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Because you can see his previous work and determine if you think he is suitable for the job.
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If you make a bad pick he will see himself out soon enough anyway. Pun not intended.
Why are popes always really old?
Submitted 1 day ago by CheeseToastie@lazysoci.al to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
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zxqwas@lemmy.world 1 day ago
AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 1 day ago
The older the average pope, the shorter the average term, and the more papal elections in a given span of time.
One of the main powers of cardinals is electing the pope, so more papal elections means more power for the cardinals.
gigachad@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I guess this is a side effect, but I doubt it is the reason.
AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It’s an emergent phenomenon—institutions will naturally behave in ways that increase their power without that being the conscious intention of any given member.
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
It doesn’t really makes much sense.
The amount of power is the same. They don’t get more power by voting a pope every 5 years rather than every 30 years. They still vote for the pope, the person in that position is always there because it was voted by the Cardinals.
scarabic@lemmy.world 1 day ago
The amount of power is the same
There is only one pope seat at a time which they can influence. But that’s not a complete measurement of all the power involved.
Think of fit this way. Every time there’s an election, everyone comes out to kiss their ass and offer favors and so on to they themselves or “their guy” elected. If elections happen only every 20 years, then this ass-kiss-fest only happens every 20 years.
They’d rather it happen every 5 years.
scarabic@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Mmm smart.
libra00@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Because only cardinals can be pope and it takes a long time to work your way up through the priesthood into administration and such like any organization. Also, unlike most businesses or governments they never hire some young(-ish) new ceo or department head from outside.
ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 1 day ago
Actually any Catholic man could be Pope, but the cardinals usually pick one of their own.
libra00@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Usually pick one of their own == have never not picked one of their own, right?
Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Because most popes are cardinals first and becoming a cardinal takes time. Usually they have to get a college education, then be a preist for several years, then become a bishop, then become a cardinal. CGPGrey video about how to become pope recommended.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Same reason most CEOs of long-established companies are old. The only young religious leaders are in startup religions.
FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website 1 day ago
Technically, they don’t have to be. They could elect a venerable whippersnapper cardinal - Dan Brown wrote a book about that. And that tells you how likely that is if he wrote the story. But it is possible.
It would be rare because it takes seniority to get into the position. And politics to be well liked enough to be put forward and then elected. By mostly old people. Some of whom would like the job themselves.
sushibowl@feddit.nl 1 day ago
Technically any Catholic male is eligible to become pope, it doesn’t even have to be a cardinal. But yeah cardinals are the only ones voting so they always elect one of their own (with a few historical exceptions)
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 day ago
The selection process is via an election of cardinals. Generally, if a small group elects someone for a position, that person usually comes from that voting group. Therefore, while not a requirement, an elected pope is generally a cardinal.
Beyond that, a pope has great influence over the Catholic Church. It would be very remarkable that a young person could have that much influence over the cardinals to get elected. It could happen, but the likelihood is rare.
Crackhappy@lemmy.world 1 day ago
What’s really fun is that literally anyone, including you, can be elected pope.
Apeman42@lemmy.world 1 day ago
If nominated I will not run. If elected I will not serve.
herrvogel@lemmy.world 1 day ago
If by “literally anyone” you mean any catholic man, then sure.
Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Not anyone, you have to be a male catholic
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
They serve for life (or until resignation), so if someone relatively young is elected pope, the same person will be pope for many decades. The cardinals don’t typically want that to happen, so they’ll tend to want to elect someone who is probably going to die soon.
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
You gotta understand something. It’s all speculation.
There’s no official rules stating a pope has to be a certain age. There’s no procedural factors that make it mandatory.
This means that unless the Cardinals over time state that age was a factor in their voting, the rest of us can only guess, and the Cardinals involved in the election are supposed to never reveal what goes on during the voting.
While it’s definitely possible to apply sound reasoning into why popes tend to be well past middle age overall, there have been popes under 50, and even a couple under 40. One was a pope multiple times, and was first elected at 12. That’s Benedict the 9th, and it was over a thousand years ago, but still.
The Cardinals are supposed to be picking the pope based on their worthiness to be pope, but there’s been plenty of times where it was politics and power mongering all the way.
Like any institution, the church has changed and shifted over its incredibly long history, with all the ups and downs of its influence, wealth, and power. So, obviously, selection of leadership isn’t always the same.
In our lifetimes, we’ve not had anyone under their 50s. And there seems to be a general trend towards popes with known and proven ranges of belief about the major issues that the church aristocracy deems important.
To me, that points to selection excluding younger candidates because it’s hard to have a reasonable certainty about a candidate’s specific beliefs on a given issue until they’ve had time to show their beliefs, or speak about them consistently. However, that assumes all the Cardinals are acting in good faith, with the pun being both intentional and relevant.
I think it can be safely argued that the popes of the last fifty years have been compromise picks. Fairly conservative in most things, but with outlying stances that move away from established practice. And I use conservative not in the standard political way, but with it being more about “conserving” established dogma and policies within the church. That those policies match other uses of conservative is true, but one doesn’t have to follow the other.
When a candidate is a compromise it tends to end up where the need for a body of reputation and history is even more important during negotiations and arguments about who to elect, so it would make sense that age would be a factor because of that.
But even all of those conclusions are speculation, it just includes the reasoning for that speculation.
CheeseToastie@lazysoci.al 1 day ago
That was really interesting thanks
h3mlocke@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Cuz they were born a long time ago? 🤷♀️
CheeseToastie@lazysoci.al 1 day ago
Haha thanks dad
JTskulk@lemmy.world 1 day ago
The young ones are all busy getting molested.
HubertManne@piefed.social 1 day ago
Im not sure if its exactly a requirement but priests have to have a degree and usually an advanced degree. Granted many get it in divinity but they also have to do seminary which can't start until age 25 and it is at least 5 years. So priests basically start out at age 30 and technically a pope could make one a cardinal right away in practice the average age of a cardinal is like 70. Popes can be drawn from anyone but are usually biships. Bishop are required to have a doctorate in divinity and be over age 35. They are also expected to be known for all sorts of good qualities. So figure to be known enough you can add 10 years being a biship. So for all practical purposes its very doubtful someone would be name pope before age 50 and they have usually been 60's or 70's.
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Gotta make sure they’ve had time to put together enough blackmail material on a candidate first. That way if he (c’mon, like it’ll be anything other than a “he” within our lifetimes) turns out to be too much of a reformer, they can shut that shit down.
VinesNFluff@pawb.social 1 day ago
Because Gerontocracy is the true law of the land, and is older than both capitalism and feudalism.
Siegfried@lemmy.world 1 day ago
[deleted]VinesNFluff@pawb.social 1 day ago
“why does this well known social-and-political figure tend to be a certain way?”
“because of a social system” (said social system is older than capitalism and feudalism alike)
“OMG HOW DARE YOU SAY CAPITALISM IS TO BLAME?!??!?”
Bitch can you fucking read?
vane@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Because of Tom Hanks and Obi-Wan Kenobi.
angelmountain@feddit.nl 1 day ago
Because old people die soon, so it’s difficult to really mess stuff up. It’s like an automatic failsafe.
chirospasm@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
The short, easy answer: it typically takes a lifetime of service for the rest of the church to determine if they fit the bill to be Pope.
stankcheez@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Also, the cardinals who choose the next pope typically don’t choose candidates who are only “moderately” old (in their 60s) b/c they might end up living with a pope they regret electing for 20+ years
TheFogan@programming.dev 1 day ago
You’d think there’s not much reason for that… I mean, the god they believe in famously selected a lot of unqualified crazy people. Noah an alchoholic, David couldn’t keep it in his pants, and had to arrange the death of one of his best soldiers to deal with it.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Also, old people run everything these days