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YouTube relaxes moderation rules to allow more controversial content. Videos are allowed if "freedom of expression value may outweigh harm risk"

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Submitted ⁨⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨bimbimboy@lemm.ee⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.techspot.com/news/108255-youtube-relaxed-moderation-policy-allows-more-controversial-videos.html

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  • FireWire400@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    At least true crime youtubers won’t have to bleep half their videos anymore /s

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  • Binturong@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Introducing: Pay More, Say More Surely this can’t become deeply problematic for the social fabric.

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  • nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I like freedom of speech but it seems like it would be pretty difficult to weigh those things against one another. like what is the metric there that they have in common? I don’t know that there is one

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  • ckmnstr@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Great, now that 50% of a video can be a direct call for genocide, does that at LEAST mean I can use ONE instance of a “bad” word or speak of “icky” things like death and drug abuse without being demonized?

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  • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “Free speech” under capitalism means the freedom to promote fascism, rascism, misogyny, homophobia, genocide, etc…

    But if you post 3 second of a Disney movie, your account will be permanently deleted

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  • mhague@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Moderators were previously told to remove videos if one-quarter or more of the content violated YouTube policies. Now, that limit has been increased to half.

    This seems like alien speak to me. They announce that shit, someone read it, and then repeated it in an article. But what does it mean?

    Can you have 6 contents and make 2 really crazy? Can you tell people to commit violence for 5 minutes and then review a game for 6 minutes? Is there a dude with tvtropes open going through and marking the contents of content?

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    • trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’ve worked for TnS at a different company.

      I would guess it is likely per video, or they have multiple types of review going over it on a per video basis and then also maybe the channel as a whole?

      So you could have half of any video contain the violating content, and it would be clear.

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    • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It depends on who is being targeted.

      If you make a video attacking women, palestinians, gay people, etc., that’s all good!

      If you talk about taxing rich people, that’s extreme violence. Immediate ban.

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      • oppy1984@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Believe it or not, straight to jail.

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  • atlien51@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Wait what??? This came out of nowhere ??

    YouTube not cracking down on free speech??

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  • Twoafros@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This sucks but I think this will lead to a Youtube exodus and other platforms like Peertube will creator and user base will grow

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    • Ledericas@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      when the site becomes a 100% right wing echo chamber people will flee it.

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    • MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      How many people have even heard of peertube?

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  • DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I still wouldn’t trust Google not to nuke my channel on a whim even in spite of those relaxed moderation rules? What’s stopping a little bribe from the right company from causing them to backpedal or even tighten their grip further?

    This is why one should at least mirror their content to PeerTube or a similar alternative platform like that if they’re not going to just outright post future content to said alternative.

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    • Ledericas@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      they dont need to nuke your channel, they just bury your videos with thier algorithim, this is what pushed many smaller content creators off youtube in the pass. a channel i used to follow, i would have to painstakingly search it through other videos that arnt even related to it.

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    • Burninator05@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I agree. We’ve seen enough times in the past where a creator would get a strike from a video several years old because the rules changes. Anyone legit should be careful.

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      • Ledericas@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        i saw that on a channel i used to follow, they were getting strike so they had to take it down. kinda hoping they would give them the last strike, because turned into trump loving shitheels

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      • DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Slope’s Game Room is about to lose his channel over ‘hate speech’ that isn’t even his.

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  • flop_leash_973@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    See the issue here is Google/Youtube still get to be the ones to decide what “may outweigh the harm risk”. And the answer I bet will usually be whichever one serves their financial interests.

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  • devolution@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Intention: YouTubers can stop with the whole self censoring shit.

    Example: Unaliving; PDF file; grape; etc.

    Reality: Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh, and other right wing grifters receive zero censorship while YouTubers still have to self censor to receive monetization.

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    • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Actual reality: Right-wing grifters are already on a “whitelist”, as long as they also talk about lower taxes, lessening regulations and worker’s protections, and also got popular enough. Source: knew a former moderator for Google.

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      • shades@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        whitelist vs discovered the algorithm, same thing really.

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    • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Intention: YouTubers can stop with the whole self censoring shit.

      lol. that’s not the intention.

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    • Rin@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      YouTube started to censor foss content for being violet and dangerous.

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      • T156@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        for being violet

        But what if it was chartreuse?

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      • mctoasterson@reddthat.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        They won’t ever say it out loud but they have always removed videos for mentioning alternative frontends or other technology they view as direct threats to their revenue stream.

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      • DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        How long before Google locks YT down only to Chrome on Windows, Mac, ChromeOS, or Android with DRM?

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  • randon31415@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    We will (still) allow children’s cartoon characters to be mutilated and put into explicit situations and then push them as child friendly, but how dare you use a swear in the first 15 seconds of a video or say the work kill.

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  • answersplease77@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    youtube shadowbanning, demonitization and censorship is the most retarded shit that’s ever happened to the internet. the whole website is videos and comments of people who cater to kids and commercial advertisers and cant say shit.

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  • throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Can we talk about adblockers, or is that still somehow worse than nazi shit?

    Btw they removed a popular Youtuber’s “Degoogle Your Life” series lmfao (Linus Tech Tips). But a far-right thinnly-veiled racist video? All a’okay according to Google.

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  • propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Good. I don’t really care about youtube, but less censorship is always a good thing.

    How can you people say you respect science when you support silencing any criticism of it? That’s not science. That’s religion.

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    • Ibuthyr@lemmy.wtf ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s likely going to be selective censorship, i.e. Nazi cunts stay, criticism of said Nazi cunts will go.

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      • propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You must be living in a bubble if you truly believe that.

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  • Brewchin@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “Muh freedums profit” outweighs life. The silent bit spoken aloud. Cool cool.

    As expected from this timeline and this garbage conglomerate.

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  • Dindonmasker@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m gessing that’s not gonna positively impact the people i watch and instead go towards some dumb shits.

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  • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Do people still have to say unalive?

    Censorship is goddamn stupid. They should just tag content & let people decide what to filter.

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    • Vespair@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      People have literally never had to say that.

      First off it was Tiktok, not YouTube, that started the “unalived” trend, but even then make no mistake, “killed,” “murdered,” “died,” etc has never been banned on tiktok either.

      What has been happening is that videos (on tiktok) with “potentially divisive content” are not being promoted by tiktok. You video will not get removed just for saying the word “killed” and will still be fully available for viewing by your followers, it just won’t be promoted on the For You page for strangers.

      And it’s fine if you still object to this, but we have to stop conflating the two. Not being promoting is not the same thing as being censored.

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      • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Maybe you’re right: is there verification?

        Neither content policy (youtube or tiktok) clearly lays out rules on those words. I only find unverified claims: some write it started at YouTube, others claim TikTok. They claim YouTube demonetizes & TikTok shadowbans. They generally agree content restrictions by these platforms led to the propagation of circumspect shit like unalive & SA.

        TikTok policy outlines their moderation methods, which include removal and ineligibility to the for you feed. Given their policy on self-harm & automated removal of potential violations, their policy is to effectively & recklessly censor such language.

        Generally, censorship is suppression of expression. Censorship doesn’t exclusively mean content removal, though they’re doing that, too. (Digression: revisionism & whitewashing are forms of censorship.)

        Regardless of how they censor or induce self-censorship, they’re chilling inoffensive language pointlessly. While as private entities they are free to moderate as they please, it’s unnecessary & the effect is an obnoxious affront on self-expression that’s contorting language for the sake of avoid idiotic restrictions.

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    • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes but that’s not really a problem like the overwhelming fascism.

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    • gndagreborn@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Content speak continously erodes my frontal lobe.

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    • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m going to start using “inhumed”.

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  • acosmichippo@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Videos are allowed if “freedom of expression value may outweigh harm risk”

    oh it’s that easy huh. why didn’t we think of this before lol.

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  • latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They really are killin’ everything, aren’t they…

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  • Peffse@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is such bad news. I’m sympathetic to content creators who have to step on eggshells to please the algorithm/advertisers… But this?

    Yeah, this is not that. We all know who this is for.

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    • Ledericas@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      almost all the right wing contents get pushed to the front. there are some that are also rw that is buried by the algorithim, because they are loud mouths, i wonder if this will change for them too.,

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  • BroBot9000@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They opened their doors to the goose stepping. Fucking corporate shitheads.

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  • The2b@lemmy.vg ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is just going to be used to allow fascist propaganda, isn’t it?

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    • 21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      First thought exactly.

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    • Pirata@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yep. It’s exactly what Facebook did not long ago. It’s just the most open oligarchy you can imagine, just consolidating their interests to push fascism at full throttle.

      Its gonna be interesting, knowing some world cup is gonna happen on US soil as well.

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    • Squizzy@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And still block curse words and specific terms. Fuck this place

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      • kratoz29@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Fuck this place

        Are you implying you don’t use YT at all? Or you use it and choose to be unhappy with it?

        Just curious, I often get mad because they need to censor words, but not to the degrees to say 'fuck this place" and move to the other (unborn) alternative.

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    • Dojan@pawb.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Well yes. You obviously still can’t say “le dollar bean” without getting nuked from orbit. YouTube is a goodly Christian corporation after all, can’t have such content.

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    • marlowe221@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I assume you mean fascist propaganda over and above the right wing rabbit holes that already exist on YouTube….

      Ugh, this is terrible.

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      • Ledericas@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        there were so much rw propaganda before they announced this.

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    • bimbimboy@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      surprising a total of 0 people.

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      • devolution@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I am Jack’s lack of surprise.

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  • CaptainBasculin@lemmy.bascul.in ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If only half of that leniency were granted to selfhosting tools and adblockers

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