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Fairphone announces the €599 Fairphone 6, with a 6.31" 120Hz LTPO OLED display, a Snapdragon 7s Gen 3 chip, and enhanced modularity with 12 swappable parts

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https://shop.fairphone.com/the-fairphone-gen-6

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  • phantomwise@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    Why does The Fairphone (Gen. 6) not have an audio jack?

    After some of the criticism that we received about removing the headphone jack from Fairphone 4, we did consider bringing it back for The Fairphone (Gen. 6). However, we realized it would be at the expense of increasing the phone’s dimensions. We also looked into the consumer data and Fairphone 4’s weight and thickness were more of an issue than the lack of a minijack, so we decided to keep the same approach, although it was a difficult decision. We didn’t want to invest in OLED technology for the display and then not have improved the phone’s dimensions and weight. But just like with Fairphone 4 and Fairphone 5, we will still offer an adapter, which has had overall positive user reviews.

    “We heard the criticism but decided that no, you would still need an adapter to use headphones, plus a USB-C hub to be able to charge the damn thing while listening to music or watching videos”

    Funny how that’s the same excuses that we get for modern laptops terrible design. “We HAVE to make it thinner so there’s no space! You wouldn’t want a laptop that’s not complete shit if it meant it’d be less thin and breakable, would you?”

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    • dustyData@lemmy.world ⁨32⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Let me expand, as I usually deal with surveys and population feedback. There’s loud feedback, and there’s statistically significant feedback.

      People who want a headphone jack are very loud. They will interject this issue into every feedback opportunity given. They will mention it on the comment sections, forums, q&a sessions, answer their surveys accordingly, etc. That’s all fine and their prerogative.

      However, when you look at the statistics. They are unfortunately a very tiny minority of the entire population. They are not statistically significant for decision making. They don’t have the volume to move sales significantly. This sucks, of course, and I personally wouldn’t mind the return of headphone jacks, smaller phones and bigger batteries as a fair trade for thicker phones.

      But unfortunately, the vast majority of the market is pre-occupied with other things. The phone screen is too small, the phone weights too much, the phone is too thick, I want to bring my phone to the pool without fear of it breaking, etc. They are not as passionate about it, not like the headphone people are, but they far outnumber them in several orders of magnitude. In the end, if the product doesn’t sell, it won’t matter how much it was worth to a single passionate person. It will sink the company if it doesn’t have mass appeal. Making phones is already an extremely expensive endeavor.

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    • kopasz7@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Very strange how mine can somehow fit a 7000mAh battery, dual SIM + SD card slot and a regular jack. Hmm…

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  • philthi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Fuck these guys… Seriously. I bought a phone off of them hyped at the idea of the ethics. It didn’t work on arrival. Over 3 months later and not one single reply to my helpdesk request (other than the Automated acknowledgement of receipt).

    Unbelievably bad user experience, I went from hyped at the concept of reducing my production of electronic waste to beyond disappointed at a brutally bad user experience.

    The to make matters worse, they’ve already stopped producing spare parts for the fairphone 4 (which a friend of mine bought a while ago)… Like is that not the entire point of the phone, reduced consumption of new phones by supporting repairs. If you’re going to stop producing the spares at least release the patents then… if you really believe in the promoted ideals that you spout… Which they clearly do not.

    It turns out that it’s just another money hungry company hell bent on burning the planet down to see a line go up, as far as I’m concerned. All gaff to sell shite phones at higher prices.

    Do not buy.

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    • midtsveen@lemmy.wtf ⁨31⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      The to make matters worse, they’ve already stopped producing spare parts for the fairphone 4

      Your comment made me laugh! There’s no need to criticize the company if you’re having a bad day or don’t like it. It only takes a minute to check their website for spare parts. Most likely, it’s your local shop that’s out of stock, not Fairphone itself.

      shop.fairphone.com/shop/category/spare-parts-4?ca…

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    • Black616Angel@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨29⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      What are you talking about? I exchanged multiple mails per day when I had a problem.

      Also as others have mentioned, the parts are still available on their website.

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      • philthi@lemmy.world ⁨39⁩ ⁨seconds⁩ ago

        In terms of fp4 replacement parts, I am only quoting a friend of mine, I haven’t personally looked into that; though I was ready to believe it after my experience.

        In terms of your good customer service experience… I mean, good? I’m glad your experience was better than mine? Mine has been the worst customer experience I’ve ever had with a company and I genuinely went in to this with a high opinion of them.

        I don’t know what more to add here, we had different experiences, I’m sharing mine… You’re sharing yours? Different things are different to each other…

        Your experience being different to mine doesn’t prove my experience never happened.

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    • sherlockhomeless@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      What do you mean with stopped producing spare parts for FP4? They are still widely available

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      • philthi@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        In terms of fp4 replacement parts, I am only quoting a friend of mine, I haven’t personally looked into that; though I was ready to believe it after my experience.

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    • faerbit@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      The to make matters worse, they’ve already stopped producing spare parts for the fairphone 4 What’s this then?

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      • philthi@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        In terms of fp4 replacement parts, I am only quoting a friend of mine, I haven’t personally looked into that; though I was ready to believe it after my experience.

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      • thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        Hmmm that looks like parts listings for the Fairphone 4 to me, why do you ask ?

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    • kopasz7@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      All I needed to know was when they released their BT earbuds just when the jack port got removed to figure out where their priorities are.

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      • xeekei@lemmy.zip ⁨55⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        Of course they’re gonna offer BT earbuds if there’s no audio jack? Or did you want them included or something? A lot of people here are way angrier than justified.

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      • pineapplelover@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        Yep same here. Also they’re not capable of installing grapheneos which is kind of a deal breaker for me.

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  • Panties@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    No earphone jack again. That’s a bit sad. Even though I mainly use BLT earbuds, I still sometimes wish I could use my wired headphones. It’s just a small inconvenience

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    • Goodeye8@piefed.social ⁨13⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Honestly, I don't really get the people who complain about the lack of 3.5mm jack on a smartphone. If you're looking for quality you're more likely to get better quality out quality USB-C headphones than quality 3.5mm headphones due to the USB-C headphones picking up less noise and having its own DAC (which is probably better than the phone DAC that 3.5mm would use).

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    • Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Not having a headphone jack is just a slap in the face from a company whose whole image is supposed to be longevity.

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    • Laser@feddit.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I had a phone without before, that one came with a simple cheap passive adapter for USB-C to 3.5mm headset. You lose out on using headphones while charging, but other than that I was never really inconvenienced…

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      • stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I disagree about this being a good solution. USB-C is not meant to take the strain of being used as an audio port when being used in the go so there is risk of damaging the port while a headphone jack is more stable and allows the plug to rotate. Plus I don’t want to have a dingle I can forget when in a rush.

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      • masterspace@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You also have to remember to have that adapter with you

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      • HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You can find adapters that can charge while still having a 3.5mm back

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      • tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I have a tablet that came with a C to 3.5 adapter and it worked well enough for a bit but soon enough it was only intermittently allowing the headphone connection to work, with a message about the port being dirty or something. Yet I could go right from unplugging that and putting the charger in and it worked fine.

        There’s just no substitute for a dedicated port, especially when it barely takes up any room

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      • Panties@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It’s really a small inconvenience, but using an adapter would mean I’d be prone to misplace it when I use my headphones on anything else, so it hardly makes anything better

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    • Mandrilleren@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I never use wired headphones even though I have a jack in my phone. But I have never bought a phone without a jack and probably never will.

      Ipersonally think it’s user hostile to remove the jack and also goes directly agains the green profile Fairphone wants to have.

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    • ggwithgg@feddit.nl ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You have these usb-c to mini jack adapters. They are like 5 to 10eu. They are small enough to keep them attached to your jack headphone. It works perfectly for me.

      I think it is better to view the usb-c plug as ‘one protocol to rule them all’. If you do so, it makes quite some sense.

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      • brotundspiele@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Every adapter I had was broken after a year or less. I imagine if you keep them attached to your phone, they’ll break even faster. Do these adapters exist with a 90° angle which might help preventing broken cables?

        Not really in the spirit of reducing waste.

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      • ChairmanMeow@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I’ve never had one of those actually work…

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    • Kowowow@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      “Modularity” but still no headphone jack, couldn’t I just have a backplate with a big bump on it to accommodate a 3.5mm jack?

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      • foggenbooty@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        Big? The headphone jack is not large enough to protrude from a cell phone chassis. Any company telling you they can’t fit it is just lying to sell you BT headphones.

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    • Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      For the amount of space a earphone jack takes it really doesn't make sense for them to include it, when you can just use a cheap adaptor cable

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    • lobut@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I was just hoping a phone like fairphone would give me the option to buy a small module or something to let me do it.

      Yes, yes there’s adapters … yes, yes, you don’t need to use it … I understand. I just want it.

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  • Jagget@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    main camera, AI-powered low-light magic

    Can I turn it off? Can I? I just want my photos, the real ones, however bad they are. I don’t want them to be half generated.

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    • Railcar8095@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Just to be clear, unless you’re shooting RAW you never have your “real” photos. Every phone/camera performs massive amounts of post processing, including using ml models.

      AI is only a buzzword for something that has been the norm for a while.

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      • ElectroLisa@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I want my photos to be grainy, with natural lens distortion, instead of current trend of pictures being shouty to look good on social media

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    • Bogasse@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Is there any chance this is the same HDR technology that has been around for at least 10 years, but using latest marketing buzzwords?

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      • Bogasse@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Also, working a bit on developing my photos from RAW over last years taught me how we actually expect a lot of magic from a regular camera. The brain does a lot of work and low/high light compensation, color balance, etc… are required to some extend. Of course sometimes it becomes a bit absurd : most smartphone pictures seems oversaturated, with clear blue skies and I one took a photo of a blue-ish mountain because (I think) some classifier thought it was part of the sky.

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    • floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah, it’s most likely just doing some “AI” (ML) denoising. Nothing to do with GenAI

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  • ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    Waiting for swappable OS. No need for android

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    • Stzyxh@feddit.org ⁨56⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      there is a e/os version avaiable

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      • midtsveen@lemmy.wtf ⁨36⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        e/os is still android, i think he means Linux, and other OSes ! ❤️

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  • Redex68@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Interesting that they seem to be using a consumer grade Snapdragon chip this time, typically they used weird chips ment for industry applications if I’m not mistaken. Wonder what sparked the change, did Qualcomm start supporting their chips for longer?

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    • tinsuke@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Probably yes.

      And probably due to EU mandating new phones to be supported for longer.

      …ec.europa.eu/…/smartphones-and-tablets_en

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  • srasmus@slrpnk.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Did some digging, but it doesn’t appear the band compatibility with US carriers is improved at all. Am I wrong here?

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    • logi@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Would that be a problem when travelling to the… oh, right, we’re not doing that anymore… would this be a problem for Europeans travelling to Canada?

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    • N0MAD@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      From their own site it would seem they don’t. There is a “US” version but you can’t buy a Fairphone from the website directly.

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      • Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        Rofl if they dump them on ebay as new from a third party US shipper.

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    • Adulated_Aspersion@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      m.gsmarena.com/fairphone_6-13955.php

      There is some band overlap, but I am no expert.

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  • anzo@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    There’s a deGoogled version too!!

    I would prefer GrapheneOS (If I can live with the irony of getting a Pixel phone just to deGoogle it…). Sandboxing there is way better. But you lose the Repairability… Gotta check and compare the new EU metrics too.

    They are just two different devices.

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    • sic_semper_tyrannis@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I bet PostmarketOS will release for it

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    • Mora@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I not only want a degoogled version but also a secure one. Sadly developing a secure android is rather hard. The Graphene team does it pretty well. Others try it too, but sadly they are not close.

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    • ElectroLisa@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Degoogled version is €50 more, for whatever reason

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      • anzo@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        the reason: support for developers. You can install it yourself to save that amount.

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      • pinesolcario@lemy.lol ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        People don’t want to pay for privacy. That’s the real problem with end users. Imagine if more people did so. What a world we could have. Nah. Let’s be cheap AF!

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  • blunderworld@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Its too bad they dont ship to Canada. I’m in the market for a new phone and would seriously consider this.

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    • IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The state of mobile phone market in Canada is so frustrating. Not only is our market dominated by 3 players who refuse to actually compete with each other, but we miss out on half the cool phones that the rest of the world gets too.

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    • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Clove Technology resells to outside the EU

      But also consider potential carrier compatibility issues with importing

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      • 5PACEBAR@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Thanks for the tip!

        I had a look at the bands and it is indeed compatible in Canada! 🎉

        Source: GSMArena + Fido support

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    • mesamunefire@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Same US. EU gets the best stuff.

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  • tonur@feddit.dk ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I posted this elsewhere but the tech specs for the Fairphone 6 say the following:

    USB-C 2.0 (OTG capable) can be used to connect USB Sticks/SD-Cards/Audio Amplifier/Network-adapters directly

    I was really looking forward to use this with a pair of display glasses, like the XREAL One Pro, but this seems like the Fairphone 6 might not support display output? That’s sad. Especially since the Fairphone 5 had this in their tech specs:

    USB-C 3.0 (OTG capable) can be used to connect USB Sticks/SD-Cards/display (also Android™ desktop mode)/Camera/Audio Amplifier/Network-adapters directly

    But maybe it was not used enough?

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  • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    3.5mm Jack or - sadly - GTFO

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    • Zacryon@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They have adapters. But yeah, would be nice to have a slot directly integrated.

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  • raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Fairphone has really gone off the deep end. 6 phone models in what? less than 12 years? That’s what they call dedication to sustainability? Really? They used to say the most sustainable phone is your old phone, assuming you can continue to use it. Yet - my Fairphone 1, still in good working order hardware-wise, I had to “scrap” because no more SW updates. When my FP2 hardware (charging port) eventually failed, they no longer sold the relevant spare parts.

    What good are exchangeable parts, if they are removed from the shop around the time that a well-treated phone might need them?

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  • RejZoR@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Snapdragon 7s Gen3 is a pretty decent chipset. Decent display too. 8GB RAM is a bit on the low side. Camera is all about how good processing is. It’s not that crazy expensive if all works well and considering what their goal is.

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  • Shardikprime@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    600 euros? That’s like 700 USD

    Remind me again, wasn’t like 80q of the American population on the verge of poverty and homelessness if a 500 USD emergency happened?

    Who’s benefiting from this?

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    • pmk@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Ethically sourced, fair wages to workers, etc. Makes you wonder what a factory worker in china makes to allow for cheaper phones.

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  • Smokeless7048@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I know people complain about big phones, but as a 6’5" guy i LOVE my big screens, and i think i’d struggle with a 6.3" screen. I have a 22U i plan to use for another year or two, and would go larger if i could.

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  • orclev@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This is nice for Europe I guess, and I want to like the fairphone, but unfortunately it’s not viable for me.

    Besides basic phone features and the ability to run Android apps I have 3 requirements, 2 of which the fairphone fails at. I need it to be usable in the US on my phone carrier. I need to be able to use Google Pay or another mobile payment alternative (that’s accepted in most stores). Finally it needs to have at least a 48 hour battery life.

    Fairphone unfortunately doesn’t work in the US with most carriers, and the one that kills not only it but all the de-googled phones, it doesn’t support mobile payment of any kind. I’ve done a ton of research trying to find some kind of fix for that second point because I’d gladly use something like GrapheneOS if I could, but every time the answer I come to is it’s just not possible.

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  • cosmicrookie@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    My 3 greatest wishes are:

    Replaceable battery

    Replaceable usb charging port

    120 watt cahrging

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  • absquatulate@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Is it me or did they get slightly more vague on their marketing materials, wrt the environmental impact ( at least compared to fp5 ) ?

    Also the battery seems a bit harder to replace, as you now need a screwdriver. It does appear to be more flush, so it may be due to size constraints.

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  • yournamehere@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    no jack, no deal

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  • pulsewidth@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’d love one and have checked back each year after their first model, but they still don’t sell to Australia - and I’m not going to buy something I can’t get direct parts and services for, and would need to go through third parties for.

    If their model is a successful business I honestly thought they would have expanded beyond shipping/supporting only Europe by now, its been a decade since their first model. Maybe they’re still not a very big player / modest success?

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  • mormund@feddit.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    If I didn’t miss it, no wireless charging again… Some one told me they refuse to do it because it wastes electricity. To which I’d say, even just turning on a car probably uses magnitudes more energy than charging my phone wirelessly. I don’t want to mess up the USB C port if I don’t have to, thanks.

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  • Mrkawfee@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Can anyone recommend this? Is the camera any good?

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  • frank@sopuli.xyz ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’m sad that the battery swap requires a screwdriver, but it’s really fine. As long as it’s not glued in I don’t care honestly.

    The modular back is cool, specs look nice, lighter and smaller than my FP5 is a great thing, cuz this thing is heavy and the battery is mid.

    It looks cool! Good direction I think. Of course I want a headphone jack, but I am learning to live without

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  • HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Looks like they hit the nail strong and sharp on this one. I am still using my 2019 Nokia which does not look like it’s going bust anytime soon. Too bad, I would have loved to use the FF6

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  • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This looks pretty good. The main issue with Fairphone for me is the price. FP 5 is still about 2x as expensive as Pixel 8. I got my Pixel 8a on promotion for ~250 euros. FP 5 still costs over 500. I never paid more than 300 euros for a phone and I’m not planning to.

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  • Laser@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Think I’m getting it, my Redmi Note 8 is aging and I’m pretty sure the current batch of custom ROMs is basically the last apart from the fact that the kernel is no longer supported, and Xiaomi is closing the doors on custom ROMs more and more it seems. Yeah, the new FP isn’t perfect but it seems good enough to pull the trigger, and while the Pixels seemed like a good alternative in some aspects, Google recently made it very clear where they see Android’s future, and it’s not more open.

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