I dont understand Fairphone, flashy hardware with poor software security and awful sustainability (they stop selling parts quickly).
Fairphone announces the €599 Fairphone 6, with a 6.31" 120Hz LTPO OLED display, a Snapdragon 7s Gen 3 chip, and enhanced modularity with 12 swappable parts
Submitted 3 weeks ago by Pro@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.world
https://shop.fairphone.com/the-fairphone-gen-6
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kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
lemmy@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
No they don’t they still sell parts for the Fairphone 2 that’s 10 years old.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
[deleted]kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
If they were serious about security they would partner with the GraphineOS team
__dev@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
they stop selling parts quickly
That’s weird. If they stopped making parts how did I get a replacement battery for my fairphone 3?
sasquash@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
dang, I just bought FP5.
Asetru@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
It’s not a single bit worse than before the announcement.
Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
thanks for your sacrifice
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Honestly, this might be the first fairphone which I would classify as good enough for daily use.
Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Can anyone recommend this? Is the camera any good?
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
Basically nobody has this in hand yet.
newram@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
I was thinking: Online-people have been asking for thicker iPhones and MacBooks in favour of battery for a while now. So I suppose this is that + repairability. I think we as a community could highlight that a bit tbh
crank0271@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Good question. I was just reading the article about it on The Verge, which mentions:
On the back, you’ll find a 50MP main camera and a 13MP ultrawide camera, while the front has a 32MP hole-punch camera for selfies and video calls. That’s a significant step down from the Fairphone 5, which used 50MP sensors on all three of its cameras.
No mention of camera quality, though, as it’s basically a press release post and not a hands-on or review. I wish this would be available in the US for a fair price.
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
4000x3000 (12MP) is completely fine for secondary cameras imo. The denoising and optics are much more important to the final result.
AbnormalHumanBeing@lemmy.abnormalbeings.space 3 weeks ago
Haven’t had an FP6 in my hands yet, but I’ve been using FP since the Fairphone 2, am currently using the FP4 and besides the ethics in sourcing their materials and manufacturing (which they genuinely attempt to provide, and while there is no ethical consumption in capitalism, there are still degrees of fucked-upness.), I do enjoy the repairability, longevity and long-term support. They are also decently supported by de-googled-android and even pure Linux phone operating systems, if you want to experiment there, and come without a lot of bloat that nowadays is ubiquitous with most smartphones.
JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
You can also look at the MKBHD 2024 smartphone camera comparison test with the FP5. I would suggest taking the test yourself if that is still possible.
I would guess that the camera will be comparable.
For me, daylight pics were after all of the pixels but before anything else. I like the more neutral not supremely over-saturated over-sharpened/smoothed pictures that many phones take nowadays.
For me, it was middle of the pack for dimly lit photos.
For the overall ELO with everyone, FP5 was on the mid-lower end (of a comparison of all flagships + pixel A series), but perfectly usable for people who aren’t doing social media as a job.
ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Waiting for swappable OS. No need for android
Stzyxh@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
there is a e/os version avaiable
midtsveen@lemmy.wtf 3 weeks ago
e/os is still android, i think he means Linux, and other OSes ! ❤️
yournamehere@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
no jack, no deal
Pro@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
Who is jack?
HappyRedditRefugee@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Jack will never come back, too much space to apeace a fraction of the total users.
yournamehere@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
i’ll do my own phone with (black) jack and hookers then
MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Fairphone has lost all its good will with me at this point. They still aren’t making their products available in the U.S., and Murena is a borderline scam company and I am genuinely shocked Fairphone works with them.
I would sooner recommend feature phones from Sunbeam as it also has user-replaceable batteries and you can send it in for repairs. Or just any phone used.
a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
I’ve had to swap a lot more cabled headphones out due to cable damage than bluetooth headphones, but i also only use overear headphones, which have enough battery storage for days. Also, there are also overear headsets that are dual-useable with headphone jack or bluetooth (no noise cancelling with jack tho). Also, the issue with the replacement of headphones lies with the producers of headphones w/o changeable power source, not with the phone.
And regarding availability in the US: i have the suspicion that the average european will be much more inclined to pay the 2-300$ upmark in price just for greener tech than the average american. i’m sure that they would love to sell more phones, but it’s not ecological or economical to ship them onto a continent where 80-90% of people would either compare specs only and cannot afford to go for a more sustainable phone or - a predominantly USA thing - who revel in the fact that their choice is not ecological.
EddoWagt@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
What about headphones with a replaceable cable? Higher quality cables usually last longer aswell
frank@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
I’m sad that the battery swap requires a screwdriver, but it’s really fine. As long as it’s not glued in I don’t care honestly.
The modular back is cool, specs look nice, lighter and smaller than my FP5 is a great thing, cuz this thing is heavy and the battery is mid.
It looks cool! Good direction I think. Of course I want a headphone jack, but I am learning to live without
pulsewidth@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’d love one and have checked back each year after their first model, but they still don’t sell to Australia - and I’m not going to buy something I can’t get direct parts and services for, and would need to go through third parties for.
If their model is a successful business I honestly thought they would have expanded beyond shipping/supporting only Europe by now, its been a decade since their first model. Maybe they’re still not a very big player / modest success?
NGnius@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
There’s at least two limitations that they’ve mentioned before with shipping outside of Europe.
First is they need extra certifications (e.g. FCC ones for selling to the USA), which are expensive and basically redundant. Probably not worth the business cost to do it and maintain it.
Second is they do carbon neutral shipping, which is hard to do when you have to cross an ocean. I know in Canada our national postal service can do carbon neutral for packages, but figuring that out for every country and the international legs of the shipping is a lot of work.
Part of the cost of being ethical is being at a disadvantage with capitalism, so while they’re doing pretty alright they aren’t going to grow like big tech did.
dudesss@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
How well do these connect to Canadian cell phone towers?
kent_eh@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
It appears to have support for the 4G and 5G bands that Rogers, Bell and Telus use
But the last time I was looking at Fairphine, they didn’t sell to Canada directly.
Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
They don’t. You have to get them from a place that imports like PDA Plaza out of Quebec (I’ve used them before).
To me, that’s a dealbreaker, because you lose the benefit of getting replacement parts easily.
Shardikprime@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
600 euros? That’s like 700 USD
Remind me again, wasn’t like 80q of the American population on the verge of poverty and homelessness if a 500 USD emergency happened?
Who’s benefiting from this?
pmk@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
Ethically sourced, fair wages to workers, etc. Makes you wonder what a factory worker in china makes to allow for cheaper phones.
troglodytis@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Ooo they sell these in the US?
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
you can get them from resellers.
Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
They are hardly even in the US market. Only via Murena with their e/OS/.
reddig33@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Doesn’t this thing just run android and Google App Store? What a waste of decent hardware.
arch@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
You can purchase the /e/os version. But it is more expensive
reddig33@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
E/os is just android.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki//e/_(operating_system)
I do see that Ubuntu touch is an option though.
It’s shameful that most phones run one of two operating systems. There’s not enough competition. I’m still pissed about WebOS and Windows Phone being abandoned. I am hopeful though that web-based apps might make it possible for another OS to enter the market successfully at some point.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
OTG compatible is a rare feature, I have an endoscope camera that uses OTG, but not a compatible phone.
jibjib14@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
I wish we could get this in Canada
thomas_h_bombadil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
No headphone jack means I won’t even consider it, very sad to see it’s still the case.
orclev@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This is nice for Europe I guess, and I want to like the fairphone, but unfortunately it’s not viable for me.
Besides basic phone features and the ability to run Android apps I have 3 requirements, 2 of which the fairphone fails at. I need it to be usable in the US on my phone carrier. I need to be able to use Google Pay or another mobile payment alternative (that’s accepted in most stores). Finally it needs to have at least a 48 hour battery life.
Fairphone unfortunately doesn’t work in the US with most carriers, and the one that kills not only it but all the de-googled phones, it doesn’t support mobile payment of any kind. I’ve done a ton of research trying to find some kind of fix for that second point because I’d gladly use something like GrapheneOS if I could, but every time the answer I come to is it’s just not possible.
TonyOstrich@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
For whatever it’s worth I have been using a Fairphone 5 in the US for over a year on T-Mobile.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
That too has to to with the fact that all of that is an impenetrable black box. Google gets access, but if your oso isn’t Google, amor is rooted, they won’t allow you access “for security”
Never mind that the banking web version works fine in any OS including Linux, no safety issues there (nor should there be any) but the app? Yeah, Google only and it’s all because of security. Uh huh…
orclev@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
That’s certainly part of it, but I’d use any mobile payment app, not just Googles one, but there’s basically zero competition there. Some banks apparently had their own mobile payment support briefly, but it seems like just about every single one of them has removed that feature and replaced it with a wrapper around Google Pay.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’ve been using the fairphone 4 in the us for almost three years.
squaresinger@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Don’t worry, it fails in Europe too. I ended up giving away my FP4, because it fails to do even basic stuff like make a call after 3G was switched off in my country.
Worst phone I ever had, with quite a margin. And the only one I ever kept for under 2 years and the only one I replaced while it was still physically ok.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 3 weeks ago
This looks pretty good. The main issue with Fairphone for me is the price. FP 5 is still about 2x as expensive as Pixel 8. I got my Pixel 8a on promotion for ~250 euros. FP 5 still costs over 500. I never paid more than 300 euros for a phone and I’m not planning to.
VacuumSauce@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Fair wages and sustainable practices cost more than sweatshop labor
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 3 weeks ago
Pixel is build by Foxxcon. Foxxcon has 3.5 stars on Glassdoor. From what I found Fairphone is build by TCL which has 3.2 stars on Glassdoor.
It’s all still made in Asia. It’s really hard to monitor conditions there and it’s pretty much impossible to monitor conditions at every step of the supply chain. I understand paying extra for a more sustainable phone (repairable, longer support) but paying double for a vague promise of being more “fair”? Thanks by no thanks. Pixel has 8 years of support now so the difference in sustainability is minimal.
HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Looks like they hit the nail strong and sharp on this one. I am still using my 2019 Nokia which does not look like it’s going bust anytime soon. Too bad, I would have loved to use the FF6
blinfabian@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
650€ is way too expensive for an unknown phone brand with an unknown OS installed on it smh. i’d love to buy one but considering you can get a samsung for less than 500€
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 3 weeks ago
What are you talking about this phone is established, this is their 6th one… and the bootloader is unlocked.
KumaSudosa@feddit.dk 3 weeks ago
You know the price is naturally higher when materials are ethically sourced, right? That’s kinda how it works…
Ambersand@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
One plus did the same thing. Now they’re no different then all the expensive brands out there.
Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Can we get it for 100 bucks max?
They are aware that people can’t afford to waste money on luxuries, no?
retro@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
Maybe you could start a competitor that produces a similar spec phone for $100?
smokinliver@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
And with the same ethics standards
Jtotheb@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Obviously not, the poor spec choices led to the price. Perhaps the company claiming to focus on ethics could focus on ethics instead of bezel-less design and 120 Hz screens, thus bringing it in at a lower price point. Feel free to critique me now
1234@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It is an android, which is moving towards an ai for everything trajectory which might be a privacy nightmare, I wonder if the next step of the fairphone journey is to break from android
razen@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They don’t have Auto in Screen Refresh Rare but shouldn’t it be there if they LTPO display?
Laser@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Think I’m getting it, my Redmi Note 8 is aging and I’m pretty sure the current batch of custom ROMs is basically the last apart from the fact that the kernel is no longer supported, and Xiaomi is closing the doors on custom ROMs more and more it seems. Yeah, the new FP isn’t perfect but it seems good enough to pull the trigger, and while the Pixels seemed like a good alternative in some aspects, Google recently made it very clear where they see Android’s future, and it’s not more open.
icelimit@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
I’d jump immediately if it had a stylus.
altphoto@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Good, I only want to pay for the parts that don’t send my data to Google and their partners.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
So a “phone” without any ability to connect to mobile networks or to WiFi?
Smokeless7048@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I know people complain about big phones, but as a 6’5" guy i LOVE my big screens, and i think i’d struggle with a 6.3" screen. I have a 22U i plan to use for another year or two, and would go larger if i could.
AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
I bought an oled phone for 200€ a few years back. What I’d really want is that every smartphone sold in the EU is open, with open drivers and OS with root access if you want to. And some investments by the EU to support open smartphone OS.
What a shithole civilization.