poke@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
While the pressure on the credit card companies should still work due to conversations behind closed doors, my understanding is that those companies are not actually payment processors. Payment processors are a bunch of companies/banks, some you likely haven’t heard of (one is PayPal though, feel free to make your voice heard to them), and they are taking legal responsibility for the transactions themselves, and thus actually have incentive to police transactions. Credit card companies themselves, not having those legal liabilities, would much rather people just spent their money everywhere as long as there was low risk of cards being stolen or misused.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 8 months ago
As long as it is legal CC companies should be barred from dictating what products and services their systems cover.
MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 8 months ago
“The internet has no borders. Women and girls everywhere are impacted by male violence against women and misogyny in general which we believed these games perpetuated,” she said.
Yet the fictional violence against men and boys is A-Ok!
SufferingSteve@feddit.nu 8 months ago
Wow, people start caring when they come for their porn. These duopolies should be broken up, people should adopt crypto payments.
Auli@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Which one. Is there a valid one? BTC is not has high fees slow and to volatile.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Lightning
SufferingSteve@feddit.nu 8 months ago
I would be for a state owned chain, does not have to be completely decentralized, it’s just good tech that can make the payment processors of today obselete.
Basically require each bank to run nodes, while letting the central bank of the country hold the keys to mint new coins.
I mean one could also have verifying nodes run independent.
The tech is there, doesn’t have to mean use anarchy moneys, it just means an overhaul of our ways of transferring value around.
MBech@feddit.dk 8 months ago
Nhaa fuck crypto. At least the crypto that are actually popular. Shit like bitcoin and ethereum are deflationary. And why the fuck would you spend money if there’s a good chance your money is worth more tomorrow?
themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
I believe monero has protections to prevent this. All transactions are secret.
MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 8 months ago
if we’re talking one-off transactions, this is no problem. You simply get enough crypto for your purchase and spend it. You don’t invest all of your money in it and you can circumvent the Visa/Mastercard garbage.
SufferingSteve@feddit.nu 8 months ago
So basically it could help combat our blatant consumerism as well? Seems like a win to me
melsaskca@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Bring back Chargex! Where is Diner’s Club when you need them?
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 8 months ago
I feel like a dipshit for not participating.
herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
The Mastercard/Visa monopoly (or duopoly) is bad for consumers. It should be broken up.
meliaesc@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Discover was just acquired by Capital One, so one less viable competitor too.
zzffyfajzkzhnsweqm@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
We should hope digital euro breaks this: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_euro
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
And hypothetically if it won’t get broken up because the government works for them and not for us, then we can break the monopoly ourselves.
FosterMolasses@leminal.space 8 months ago
While Collective Shout solely targeted games it said violated policies held by payment platforms, Itch.io’s move to temporarily remove all NSFW content resulted in games with LGBTQ+ themes being removed. One petition signer who is a member of the LGBTQ+ community said they were concerned that banning sexual-based games would be the start of cracking down on LGBTQ+ content.
There it is.
Eximius@lemmy.world 8 months ago
if the LGBTQ+ games were not sexual in nature (why does it not say?), then that is quite damning and I approve of this conspiracy theory.
MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I assume it doesn’t say because there are games with LGBTQ+ content that is sexual and ones where it is not.
Potatar@lemmy.world 8 months ago
How can you know a game is LGBTQ+ if they don’t talk about sex/gender? They look like normal humans to me, which differ in sexual preferences only? Example: How can you say this guy is gay without knowing his sexual preferences?
chaonaut@lemmy.4d2.org 8 months ago
It’s not all that much of a conspiracy theory as those pushing this line at the payment processoers openly advocate that since LGBTQ+ references sex by way of sexuality and gender, then that is sexual content, and is therefore inappropriate for children. This, of course, completely ignores heterosexuality and cisgender because they consider queer people existing to be harmful to children. And trying to get through to them about how important age-appropriate sexual education is in combating child abuse is an exercise in frustration.
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
politicians have literally said that the reason for censorship bills about the internet are specifically to go after lgbtq spaces.
thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 8 months ago
If you google Tankard-Reist you’ll find it’s not a conspiracy theory - she has actively tried to block queer representation at every level in every way for decades
monogram@feddit.nl 8 months ago
100’s ??? no no,no,no last I checked it was in the tens of thousands of nsfw games on itch.io
Grizzlyboy@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
When is the European alternative to these coming?
zzffyfajzkzhnsweqm@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Do you mean digital euro? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_euro
This would be the only thing that could break visa mastercard duopol. Hopefully 2028
rozodru@lemmy.world 8 months ago
shiiiit I wouldn’t count on that anymore. With the age verification and ID stuff they would honestly at this point probably make it worse.
I used to be an advocate for European alternatives for US based tech companies but now? no way, started self hosting everything. it sucks.
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
an eu alternative would be just as susceptible to hate campaigns by bigots censoring content... look at the uk (i know technically the uk isn't the eu but they're still europe)
Ibuthyr@feddit.org 8 months ago
An alternative to PayPal, called WERO is currently in it’s rollout process in Germany, Belgium and France. In October the next step will be activated, allowing payments in e-commerce. Later down the road, you’ll be able to pay in real shops. Luxembourg and Netherlands are to join in next. More and more banks start to adopt WERO.
I urge everyone to use WERO as much as you can. It’s flying a bit under the radar at the moment and this must be a success. Hopefully more EU members will join soon.
domi@lemmy.secnd.me 8 months ago
I would prefer if the EU/Swiss backed project based on GNU Taler makes it instead: www.taler.net/en/ngi-taler.html
ToadOfHypnosis@lemmy.world 8 months ago
So sick of conservatives forcing their beliefs on others. Filter your own content, use parents controls, don’t ban everything you don’t like because of your arrogant belief in made up morality. Morality is relative and religion does not give your opinions weight.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
everything you don’t like
On issues like these, conservatives will discover the magic of actual reasons. It’s only “things you don’t like” when we’re talking about banning hate speech or something.
OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yeah but Jesus definitely preached love thy neighbor, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, and also, ew gay people not in my back yard.
I’m pretty confident on two of those anyway
Opisek@lemmy.world 8 months ago
“[Elon Musk] said he wanted to get his own X payments platform «going soon»”.
Surely that’s going to solve the problem. There’s absolutely no censorship on Twitter. /s
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Didn’t he invest in Dogecoin?
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 8 months ago
When there are enough competing parties, the argument of “I live in country A and I don’t care about B’s special services reading my messages”, where A and B are in a state of adversity, starts working.
By competing parties I mean not just A and B, but a plethora of snakes in that pit.
So - do it Elon. It’s fine.
echodot@feddit.uk 8 months ago
Oh it’ll be interesting to see how he manages to make a worse payment processor than PayPal. I wouldn’t have thought it was possible.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Elon was fired as CEO of PayPal, so he already has the credentials
Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 8 months ago
What’s even the argument here? Steam already has parental control options, age gates, and content filters… if you don’t want your kids seeing that shit on steam, then, like, don’t let em?
…meanwhile, let’s just continue shoving blatant gambling down minors’ throats in the form of lootboxes.
echodot@feddit.uk 8 months ago
This group isn’t interested in protecting children they’re just interested in pushing their own beliefs on everybody else. The easiest way they can do that is to pretend that they’re interested in children. Which I’m sure some of them are, but not in the capacity that anyone wants them to be.
It’s a classic right-wing tactic. Because nobody wants to be against a law that protects children.
themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
People like them used to go after book, now games.
tequinhu@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Which I’m sure some of them are, but not in the capacity that anyone wants them to be.
I laughed, then I cried :_(
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 8 months ago
And the reason sexual things had to be filtered was that they are harmful and skew kids’ perception of healthy sexuality.
Gambling wasn’t considered healthy even where and when marrying a toddler was normal. After all, a traumatized person with unhealthy sexuality does generally understand they are traumatized, a person taught that addiction is normal - not.
Lebensmittel@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
The argument is control. Religious zealots are all about controlling society and subduing people to follow their rules (that they themselves tend to break all the time)
Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 8 months ago
That’s their goal for sure, what I mean is how are they pretending to justify it?
There’s usually some on-paper benevolent veneer to wrap their hateful bullshit up with.
For example, they hate trans people, but they don’t campaign on that out loud - they justify that hated under the guise of shit like protecting bathrooms.
But this is fucking Steam - access to that bathroom is already under lock and key behind an armed guard. They can’t just pull the “think of the children!” card when the children already have a myriad of protections.
…or maybe they can, considering what just happened. We live in stupid times.
PattyMcB@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Tired of this story. The fucking prudes need to give up and stop already. Shit
5oap10116@lemmy.world 8 months ago
FrederikNJS@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
I too am a bit speechless that two companies get to censor what all stores are allowed to sell.
echodot@feddit.uk 8 months ago
What?
ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 8 months ago
Feels like we’re going back to the 90s/00s “Christian parents against video games” moral panic era. But this time, they’re being appeased more heavily.
I despise conservatism. It destroys everything it touches.
socialsecurity@piefed.social 8 months ago
Rockstar paid for part of that as PR stunt
echodot@feddit.uk 8 months ago
Just as long as they get rid of dungeons and dragons. Everyone knows that’s the real danger in our society.
Damage@feddit.it 8 months ago
And there’s way fewer Christians nowadays
Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 8 months ago
But the ones who remain get worse and worse.
TheTurner@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
It’s another Satanic Panic.
Whirling_Ashandarei@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Good on her parents for putting Tankard in her name since you need at least one to deal with her bullshit. Bad on them for not releasing her into the world instead of into a rectum where she belongs.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 8 months ago
Let’s keep up the pressure
danc4498@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’d love to boycott them, but literally everything I do uses one of those 2.
EvilEdgelord@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Fuck Collective Shout, or anyone spreading censorship!
floo@retrolemmy.com 8 months ago
Maybe it’s just because I’m so focused on my own issues as a US citizen… But how the hell did some Australian Christofascist group get this powerful? Like, the RIAA and MPAA combined couldn’t get the United States government to make this much movement on “objectionable content” (piracy at the time, and also now, and all of the time between then and now), but even the crypto fascists of yesterday year couldn’t get this much traction. Probably because people like Frank Zappa and Fred Rogers came forth to criticize the ridiculousness and the consequences of such a position and search policies.
May 1, 1969: Fred Rogers testifies before the Senate Subcommittee on Communications
And 16 years later:
Telorand@reddthat.com 8 months ago
Somebody should check their PCs and internet history; after all, name a better duo than Conservatives and Projection.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Keep the pressure on.
Collective Shout got them to change their position and they’re a small group. We are legion, as the kids say
Korne127@lemmy.world 5 months ago
So what happened with that? Did things change in hindsight?