dang, I just bought FP5.
Fairphone announces the €599 Fairphone 6, with a 6.31" 120Hz LTPO OLED display, a Snapdragon 7s Gen 3 chip, and enhanced modularity with 12 swappable parts
Submitted 11 months ago by Pro@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.world
https://shop.fairphone.com/the-fairphone-gen-6
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sasquash@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
Asetru@feddit.org 11 months ago
It’s not a single bit worse than before the announcement.
Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 11 months ago
thanks for your sacrifice
ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Waiting for swappable OS. No need for android
Stzyxh@feddit.org 11 months ago
there is a e/os version avaiable
midtsveen@lemmy.wtf 11 months ago
e/os is still android, i think he means Linux, and other OSes ! ❤️
phantomwise@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
Why does The Fairphone (Gen. 6) not have an audio jack?
After some of the criticism that we received about removing the headphone jack from Fairphone 4, we did consider bringing it back for The Fairphone (Gen. 6). However, we realized it would be at the expense of increasing the phone’s dimensions. We also looked into the consumer data and Fairphone 4’s weight and thickness were more of an issue than the lack of a minijack, so we decided to keep the same approach, although it was a difficult decision. We didn’t want to invest in OLED technology for the display and then not have improved the phone’s dimensions and weight. But just like with Fairphone 4 and Fairphone 5, we will still offer an adapter, which has had overall positive user reviews.
“We heard the criticism but decided that no, you would still need an adapter to use headphones, plus a USB-C hub to be able to charge the damn thing while listening to music or watching videos”
Funny how that’s the same excuses that we get for modern laptops terrible design. “We HAVE to make it thinner so there’s no space! You wouldn’t want a laptop that’s not complete shit if it meant it’d be less thin and breakable, would you?”
Dogyote@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
Okay, I’m going to ask… why don’t you use wireless?
potustheplant@feddit.nl 10 months ago
Let me give you simple example. When I take a flight, I like to watch my own media. Those flights sometimes are upwards of 10 hours. If I use wireless earbuds, both the earbuds and my phone will run out of battery and I have to charge them separately. However, since I have a phone with a headphone jack, my earbuds never run out of battery, I can charge my phone while I’m using them and I don’t need to use a single adapter.
Oh yeah, and the audio quality is also better.
Severalkittens@lemmy.world 10 months ago
It’s about options. You can still use Bluetooth even with a phone that has a 3.5mm jack. I also run live sound and have used the ability to plug my phone directly into the board for background music multiple times.
Kannushi_Link@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Latency issue, in some use cases it’s not acceptable to have 0.1~0.3 sec lag, like racing games or rhythm games.
(Yeah, I know there are some wireless protocols to make latency shorter, but it might cost a lot to buy a supported headphone, and it’s still useless if the phone doesn’t have proper protocol supports.)
phantomwise@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
- They are expensive. You can get wired earphones for 2 euros that actually work and are reasonably durable. It’s not a great loss if they fall in a puddle or if I step on them.
- They are a lot more failure prone. Half of those I tried didn’t work or only half worked, and those that did work didn’t last very long.
- They have shitty range. I can use a 10 meters extension cord with wired earphones if I want to.
- They require charging. And it’s a law of physics that everything that requires charging always run out at the most inconvenient time.
- Also THEY ALWAYS GET LOST. Wireless earphones, mouse, controllers… it doesn’t matter, if it’s not attached with a cable they’ll just disappear.
Allero@lemmy.today 11 months ago
1.Wired headphones deliver better audio quality 2.Wired headphones are harder to lose 3.Wired headphones don’t need batteries, so: a)less e-waste b)no need to check if they are charged 4.Wired headphones are more secure, connection cannot be intercepted and phishing attacks with BT are not possible 5.While wired headphones are plugged, no one can take your phone without you noticing
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
wireless headphones run out of battery, and most seem to have atrocious build quality and battery life.
dustyData@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Let me expand, as I usually deal with surveys and population feedback. There’s loud feedback, and there’s statistically significant feedback.
People who want a headphone jack are very loud. They will interject this issue into every feedback opportunity given. They will mention it on the comment sections, forums, q&a sessions, answer their surveys accordingly, etc. That’s all fine and their prerogative.
However, when you look at the statistics. They are unfortunately a very tiny minority of the entire population. They are not statistically significant for decision making. They don’t have the volume to move sales significantly. This sucks, of course, and I personally wouldn’t mind the return of headphone jacks, smaller phones and bigger batteries as a fair trade for thicker phones.
But unfortunately, the vast majority of the market is pre-occupied with other things. The phone screen is too small, the phone weights too much, the phone is too thick, I want to bring my phone to the pool without fear of it breaking, etc. They are not as passionate about it, not like the headphone people are, but they far outnumber them in several orders of magnitude. In the end, if the product doesn’t sell, it won’t matter how much it was worth to a single passionate person. It will sink the company if it doesn’t have mass appeal. Making phones is already an extremely expensive endeavor.
potustheplant@feddit.nl 10 months ago
You know why there aren’t more users complaining about this? Because they flat out did not buy the device for that reason (e.g. me). Removing the jack is also extremely hyprocritical coming from a “sustainable” company.
phantomwise@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
What statistics? People buying thin phones over thicker phones doesn’t mean much when that’s almost all that’s being sold nowadays and every phone is trying to be as thin as possible. It seemed to me that 90% of what we’re told people want is actually just what companies want to push on us because it’s cheaper and more profitable.
All the people I know who are average users couldn’t care less about how thin the phone is, two mm more or less doesn’t make any difference. They care about screen size and being able to use it without too much hassle. If they get a phone without an audio jack half of them will just assume that they can’t plug earphones at all. And they are not the ones who will complain. But then, Fairphone isn’t marketed towards average users, so maybe their users have different priorities? Idk
FG_3479@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You can get good Bluetooth earbuds for under $50 and a USB-C to AUX dongle for under $15.
The average person is fine with Bluetooth earbuds or an adapter, and audiophiles would not find the inbuilt DAC/amp on a phone to be adequate.
xvapx@lemmy.world 11 months ago
People who want a headphone jack […] are unfortunately a very tiny minority of the entire population.
People interested in paying more for fair trade materials and repairable phones are also a very tiny minority of the entire population.
Of course I don’t have any statistic, but I would guess that the proportion of people wanting a Jack is significantly higher in the group of people interested in buying Fairphone tht on the general population.In my particular case, I’m still using my Fairphone 3, and I’m not buying a Fairphone again unless it has a Jack.
kopasz7@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Very strange how mine can somehow fit a 7000mAh battery, dual SIM + SD card slot and a regular jack. Hmm…
sexy_peach@feddit.org 11 months ago
Is it repairable only with a screwdriver and parts you can buy from the manufacturer?
Smokeless7048@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I know people complain about big phones, but as a 6’5" guy i LOVE my big screens, and i think i’d struggle with a 6.3" screen. I have a 22U i plan to use for another year or two, and would go larger if i could.
orclev@lemmy.world 11 months ago
This is nice for Europe I guess, and I want to like the fairphone, but unfortunately it’s not viable for me.
Besides basic phone features and the ability to run Android apps I have 3 requirements, 2 of which the fairphone fails at. I need it to be usable in the US on my phone carrier. I need to be able to use Google Pay or another mobile payment alternative (that’s accepted in most stores). Finally it needs to have at least a 48 hour battery life.
Fairphone unfortunately doesn’t work in the US with most carriers, and the one that kills not only it but all the de-googled phones, it doesn’t support mobile payment of any kind. I’ve done a ton of research trying to find some kind of fix for that second point because I’d gladly use something like GrapheneOS if I could, but every time the answer I come to is it’s just not possible.
squaresinger@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Don’t worry, it fails in Europe too. I ended up giving away my FP4, because it fails to do even basic stuff like make a call after 3G was switched off in my country.
Worst phone I ever had, with quite a margin. And the only one I ever kept for under 2 years and the only one I replaced while it was still physically ok.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’ve been using the fairphone 4 in the us for almost three years.
TonyOstrich@lemmy.world 11 months ago
For whatever it’s worth I have been using a Fairphone 5 in the US for over a year on T-Mobile.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
That too has to to with the fact that all of that is an impenetrable black box. Google gets access, but if your oso isn’t Google, amor is rooted, they won’t allow you access “for security”
Never mind that the banking web version works fine in any OS including Linux, no safety issues there (nor should there be any) but the app? Yeah, Google only and it’s all because of security. Uh huh…
orclev@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That’s certainly part of it, but I’d use any mobile payment app, not just Googles one, but there’s basically zero competition there. Some banks apparently had their own mobile payment support briefly, but it seems like just about every single one of them has removed that feature and replaced it with a wrapper around Google Pay.
philthi@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Fuck these guys… Seriously. I bought a phone off of them hyped at the idea of the ethics. It didn’t work on arrival. Over 3 months later and not one single reply to my helpdesk request (other than the Automated acknowledgement of receipt).
Unbelievably bad user experience, I went from hyped at the concept of reducing my production of electronic waste to beyond disappointed at a brutally bad user experience.
The to make matters worse, they’ve already stopped producing spare parts for the fairphone 4 (which a friend of mine bought a while ago)… Like is that not the entire point of the phone, reduced consumption of new phones by supporting repairs. If you’re going to stop producing the spares at least release the patents then… if you really believe in the promoted ideals that you spout… Which they clearly do not.
It turns out that it’s just another money hungry company hell bent on burning the planet down to see a line go up, as far as I’m concerned. All gaff to sell shite phones at higher prices.
Do not buy.
Black616Angel@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
What are you talking about? I exchanged multiple mails per day when I had a problem.
Also as others have mentioned, the parts are still available on their website.
philthi@lemmy.world 11 months ago
In terms of fp4 replacement parts, I am only quoting a friend of mine, I haven’t personally looked into that; though I was ready to believe it after my experience.
In terms of your good customer service experience… I mean, good? I’m glad your experience was better than mine? Mine has been the worst customer experience I’ve ever had with a company and I genuinely went in to this with a high opinion of them.
I don’t know what more to add here, we had different experiences, I’m sharing mine… You’re sharing yours? Different things are different to each other…
Your experience being different to mine doesn’t prove my experience never happened.
midtsveen@lemmy.wtf 11 months ago
The to make matters worse, they’ve already stopped producing spare parts for the fairphone 4
Your comment made me laugh! There’s no need to criticize the company if you’re having a bad day or don’t like it. It only takes a minute to check their website for spare parts. Most likely, it’s your local shop that’s out of stock, not Fairphone itself.
philthi@lemmy.world 11 months ago
In terms of fp4 replacement parts, I am only quoting a friend of mine, I haven’t personally looked into that; though I was ready to believe it after my experience.
faerbit@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
The to make matters worse, they’ve already stopped producing spare parts for the fairphone 4 What’s this then?
philthi@lemmy.world 11 months ago
In terms of fp4 replacement parts, I am only quoting a friend of mine, I haven’t personally looked into that; though I was ready to believe it after my experience.
thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 11 months ago
Hmmm that looks like parts listings for the Fairphone 4 to me, why do you ask ?
sherlockhomeless@lemm.ee 11 months ago
What do you mean with stopped producing spare parts for FP4? They are still widely available
philthi@lemmy.world 11 months ago
In terms of fp4 replacement parts, I am only quoting a friend of mine, I haven’t personally looked into that; though I was ready to believe it after my experience.
kopasz7@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
All I needed to know was when they released their BT earbuds just when the jack port got removed to figure out where their priorities are.
Trihilis@ani.social 11 months ago
They are easily repairable and you don’t have to throw them away if the battery goes bad (just replace it).
How is that a bad thing? About 90% of other brands you can throw them away if the battery goes bad or they break.
xeekei@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
Of course they’re gonna offer BT earbuds if there’s no audio jack? Or did you want them included or something? A lot of people here are way angrier than justified.
pineapplelover@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Yep same here. Also they’re not capable of installing grapheneos which is kind of a deal breaker for me.
Redex68@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Interesting that they seem to be using a consumer grade Snapdragon chip this time, typically they used weird chips ment for industry applications if I’m not mistaken. Wonder what sparked the change, did Qualcomm start supporting their chips for longer?
squaresinger@lemmy.world 10 months ago
They only did that once for the FP5. It was a terrible choice, leading to high battery usage and compatibility issues. They only did that because when it came out, 5 years of software support wasn’t something crazy any more. Samsung already provided the same on their mainstream flagship phones. So to top that they chose that embedded chip with 10 years of support from Qualcomm. But 10 years is practically speaking really hard overkill, especially considering the very impractical downsides of that chip.
By now, most major phone brands have support times rivalling what Fairphone is bringing to the table, and for that to work, Qualcomm has to support their mainstream phone chips for longer.
NGnius@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
They only used a weird chip for one generation (the last generation; 5)
9blb@feddit.org 11 months ago
Looks like it.
Starting with Android smartphones running on the Snapdragon 8 Elite Mobile Platform, Qualcomm Technologies now offers device manufacturers the ability to provide support for up to eight consecutive years of Android software and security updates. Smartphones launching on new Snapdragon 8 and 7-series mobile platforms will also be eligible to receive this extended support.
[Source] (qualcomm.com/…/qualcomm-extends-support-for-updat…)
tinsuke@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Probably yes.
And probably due to EU mandating new phones to be supported for longer.
Shardikprime@lemmy.world 11 months ago
600 euros? That’s like 700 USD
Remind me again, wasn’t like 80q of the American population on the verge of poverty and homelessness if a 500 USD emergency happened?
Who’s benefiting from this?
troglodytis@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Ooo they sell these in the US?
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 11 months ago
you can get them from resellers.
Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
They are hardly even in the US market. Only via Murena with their e/OS/.
pmk@lemmy.sdf.org 11 months ago
Ethically sourced, fair wages to workers, etc. Makes you wonder what a factory worker in china makes to allow for cheaper phones.
tonur@feddit.dk 11 months ago
I posted this elsewhere but the tech specs for the Fairphone 6 say the following:
USB-C 2.0 (OTG capable) can be used to connect USB Sticks/SD-Cards/Audio Amplifier/Network-adapters directly
I was really looking forward to use this with a pair of display glasses, like the XREAL One Pro, but this seems like the Fairphone 6 might not support display output? That’s sad. Especially since the Fairphone 5 had this in their tech specs:
USB-C 3.0 (OTG capable) can be used to connect USB Sticks/SD-Cards/display (also Android™ desktop mode)/Camera/Audio Amplifier/Network-adapters directly
But maybe it was not used enough?
bramkaandorp@lemmy.world 10 months ago
When I read that, it decided me on the phone. I was almost completely certain my FP4 replacement would be the FP6, but the USB downgrade makes it a no-go for me.
KryptonNerd@slrpnk.net 10 months ago
Yeah that is a shame honestly…
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 11 months ago
This looks pretty good. The main issue with Fairphone for me is the price. FP 5 is still about 2x as expensive as Pixel 8. I got my Pixel 8a on promotion for ~250 euros. FP 5 still costs over 500. I never paid more than 300 euros for a phone and I’m not planning to.
VacuumSauce@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Fair wages and sustainable practices cost more than sweatshop labor
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 11 months ago
Pixel is build by Foxxcon. Foxxcon has 3.5 stars on Glassdoor. From what I found Fairphone is build by TCL which has 3.2 stars on Glassdoor.
It’s all still made in Asia. It’s really hard to monitor conditions there and it’s pretty much impossible to monitor conditions at every step of the supply chain. I understand paying extra for a more sustainable phone (repairable, longer support) but paying double for a vague promise of being more “fair”? Thanks by no thanks. Pixel has 8 years of support now so the difference in sustainability is minimal.
srasmus@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
Did some digging, but it doesn’t appear the band compatibility with US carriers is improved at all. Am I wrong here?
logi@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Would that be a problem when travelling to the… oh, right, we’re not doing that anymore… would this be a problem for Europeans travelling to Canada?
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
why you gotta be so rude about it? like we’re forced to live here, your bragging doesn’t help anyone
N0MAD@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
From their own site it would seem they don’t. There is a “US” version but you can’t buy a Fairphone from the website directly.
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 11 months ago
Rofl if they dump them on ebay as new from a third party US shipper.
Adulated_Aspersion@lemmy.world 11 months ago
m.gsmarena.com/fairphone_6-13955.php
There is some band overlap, but I am no expert.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
3.5mm Jack or - sadly - GTFO
Zacryon@feddit.org 11 months ago
They have adapters. But yeah, would be nice to have a slot directly integrated.
KryptonNerd@slrpnk.net 10 months ago
Or two USB C ports, I don’t really mind using a USB to audio jack converter but it would be nice to be able to easily charge and listen to wired headphones at the same time
anzo@programming.dev 11 months ago
There’s a deGoogled version too!!
I would prefer GrapheneOS (If I can live with the irony of getting a Pixel phone just to deGoogle it…). Sandboxing there is way better. But you lose the Repairability… Gotta check and compare the new EU metrics too.
They are just two different devices.
anzo@programming.dev 10 months ago
Just an update, I learnt that GrapheneOS developers are ‘aggressive’ towards other FLOSS projects (following comments on other thread, but you can searx grepheneos+controversy and see for yourselves).
So now, I might just prefer an FP6.
pulsewidth@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’d love one and have checked back each year after their first model, but they still don’t sell to Australia - and I’m not going to buy something I can’t get direct parts and services for, and would need to go through third parties for.
If their model is a successful business I honestly thought they would have expanded beyond shipping/supporting only Europe by now, its been a decade since their first model. Maybe they’re still not a very big player / modest success?
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Fairphone has really gone off the deep end. 6 phone models in what? less than 12 years? That’s what they call dedication to sustainability? Really? They used to say the most sustainable phone is your old phone, assuming you can continue to use it. Yet - my Fairphone 1, still in good working order hardware-wise, I had to “scrap” because no more SW updates. When my FP2 hardware (charging port) eventually failed, they no longer sold the relevant spare parts.
What good are exchangeable parts, if they are removed from the shop around the time that a well-treated phone might need them?
Jagget@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
main camera, AI-powered low-light magic
Can I turn it off? Can I? I just want my photos, the real ones, however bad they are. I don’t want them to be half generated.
yournamehere@lemm.ee 11 months ago
no jack, no deal
Laser@feddit.org 11 months ago
Think I’m getting it, my Redmi Note 8 is aging and I’m pretty sure the current batch of custom ROMs is basically the last apart from the fact that the kernel is no longer supported, and Xiaomi is closing the doors on custom ROMs more and more it seems. Yeah, the new FP isn’t perfect but it seems good enough to pull the trigger, and while the Pixels seemed like a good alternative in some aspects, Google recently made it very clear where they see Android’s future, and it’s not more open.
HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Looks like they hit the nail strong and sharp on this one. I am still using my 2019 Nokia which does not look like it’s going bust anytime soon. Too bad, I would have loved to use the FF6
frank@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
I’m sad that the battery swap requires a screwdriver, but it’s really fine. As long as it’s not glued in I don’t care honestly.
The modular back is cool, specs look nice, lighter and smaller than my FP5 is a great thing, cuz this thing is heavy and the battery is mid.
It looks cool! Good direction I think. Of course I want a headphone jack, but I am learning to live without
absquatulate@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Is it me or did they get slightly more vague on their marketing materials, wrt the environmental impact ( at least compared to fp5 ) ?
Also the battery seems a bit harder to replace, as you now need a screwdriver. It does appear to be more flush, so it may be due to size constraints.
cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 11 months ago
My 3 greatest wishes are:
Replaceable battery
Replaceable usb charging port
120 watt cahrging
mormund@feddit.org 11 months ago
If I didn’t miss it, no wireless charging again… Some one told me they refuse to do it because it wastes electricity. To which I’d say, even just turning on a car probably uses magnitudes more energy than charging my phone wirelessly. I don’t want to mess up the USB C port if I don’t have to, thanks.
RejZoR@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
Snapdragon 7s Gen3 is a pretty decent chipset. Decent display too. 8GB RAM is a bit on the low side. Camera is all about how good processing is. It’s not that crazy expensive if all works well and considering what their goal is.
Panties@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
No earphone jack again. That’s a bit sad. Even though I mainly use BLT earbuds, I still sometimes wish I could use my wired headphones. It’s just a small inconvenience
blunderworld@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Its too bad they dont ship to Canada. I’m in the market for a new phone and would seriously consider this.
Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Can anyone recommend this? Is the camera any good?
razen@lemmy.world 11 months ago
They don’t have Auto in Screen Refresh Rare but shouldn’t it be there if they LTPO display?