love fairphone but i cant go bacl from graphene os. its so nice not having google attacjed to everything.
Fairphone announces the €599 Fairphone 6, with a 6.31" 120Hz LTPO OLED display, a Snapdragon 7s Gen 3 chip, and enhanced modularity with 12 swappable parts
Submitted 9 months ago by Pro@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.world
https://shop.fairphone.com/the-fairphone-gen-6
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bonus_crab@lemmy.world 9 months ago
localhost443@discuss.tchncs.de 9 months ago
I wish I could ditch stock android but my business bank app refuses to run on e/os and I assume I’d have the same problem with graphene.
e/os was otherwise soo much better, and the increase in performance and battery life was huge.
Undearius@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
I assume I’d have the same problem with graphene.
There’s a list of bank apps that work in Grapheme. You can check for yours here
yistdaj@pawb.social 9 months ago
If you want something not Google, I used to have Ubuntu Touch on a Fairphone before Australia’s 3G network was switched off. It would have to be an older Fairphone however.
Ambersand@lemmy.world 9 months ago
One plus did the same thing. Now they’re no different then all the expensive brands out there.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
OTG compatible is a rare feature, I have an endoscope camera that uses OTG, but not a compatible phone.
Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Can we get it for 100 bucks max?
They are aware that people can’t afford to waste money on luxuries, no?
retro@infosec.pub 9 months ago
Maybe you could start a competitor that produces a similar spec phone for $100?
Jtotheb@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Obviously not, the poor spec choices led to the price. Perhaps the company claiming to focus on ethics could focus on ethics instead of bezel-less design and 120 Hz screens, thus bringing it in at a lower price point. Feel free to critique me now
smokinliver@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
And with the same ethics standards
potentiallynotfelix@lemmy.fish 9 months ago
a few things i like:
- moments is an interesting concept
- it says you can toggle off gemini ai. this is good
- display goes from 10-120hz for battery
- ultrawide selfie camera
- microsd card slot!
- power button fingerprint scanner, way better than underscreen
AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
I bought an oled phone for 200€ a few years back. What I’d really want is that every smartphone sold in the EU is open, with open drivers and OS with root access if you want to. And some investments by the EU to support open smartphone OS.
What a shithole civilization.
bvoigtlaender@feddit.org 9 months ago
Was really hoping to see a Fairphone 6a. Similar to the Google Pixel Series. Just a cheap version of it. I really don’t need 120Hz, OLED or “No Bezels” all i want is big battery and a headphone jack that is all.
potentiallynotfelix@lemmy.fish 9 months ago
tbh 600$ is a series pricing.
Quibblekrust@thelemmy.club 9 months ago
Redex68@lemmy.world 9 months ago
A time of flight sensor for autofocus
carrylex@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Compared to the Fairphone 5 it has some improvements but also a few downsides: gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=13955&idPhone2…
My pros and cons: Pro:
- It’s a bit smaller (~4mm) and lighter (~20g)
- Slightly better camera (future tests will tell how much better)
- 120 Hz display
- More RAM and storage (although I feel that the previous 6GB/128GB option was also sufficient for most users)
- WiFi 6E Tri-Band (however you will likely never need this speed)
- Bluetooth 5.4
- Slightly larger battery
Con:
- Backpanel now requires a screwdriver
- Display has less resolution/PPI
- Performance of processor will likely be nearly identical to predecessor (however it’s more efficient and modern)
- Downgrade to USB 2
- 600€
My conclusion: Overall the improvements are ok, however just releasing the Fairphone 5 with a newer SoC might have been the better/more cost effective choice. Sacrificing display resolution for 120 Hz feels also quite wrong. 600€ is very pricy for a phone like this. Cutting some premium features away like the 120 Hz display or a bit of RAM and storage (that you can extend anyway with an SD card) might have saved enough to get the launch price down to somewhere near 500€ which would make it accessible for a wider audience.
carrylex@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I also found out a few other things that have changed:
- They now use Torx T5 screws
- The backcover and battery are now fixed with these screws
- The battery uses a dedicated connector
- Parts of the backcover now require a pick
- SIM/SD now sit at the bottom in a dedicated slot and don’t require the removal of the backcover.
- The volume buttons got replaced by the “moments” button and are now on the left
IMHO this is kind of a downgrade in repairability as you now need custom tools (not everyone has a T5 screwdriver at home). Moving the volume buttons to the other side is also kind of weird and unexpected as most (non Apple) phones have them on the right…
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 months ago
Downgrade to USB 2
What the fuck?
JigglySackles@lemmy.world 9 months ago
USB 2? What a stupid choice that appears to be. Did they have any reasoning behind that?
Quadhammer@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Use for all your old usb 2 ables lol
carrylex@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Why does The Fairphone (Gen. 6) use USB-2?
In order to make the device more affordable, we explored how we could best balance our spec choices with the least possible impact on user experience. Going from USB-3 to USB-2 was one of them.
localhost443@discuss.tchncs.de 9 months ago
The transfer speed over USB on mine probably doesn’t even pass USB 2 speeds anyway and I’ve had flagship phones in the past that were even slower over a cable. I guess it that’s still the case then there’s probably a good engineering argument to reduce complexity.
kungen@feddit.nu 9 months ago
The extra RAM and storage probably increased the price much more than the screen upgrade.
localhost443@discuss.tchncs.de 9 months ago
If the 10hz reading implementation is good I may consider upgrading my fp4. A better camera would be nice too but if they get the power saving if that screen right then I’m interested…
Otherwise my fp4 has everything thing I need a phone to be
Redex68@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Regarding resolution, I’ve been using my S21 Ultra at FHD quality (2400x1080) since I got it and it has a significantly large screen. I don’t see a point in higher resolutions but I definitely appreciate higher refresh rates. Makes it feel smoother and more responsive.
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Honestly, this might be the first fairphone which I would classify as good enough for daily use.
blinfabian@feddit.nl 9 months ago
650€ is way too expensive for an unknown phone brand with an unknown OS installed on it smh. i’d love to buy one but considering you can get a samsung for less than 500€
KumaSudosa@feddit.dk 9 months ago
You know the price is naturally higher when materials are ethically sourced, right? That’s kinda how it works…
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 9 months ago
What are you talking about this phone is established, this is their 6th one… and the bootloader is unlocked.
MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 months ago
Fairphone has lost all its good will with me at this point. They still aren’t making their products available in the U.S., and Murena is a borderline scam company and I am genuinely shocked Fairphone works with them.
I would sooner recommend feature phones from Sunbeam as it also has user-replaceable batteries and you can send it in for repairs. Or just any phone used.
a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
I’ve had to swap a lot more cabled headphones out due to cable damage than bluetooth headphones, but i also only use overear headphones, which have enough battery storage for days. Also, there are also overear headsets that are dual-useable with headphone jack or bluetooth (no noise cancelling with jack tho). Also, the issue with the replacement of headphones lies with the producers of headphones w/o changeable power source, not with the phone.
And regarding availability in the US: i have the suspicion that the average european will be much more inclined to pay the 2-300$ upmark in price just for greener tech than the average american. i’m sure that they would love to sell more phones, but it’s not ecological or economical to ship them onto a continent where 80-90% of people would either compare specs only and cannot afford to go for a more sustainable phone or - a predominantly USA thing - who revel in the fact that their choice is not ecological.
EddoWagt@feddit.nl 9 months ago
What about headphones with a replaceable cable? Higher quality cables usually last longer aswell
drmoose@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Worth noting buying a second hand phone is still better in every aspect and sadly 2nd hand Samsung from 3 years ago is still better and cheaper. Though Fairphone is getting closer with each release!
No1@aussie.zone 9 months ago
You will need to budget for a new battery on a 3 year old Sammy lol
gamer@lemm.ee 9 months ago
2nd hand Samsung from 3 years ago is still better and cheaper.
Cheaper? Yes. Better? Hell no, unless you can root it and install a custom ROM.
drmoose@lemmy.world 9 months ago
You can - Samsung phones are really well supported for that.
1234@lemmy.world 9 months ago
It is an android, which is moving towards an ai for everything trajectory which might be a privacy nightmare, I wonder if the next step of the fairphone journey is to break from android
swagmoney@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
headphone jackn’t :(
pokexpert30@jlai.lu 9 months ago
This this this.
They want to sell their buds and headset.
don’t misunderstand me, those are great repairable bluetooth devices, but if i were to not have a headphone jack and just a “long lasting repairable phone” , i’m sticking to my Google pixel.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 9 months ago
Just get a cheap usb c -> 3.5mm adapter. Problem solved.
localhost443@discuss.tchncs.de 9 months ago
I doubt it’s some conspiracy, but it does still suck. I’m on my 3rd USB port on my fp4 because I use wired earphones. Replaceable USB port was my initial reason for buying a fair phone otherwise I’d likely be buying a new phone every year.
USB C is not up to that kind of use, and BT ear buds suck…
nihilomaster@lemmy.world 9 months ago
They want to sell their buds and headset.
Not sure if it still is that way, but when i bought my FP4 years ago, free buds were included.
dudesss@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
How well do these connect to Canadian cell phone towers?
kent_eh@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
It appears to have support for the 4G and 5G bands that Rogers, Bell and Telus use
But the last time I was looking at Fairphine, they didn’t sell to Canada directly.
Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
They don’t. You have to get them from a place that imports like PDA Plaza out of Quebec (I’ve used them before).
To me, that’s a dealbreaker, because you lose the benefit of getting replacement parts easily.
icelimit@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
I’d jump immediately if it had a stylus.
rfr_Foglia@feddit.it 9 months ago
Fairphone is probably going to be my new phone when I upgrade.
MITM0@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Ok but what about a headphone jack ?
Deathray5@lemmynsfw.com 9 months ago
Yeah I find a fairphone 3 to be powerful enough so I might just keep repairing it.
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 9 months ago
Doesn’t seem to have one.
But to be honest, most headphone jacks on these slim phones suck and even a cheap USB-c to audio jack dongle is better than the average phone headphone jack.
The devices from Fiio show that it is still possibile to create a good quality Android device with a good headphone jack, but we might need thicker phones. I just use dongles or audio players
Routhinator@startrek.website 9 months ago
I respect your opinion, but I lived through 90s computing and think dongles died the death they deserve and these phone manufacturers can go to hell for bringing them back or thinking that bluetooth audio is good enough.
Additionally most of the droids I have bought that have a jack are the perfect thickness in my mind. Weighted enough to stay in my hand and take a couple dozen drops without accident. Plus the headphone jack is used as an antenna and provides radio capabilities so I can listen to local news instead of whatever the tech industry wants to feed me. Which is a nice option.
localhost443@discuss.tchncs.de 9 months ago
A thicker phone would be great. All these manufacturers forgot at some point we actually need to hold these things with a human hand
fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 9 months ago
FP would be a good choice for Graphene.
kepix@lemmy.world 9 months ago
many rom developers stated before, that fairphones have a pisspoor security
nixigaj@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Problem is, it is not IP68 rated, which is a dealbreaker for someone with an active lifestyle; especially since I sometimes manage to get water even into my IP68 phones. It would be good if they made a Pro model or just made the regular model more expensive since I will gladly pay for privacy and quality on a device that is on me at all times.
bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
There are those waterproof bag things. I wouldn’t trust the IP rating on a phone.
fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 9 months ago
It’s not? Uhhhhhg
KryptonNerd@slrpnk.net 9 months ago
Unfortunately Graphene have said they will only use pixels (or potentially their own phone in the future) because no other phones have the Titan M2 security chip.
It’s a shame though, because I’d love to have Graphene on it.
fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 9 months ago
Yea but with the recent news (see his Mastodon) he’s looking for other vendors.
gmtom@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I just want them to make a true flagship phone. I personally wouldn’t mind paying extra for a more ethical phone, if it had all the bells and whistles and wasn’t half obsolete straight out of the box.
__dev@lemmy.world 9 months ago
A big problem they have is that they have to rely on Qualcomm for security updates, and the flagship chips simply don’t get 8+ years of support. Fairphone uses Qualcomms IOT chips, which come with much longer support.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Qualcomm will have to change that, what with the EU now mandating a minimum of 5 years of updates after the phone is no longer sold.
So if Qualcomm expects their SoCs to be on the market for 2-4 years, like they do right now, they will have no choice but to provide updates for 7-9 years.
I wouldn’t be surprised if, given this development, Fair phone turn to the more conventional chips other OEMs use.
febra@lemmy.world 9 months ago
What features would that include that the phone doesn’t already have? I’m currently an iPhone user, but I’m looking to move to a more open source alternative.
kepix@lemmy.world 9 months ago
better cpu, 2 sim slots, a programmable button cause this dumbass launcher switch is a joke, at least 5000mah battery, at least a sceen mount fingerprint reader or even a working face recognition like in pixel phones.
a 2 year old motorola phone has all of these for some reason, for only 300 bucks. i can pay 40 bucks for a battery change every 4 years, thats still a better deal to be honest.
twei@discuss.tchncs.de 9 months ago
Wireless charging
rfr_Foglia@feddit.it 9 months ago
Better SOC and cameras. If it has to last 5+ years these have to be very good on release date.
reddig33@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Doesn’t this thing just run android and Google App Store? What a waste of decent hardware.
arch@feddit.nl 9 months ago
You can purchase the /e/os version. But it is more expensive
reddig33@lemmy.world 9 months ago
E/os is just android.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki//e/_(operating_system)
I do see that Ubuntu touch is an option though.
It’s shameful that most phones run one of two operating systems. There’s not enough competition. I’m still pissed about WebOS and Windows Phone being abandoned. I am hopeful though that web-based apps might make it possible for another OS to enter the market successfully at some point.
FG_3479@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I love the idea but the price is too high for the chip given that this is designed to be a lengevity phone. A chip like the 7s Gen 3 would make the phone sluggish after a couple of years with how unoptimised todays apps are.
The Gorilla Glass 7i and IP55 water resistance are also concerning given that budget Samsung, Xiaomi, etc phones beat this.
However having components of the phone being easily replacable is a great thing.
KeenFlame@feddit.nu 9 months ago
Yeah wow, the problem with the phone that tries to compete with unethical big business is that unethical big entity is cheaper. Who would have thought
FG_3479@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Because a weak CPU, weak water resistance, and weak glass don’t make for a long-lasting, sustainable phone.
I like the fact that the parts are easy to replace, but the big manufacturers beat them in other aspects of longevity.
KryptonNerd@slrpnk.net 9 months ago
I think it’s important to remember that the price is higher because they pay their factory workers a living wage and use a combination of recycled and fair materials.
It looks expensive because other phones are cheap, and other phones are cheap because they are exploiting people to make them.
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 9 months ago
Are you aware why it is called “Fair Phone”?
Maybe look into that, before complaining about the price, it makes you look stupid.
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 9 months ago
Why “removed by mod”? It does make them look stupid. statement of fact.
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
meow
jibjib14@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
I wish we could get this in Canada
squirrelwithnut@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I would totally buy one of these if they were you in the US. Sadly, last time I checked the newest phone wasn’t sold here. So I doubt this one will be.
Wolf@lemmy.today 9 months ago
bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Thank you, this is huge!
I was very, sad to miss out on the entire Fairphone 5 generation, but I gave up and bought a Pixel 8 when they announced the 5 wont be coming any time soon.
Finally I can get a phone that’s worth buying
MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 months ago
I would not recommend Murena for U.S. customers. I attempted buying one from them, and they put $6000 in charges to my credit card. Customer service was terrible and tried to blame me. Had to get my bank involved.
Manalith@midwest.social 9 months ago
I just want them to be smaller.
FG_3479@lemmy.world 9 months ago
It’s 6.3" because of the lack of top/bottom bezels. The phone itself is not much bigger than a Galaxy S7.
Occhioverde@feddit.it 9 months ago
I really respect Fairphone and I’m a happy owner of the Fairphone 5, but I find a bit puzzling for a company that suggests its customer should keep their phone for more than the 2.5 years average to release a new model just 2 years after the previous one.
Just my two cents, but they shoul’ve focused on developing either a tablet or a smartwatch to fill a gap in other markets before announcing yet another smartphone.
Joeffect@lemmy.world 9 months ago
If they are all about swappable parts, and being able to upgrade your phone how you want … Shouldn’t this just be a module upgrade… Of the main part? Maybe I don’t understand it … At the very least the old parts should work with the new system right? Unless something major has changed.
kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 months ago
I dont understand Fairphone, flashy hardware with poor software security and awful sustainability (they stop selling parts quickly).
altphoto@lemmy.today 9 months ago
Good, I only want to pay for the parts that don’t send my data to Google and their partners.
thomas_h_bombadil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
No headphone jack means I won’t even consider it, very sad to see it’s still the case.