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What's going on with Borderlands 2? Steam is giving it for free, but the game has 23% positive recent reviews.

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Submitted ⁨⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨bimbimboy@lemm.ee⁩ to ⁨games@lemmy.world⁩

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  • mcv@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If a game, application, device or EULA changes in a way you find unacceptable, after you’ve purchased it, you should be able to get your initial purchase price back. And if you paid with your data, you need to be able to demand they delete all your data. I think that law would be entirely reasonable and would do a lot of good.

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  • reksas@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They added spyware.

    Here is excerpt from the tos, shared by user in steam reviews of the game.

    important Info in Terms of Service:

    • Mods are a bannable offense • Display of Cheats/Exploits is bannable • Forced arbitration clause and a waiver of class action and jury trial rights for all users residing in the United States and any other territory other than Australia, Switzerland, The United Kingdom, or The Territories of The European Economic Area • You can be banned for using a VPN while connecting to online servers • Cannot access game content on a Virtual PC Collected Data Types: • Identifiers / Contact Information: Name, user name, gamertag, postal and email address, phone number, unique IDs, mobile device ID, platform ID, gaming service ID, advertising ID (IDFA, Android ID) and IP address • Protected Characteristics: Age and gender • Commercial Information: Purchase and usage history and preferences, including gameplay information • Billing Information: Payment information (credit / debit card information) and shipping address • Internet / Electronic Activity: Web / app browsing and gameplay information related to the Services; information about your online interaction(s) with the Services or our advertising; and details about the games and platforms you use and other information related to installed applications • Device and Usage Data: Device type, software and hardware details, language settings, browser type and version, operating system, and information about how users use and interact with the Services (e.g., content viewed, pages visited, clicks, scrolls) • Profile Inferences: Inferences made from your information and web activity to help create a personalized profile so we can identify goods and services that may be of interest • Audio / Visual Information: Account photos, images, and avatars, audio information via chat features and functionality, and gameplay recordings and video footage (such as when you participate in playtesting) • Sensitive Information: Precise location information (if you allow the Services to collect your location), account credentials (user name and password), and contents of communications via chat features and functionality.

    I wouldnt touch anything this company has produced.

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    • FauxLiving@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They added spyware to it.

      No, they didn’t.

      Just because something sounds outrageous, doesn’t mean it is true.

      Borderlands 2 hasn’t been updated since 2022:

      Borderlands - Last updated: 3 August 2016 Borderlands 2 - Last updated: 4 August 2022 Borderlands 3 - Last updated: 8 August 2024

      No Borderlands titles include anti-cheat: areweanticheatyet.com/?search=borderlands

      Here is another person, 7 years ago trying the exact same outrage-based engagement farming strategy of linking a TOS update and implying a nefarious intent: www.reddit.com/…/take_two_a_spyware_apocalypse/ It’s exactly the same “Take two is spying on you!!!” content and yet, none of the Borderlands games have added spyware and none have added kernel anti-cheat.

      Also, if you read the 2018 and 2025 TOS you will notice notice that the information that they collect in the 2025 TOS ( www.take2games.com/legal/en-US/ ) is exactly the same as it was in 2018.

      TL;DR - Just because you read it on the Internet, doesn’t mean it is true.

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      • snek_boi@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Interesting. So the terms of service have not changed, and yet people are saying that they did. I wonder if there are criticisms that are still valid. For example, the terms of service that you linked:

        • do not let me use a VPN (¶6.4)
        • do not let me use glitches (¶6.4)
        • do not let me own the game but instead give me a limited license to it (¶2.1-2.2)
        • do not inform you about updates to their terms of service (¶10.2)
        • force me to enter arbitration and do not let me be part of a class action lawsuit or have a trial by jury (¶17.5)
        • link to their privacy policy, which:
          • does not let me opt out of having my data bought, merged, and sold through ad networks or data brokers (§ Categories of Information Collected, § How We Use Information and Our Legal Grounds, § Sources of Information We Collect, and § When We Share Information ¶ 5— all sources combined)
          • does not attempt to deliberately minimize data collection to protect user data (with the only exception of children’s data, their purposes are extremely vague § How We Use Information and Our Legal Grounds, they do not anonymize data, and they broadly do not make the attempt to do so— I cannot provide a citation because there is no attempt to do this in their privacy policy)
          • does not specify the purposes of gathering and using information about any installed application on my device (§ Categories of Information Collected)
          • does not let me opt-out of data collection categories for specific purposes (cannot give a direct citation because they simply do not do it; instead, they wrote vague types of information they collect —such as “details about… other information related to installed applications” in § Categories of Information Collected, as well as vague purposes in § How We Use Information)
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      • Yermaw@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I sometimes wonder what I casually believe because I read it while scrolling for something interesting. I don’t have the time or inclination to fact check every single detail I come across.

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  • Guidy@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    LOL. I loved the Borderlands franchise, until Epic made their evil dog shit app store and the Borderlands devs sold out to them. Motherfuck Borderlands forever now. Thanks for the warning so I don’t accidentally reinstall any of it from Steam.

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    • baatliwala@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Bro get a life, it’s not that serious. Evil app store lmao.

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      • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I know thats not a risk for you, but this data could genuinely be used by the us government to do that in the near future, for many marginalized populations.

        Especially queer people and anyone who could be seen as an immigrant.

        Some of us have real problems in life, and have to actually give literally a single fuck about the world.

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  • BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    lemmy yet again falls for the ragebait hook line and sinker

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  • LemmyFeed@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ok so that explains the bad reviews, but why is steam giving the game away for free? Also BL3 is heavily discounted

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    • dontbelievethis@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Probably because borderlands 4 is on the horizon and sweat-gland randy caught some flag for tweets.

      My guess is that it was planed to be good PR.

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    • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Publisher made it free to propagate their spyware.

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    • bimbimboy@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think it’s up to the publisher, and not steam, to give the game away for free.

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  • L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Y’all really going to freak out over the new paralegal being told to update the EULAs and lazily hitting the update all button?

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  • REDACTED@infosec.pub ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I sometimes wonder what will happen when EAC, that has root access to millions of PCs, gets compromised or grunty employee and pushes malicious update

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    • seralth@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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      • UltraMasculine@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That’s right. I’m not lying at all when I say that none of my friends care about privacy. It’s actually quite frustrating.

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    • SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It probably spys on you already.

      The company that makes the Overwolf game launcher is an Israli cyber security company that gets money from the US.

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      • Jax@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Holy fuck I did not know about Overwolf. That’s the last time I download something from my, apparently, dipshit friend (no, this is not the only stupid thing he’s done).

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    • epicstove@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Crowdstrike 2.0

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  • Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I just don’t understand anticheat or copy protection on PvE games. I can understand it if you don’t want to play against a cheater, but this is a cooperative shooter.

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    • anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      IIRC Borderlands 3 scales the value of loot to the game’s difficulty setting, with some mechanics aimed at encouraging players to join online coops at high difficulties in order to earn more valuable loot. I imagine cheats undermine that intent, and I also imagine borderlands 4 might be aiming at a pay to play scheme.

      I’m guessing this EULA is being used for all their IP with the intent of taking advantage of it in the future.

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    • Sabata11792@ani.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Need to protect those purchasing opportunities from cheaters.

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    • thermal_shock@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s for precedent on future games and to sneak in shit for later. Wittle down your expectations and privacy, make it “normal”.

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    • porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      See you’re looking at it from the point of view that it would serve the player experience, but that’s not what it’s for, it’s to mine your data

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      • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        We haven’t gotten another Middle Earth game because it had an online requirement

        Now look where we are

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  • TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So 50% score loss because of a permissive EULA, got it …

    I’ll just leave this in the “Pitchforks against Pitchford” and “Woke series, must downvote” folder. Call me back when they do actually include a rootkit in their games. If only there was some way to get statistics of the people getting outraged because of posts in a subreddit community and the people who don’t have a problem with rootkits installed by their favorite MMOs.

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    • lowleekun@ani.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You should hold a class on how to insert “woke” into every conversation.

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      • TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Because of a single comment? No need to hold a class about your criteria.

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    • MyFriendGodzilla@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Lol go home Randy, you’re drunk.

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      • TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        … Do you really believe I am Randy Pitchford? Whow, so that’s the bar for IQ around these parts …

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    • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’ll just leave this in the “Pitchforks against Pitchford” and “Woke, must hate” folder.

      So you’re an idiot?

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      • TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        People do complain about rootkits, but a reaction on this scale means it might be more fitting for you to reply to the mirror.

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    • MonkRome@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Let’s try this logic on other things. Their EULA says they can cut off a finger whenever they want. They haven’t cut off my finger for my purchase of this game, call me back when they cut it off.

      If you’re someone that doesn’t want companies to have root level access to your computer, waiting until it happens, when they’re telling you it’s gonna happen, is every reason to complain and be concerned.

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      • TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        No offense, but have you ever read EULAs? Even Windows EULA has a lot of “cut off a finger” provisions. It’s invasive, and people are right to complain, but this is nothing new in the world of gaming, and to the scale of affecting over 50% of the score of a game for a provision that is often included in other games they have no problem with is what’s revealing. People might cry Linux, but when their job requires them to use Windows and abide by that EULA, most will crumble. Pitchford has given his explanation, that it is a matter of the 2K EULA Gearbox has to adopt.

        Let’s try this logic on other things. Are all 2K games that have this in their newly updated EULA’s being boycotted? Hint: Civilization is a 2K game.

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      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It’s probably a common EULA for all games, so they probably added it to carify the terms for some other game that includes it.

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  • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yikes. Is the review in the screenshot true? They got root anticheat? Or rootkit data harvesting?

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    • Diurnambule@jlai.lu ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      He said they added a kernel level anticheat in the TOS which is true. But they seem to have not included it in the game yet. But they and and by possedong the game you allow them to.

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      • wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        possedong

        I’d like to know how your autocorrect learned this word

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    • FauxLiving@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No, it’s misinformation and people who uncritically repeat things without verification.

      I’ve had the game installed for years and have to manually apply updates, there hasn’t been one.

      All they’ve done is make their TOS universal across all of their games.

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      • Diurnambule@jlai.lu ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        He said it, root access level in the TOS of BorderLand. Not that a root kit is included, but that they allowed them self to inclid it whenever they can. That not misinformation…

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  • But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Don’t speak I’ll of steam and billionaire Gabe around here. The steam bros are gonna crucify you for daring to even think ill of THEIR corporation and THEIR billionaire who of course loves and cares for them all.

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    • Agrivar@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Your mom is wrong. You are not even slightly cool.

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      • But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        This thread makes me wish we could have a discussion community where we exclude Americans. Even the left are nuts over there now. Nothing but name calling and shit slinging. Glad your country is drowning

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    • kadup@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What’s Steam got to do with Borderlands 2 having a rootkit?

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      • But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        If this was on PSN or the Nintendo shop, everyone downvoting me would be up in arms blaming Sony and Nintendo

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      • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You’re right that it’s not Valve they’re mad at, buuuuut…

        They could regulate that no games they sell can have rootkits and delist the ones that do, as well as offer refunds if a rootkit is patched in in the future. They have lots of rules already, and I don’t think that would be a bad one.

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  • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    🏴‍☠️ is free and without shenanigans.

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    • nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      giving root level access to russian crackers instead

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      • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Damn, its such a shame you can’t run a crack in a vm, or on linux via WINE and Proton, aw shucks.

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      • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Over wine?

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      • RepleteLocum@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        If you go to the right sites you won’t get any malicious code. Stop spreading corpo propaganda.

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      • FauxLiving@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Shh, the kids don’t want to hear about the dark side of free things (oh hey, a new Meta service!)

        /s

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  • RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I didn’t enjoy the Handsome Collection but free is free. Thanks for sharing.

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  • slaacaa@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Image

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  • W3dd1e@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Is this because Embracer sold Borderlands to Take-Two last year?

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    • zecg@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s because Take Two came out with a fuck-you-in-the-ass EULA for all their games. I actually look forward to boycotting someone, there’s too much free and discounted shit everywhere

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  • DrGrout@lemmynsfw.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. Owns Rockstar Games, Zynga and 2K. So if that’s all their games, it includes at least these: Bioshock series, Borderlands series, Civilization series, Grand Theft Auto series, Mafia series, Max Payne series, NBA 2K series, PGA Tour 2K series, Red Dead series, WWE 2K series and XCOM series.

    Amazing stuff!

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    • damdy@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s just a list of games that used to be good and now suck.

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      • Godwins_Law@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I object to that for XCOM

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  • Lemjukes@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    • Did the EULA change? ✅
    • Were all Take Two games automatically updated in secret and now hijack your machine with root access to spy? ❌
    • Do Take Two games contain code to report telemetry and user information to a home server? ✅
    • Is this EULA change extraordinary and particularly egregious in comparison to others that most people have probably already agreed to? ✅(IMO)
    • Are people riled up because e a YouTube video went a little viral and now they’re all playing telephone to the point where it’s now gotten to the point of random dumdums are review booming a 13 year old game claiming it’s turned into literal spyware? ✅(again, IMO)
    • Should you be surprised by any of this if you’ve been even remotely paying attention for any period of the last 30-40 years? ❌
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    • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Pretty much nailed it, yep.

      A youtuber named Hellfire has been on a spree, basically discovering how fucked up EULAs have been in games for the past 20ish years… well this is all brand new news to him and and his Zoomer / Gen A followers.

      There is, as of right now, literally zero evidence that Borderlands 2 has been updated with a rootkit, with kernel level anti cheat, anything like that.

      The last update to its game files was 2 years ago.

      This is almost certainly them updating the EULA everywhere, for some specific arcane legal and business reasons… TakeTwo runs a whole bunch more games than juat Borderlands… namely GTA V…

      …

      Is this EULA bad? Yes.

      Is it much worse than it was before, or what other large gaming companies EULAs have, and have had for… a decade+?

      Maybe by a bit, but not really, no.

      …

      Is Randy Pitchford a dumb idiot asshole?

      Oh absolutely yes, but that shouldn’t give people the liscense to make completely unevidenced claims about other things.

      …

      The game does not have a kernel level AC or some kind of rootkit DRM, as many, many people are currently saying it does.

      I guess gamer attention span can really hold onto a few keywords and phrases at a time.

      … I say this all as person who is vehemently against kernel level AC, who has been pointing out for 4 years, that almost all existing anti cheat systems currently have at least one game that implements their AC, on linux, without using kernel level anything… it is entirely possible to do AC without kernel level shit, even on linux, and has been for at least 4 years. EAC and BattleEye have supported linux for 4 years, but nearly no game that uses them has actually used this feature/available and offered support.

      I am glad that this level of hate is finally being directed at shitty EULAs, but lets at least get our facts straight, or actually provide some hitherto unseen evidence that Borderlands has had some kind of sleeper malware in it for at least the past two years, just waiting to be activated by a TOS update to every single Take Two game.

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    • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So…if Steam is running in a Flatpak, and Borderlands is launched from Steam, how much can they even see…really?

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      • FauxLiving@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        So…if Steam is running in a Flatpak, and Borderlands is launched from Steam, how much can they even see…really?

        Without using exploits to escape the container, not much. A very empty Windows environment with a single game installed, your network interfaces and any directories that the Flatpak has access to (usually just the SteamLibrary directories).

        The TOS (www.take2games.com/legal/en-US/) changes are mostly related to data that they collect via their interfacing with Steam and through their website. This idea that they’re requiring you to agree to a root level access or installing a spyware rootkit are just nonsense.

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      • domi@lemmy.secnd.me ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You can install an application like Flatseal (flathub.org/apps/com.github.tchx84.Flatseal) to inspect the permissions for a flatpak.

        How locked down a flatpak is depends entirely on the developer and what permissions they request. By default, they can’t really see much. For example, they can’t even see the processes running on your host or your user and system files.

        Flatpak does not do anything about network access though, it can only do no access or full access, no in between. The data they can collect on Linux in a Flatpak is very limited but it does not prevent them from calling home.

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      • Squizzy@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        New to linux…are flatpaks like sandboxed?

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      • MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Not a lot. Even when it isn’t a flatpak windows software running on linux won’t be able to interact with the system anywhere near as much as on windows.

        They’ll be able to tell it’s linux, though.

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      • RetroGoblet79@eviltoast.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        They know I use Linux and that means they know too much

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    • Mustakrakish@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Its a bit more than that:

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      • pulsewidth@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Would it shock you to know that ALL of these are in the Steam terms of service also?

        The only really sus one to me is the forced arbitration clause, and Steam also had that til they were pressured to remove it by multiple legal cases, including a class action brought to them by Steam user just last September. It is only sus because it’s outdated - companies are generally removing them now rather than adding them. legal.io/…/Valve-Removes-Mandatory-Arbitration-fr…

        RE: remaining top 5 bullet points, 3 of the remaining 4 bullet points are uncontroversial bullet points about anticheat. The fourth is banning modding, which is also just a heavy handed anticheat attempt, and not uncommon for online games to add to their ToS to allow banning at their discretion. Either way its clumsy at the least as some mods can be harmless eg HUD mods for colourblind people and deserves some negativity - but not to this level, given everything else is just so boilerplate.

        Collected data types: these are all for if you buy stuff with a credit card / paypal / etc off 2k/parent company Take 2. Remember, they sell games with in-game purchases. They also have an app which has location permissions option which is what the precise location is about.

        So yes - again, as OP said, this is nothing controversial if you have paid attention to ToS meaning and content over the past 20 years.

        Aside from the forced arbitration crap - which Steam, Microsoft, Amazon, Lyft, Uber, Google, AT&T - and hundreds of other major companies all snuck into their ToS over the years, and many have now been legally pressured to remove by consumer rights group. That is stupid because it shows their legal team is behind the times, companies are mostly removing their forced arbitration clauses nowadays because it has been the cause of many lost class actions.

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      • Lemjukes@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        A bit more than what? I’ll say it again, if you think this is anything new you haven’t been paying attention. I’m all for calling this fuckery out and pushing for something better. But like where yall been?

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      • BlindFrog@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Precise location information? Wtf for?

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  • red@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Got to argue, I’m a 39 year old gamer, started with PCs back in 90s.

    The games are casual fun, they work great as co-op shooters. Story is what it is, but the games themselves are lighthearted and just pure entertaining fun.

    Not masterpieces. Just good.

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  • PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ll just stick to playing my console copy

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    • FauxLiving@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      console

      If you’re worried about personal data collection then I have some bad news for you…

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  • vortexal@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Is that also applicable to the Linux version, assuming that Aspyr did actually port the game to Linux and not just use Wine or something?

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    • aesthelete@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The Linux version is utter dog shit. It’s native but it’s really terrible looking.

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  • Onyxonblack@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I apparently love downvotes but here goes: All the Borderlands games (annoying childish cell-shaded skinner-box) and everything Gearbox is and has ever created it utter shit. The CEO is a garbage person, and thier dealings with Epic is Capitalist-Oink-Piggy shite! "“FUCK YOU 2K & GEARBOX, AND FUCK YOU BORDERLANDS!”

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    • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yep, I am jumping in with you on this one.

      The cell-shaded art style? Not the problem, imo.

      The problem is the just astoundingly terrible writing, immensely insufferable characters, and astonishingly brain dead gameplay.

      Why have weapon balance of tactically interesting scenarios or any real sense of progression in gameplay when we can just procedurally generate guns and do everything we can to make everything into roughly the same level of bullet sponge with auto levelling?

      They are the lowest common denominator of co-op shooter games.

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    • propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Hear hear!

      Borderlands is a neat concept, but it’s ruined by an awful studio and reddit-tier ‘humor.’

      It was nice to see Battleborn fail because honestly that’s what the studio deserves.

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    • Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes, but it should still be illegal for a company to do this. Don’t let them blame the users for accepting this bullshit. As Louis Rossmann would say, they have the mentality of a rapist.

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  • EnsignPacts@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I checked the Steam depots. It seems the game files haven’t been updated since 2022. All that seems to have changed is some license agreement in February. Seems to be a thing across take two games, and not specific to borderlands 2.

    Basically nothing has changed in real terms for this game. Maybe borderlands 4 might have draconian DRM, who knows.

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  • JoMiran@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I only play AAA games on GeForce Now (cloud). If the game can’t run on my Linux system or on the cloud, I ain’t touching it. Also, there are so many wonderful games that do not require a colonoscopy into your personal data to be played.

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  • BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Don’t just review bomb it

    Report it to steam as SPYWARE, with the little flag icon on the product page

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  • Showroom7561@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Pirates are winning over my empathy.

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  • DaddleDew@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    A government that cares for is people would ban this shit and procecute any company trying to find ways around it.

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  • KneeTitts@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Why isnt Steam banning them? Munny?

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  • NeryK@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    On one side of the ring, greedy corps which want to profile you better than the NSA does. On the other, drama-hungry and social networks-fueled outrage culture.

    That’s how an old game giveaway backfires and becomes the scandal of the day.

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  • solsangraal@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    the game’s store page doesn’t mention that it requires root access, like it does for some other games. am i missing something?

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  • Dagamant@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You literally posted the answer to your question. Here is an expansion of the details.

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