Naomi Klein’s book ‘Doppelganger’ is good on this topic…
I feel like if asbestos was banned today there'd be a huge pro-asbestos movement
Submitted 11 months ago by philz@lemmy.world to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
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Paddy66@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
Inucune@lemmy.world 11 months ago
He’d drive a truck fogging asbestos dust out the back
JustAThought@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Didn’t they have asbestos shovelling competitions? 1962 Right around the time major studies confirmed the concerns from a decade earlier:
1960s: Studies, particularly by Dr. Irving Selikoff in the U.S., showed clear links between asbestos exposure and mesothelioma, lung cancer, and other illnesses, prompting greater public health concern.
limelight79@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I’m a little surprised Trump hasn’t signed the “Asbestos Fibers Are Our Friends” Executive Order.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
lead too.
Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 11 months ago
It is actually astonishing it took so long for lead to be banned in the US. Even Ben Franklin railed against the use of lead in daily life and he was someone who lived and died in the 18th century.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Even Ben Franklin railed against the use of lead in daily life
whoa, TIL. 1786 NO LESS
environmentaleducation.com/…/Ben Franklin Letter …
TY!
Grappling7155@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Dozzi92@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I love two towns over from Manville, which was the asbestos capital of America, and I can unequivocally say those morons would vote to bring asbestos back if they could.
frezik@midwest.social 11 months ago
Implication is that there are things about as bad as asbestos that should be banned, but aren’t.
Taleya@aussie.zone 11 months ago
Cigarette, sir?
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Trumpers would start eating asbestos for breakfast just to pwn the libz
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 11 months ago
This makes me wonder if we can make a really convincing deepfake video to manipulate the Trumpets.
kevin2107@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I wish they would
edg@lemmy.world 11 months ago
There already is lol.
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
I beg your pardon?
neidu3@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Contracting silicosis to own the libs. Then use some sort of donkey enema as a cure.
tempest@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Is that giving a donkey an enema or preforming an enema with a donkey or is it utilizing a donkey to perform an enema…
Taleya@aussie.zone 11 months ago
For donkeys, by donkeys.
neidu3@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Whichever method is approved by RFK Jr.
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
I think it means using an enema made for donkeys for yourself.
vvilld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
There’d be motherfuckers on TikTok snorting lines of asbestos
primemagnus@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Why not… it cures diabetes, cancer, all diseases…
FugginJerk@lemmy.today 11 months ago
One way to improve genetics. Thin out the pool a bit. They’d have headlines in the tikkity tok like, “MAGA COUNTRY MUTHERFUCKERZ!!” with a backwards red Maga hat and the table looking like a scene from Scarface.
Treczoks@lemmy.world 11 months ago
And MAGAs would grind it, bake it, and eat it. Just to own the libs.
jbk@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
I was surprised to find out that people also were against seatbelts. Weird
quack@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
My mother in law would complain about wearing one while I was driving her around, so I’d just refuse to move the car until she either got out or put the seatbelt on. She wears it without complaining now. I give no fucks if people like wearing it or not, when they’re in my car, I’m responsible for their safety and I won’t have their blood on my hands because they think it’ll never happen to them.
limelight79@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Oh yeah. “You’re safer being ejected from the car in a crash. My cousin’s ex husband’s sister’s daughter survived a crash that way!”
tempest@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Those people have never seen someone who has been hit by an air bag. It’s not a gentle pillow it’s a punch to the face and if you aren’t strapped in you’re probably gonna bounce around a bit off the interior.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
Yeah, one of my grandpas always chafed against wearing one, especially the part that comes across the chest. He was always “forgetting” to put it on, and holding it down so it wouldn’t like press against him.
Meanwhile I don’t even think about the seatbelt. Actually it feels wrong if I forget to put it on for some reason.
5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
“ding… ding… ding…”
desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
they do make it significantly harder to grab items from the back seats when at red lights, especially if they are the bs locking type.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
They do. But for that just pull over and do what you’ve got to do. Stop trying to multitask while you’re in command and control of a device that can wipe out an entire family in a split second of distraction.
ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Oh god yes. They all literally invented a fake illness called “seat belt burn.” I kid you not. And this was the 80s before commercial Internet, so it spread organically.
Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 11 months ago
My country banned smoking in all public indoor spaces almost 20 years ago. As a smoker at the time I thought it was ridiculous, felt that my rights were being violated and thought it would never last. The quality of life improvement it made is massive. Today I vape rather than smoke but wouldn’t dream of doing either indoors and think it was 100% the right move. Not quite the same thing but if you’ve never lived in a world that doesn’t work a certain way you sometimes can’t imagine that the alternative would be a benefit.
ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
I don’t generally mind the smoking bans, but I wish there existed some indoor spaces where it could be done. They are very limited and mostly exclusive.
tempest@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Smokers can never smell themselves so they don’t think it’s a big deal.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 11 months ago
We DoN’t NeEd VaCcInEs We’Ve GoT aSbEsToS!
VerbFlow@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Back when asbestos was banned, everyone trusted the government. Nobody trusts the government anymore because of its constant foreign wars, corrupt candidates, and human rights abuses. We cannot do things like mandate vaccines and ban cars if the very government that would enforce that ban is this tyrannical and shitty.
mogranja@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Also, there are people who make money (or even just fake internet points) off of telling gullible people the opposite is true.
They should be held accountable for what they claim online.
mogranja@lemmy.world 11 months ago
And I mean someone who claims cigarettes don’t cause cancer are financially responsible if anyone who smokes a cigarette gets cancer. No need to prove they watched the channel or started smoking after seeing their video.
vrojak@feddit.org 11 months ago
I’m SO glad I live in a city with a decently functioning tram system. If something like that was proposed today, there’d be thousands of people complaining about being forced out of their cars or the city losing its charm or whatever nonsense.
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
Texas just defunded their rail project
Ghostwurm@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
[deleted]hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
TRANSfats?!??!!!?? The wokes are trying to force us to be trans by putting ‘transfats’ in our food!!
3dmvr@lemm.ee 11 months ago
they didnt go away just lowered amount for servings, an annoying amount of food still has them, like costco dogs
mko@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Something with trans in there? That should not even come up in his mind.
ExtantHuman@lemm.ee 11 months ago
The Dipshit tried to bring it back his last term. Guess which country is the top producer of asbestos?
boonhet@lemm.ee 11 months ago
It’s got to be either Russia or the US.
ExtantHuman@lemm.ee 11 months ago
It’s not the US. When has he ever done anything to benefit the US?
Godric@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Babalugats@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Plastic is much more useful than asbestos ever was.
philz@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Cool bro. I guess we should bring asbestos back then
Babalugats@lemmy.world 11 months ago
My point was, as per OP, if we banned it now, there would still be a large portion claiming outrage. Either because they profit from it, or it effects a product they use or collect.
UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Of course he is for it.
It will make him money
And none of the thousands who will get sick and or die
Are people he knows personally
UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’m surprised there isn’t a “pro poison in food” If only for those who feel
“No one tells ME what to do!”
sugarfoot00@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
I humbly direct you towards the raw milk crowd
PolarisFx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
A friend of a friend is a dairy farmer, and we were at his place and I was introduced to raw milk for the first time, and I did not enjoy the experience, nor do I understand people who seek it out.
Stegget@lemmy.world 11 months ago
As if the processed food industry doesn’t already lobby Congress spendinf millions annually.
HelixDab2@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I’m still in favor of asbestos. It’s an amazing material for preventing fires AS LONG AS you never disturb it. The people that were most at risk of cancers were the people involved in the mining, manufacturing, and installation of asbestos products, but once the asbestos-containing products were installed, they were almost entirely safe for the occupants of the building. You could, in theory, largely mitigate the risks to the miners, manufacturers, and installers, but that is… Well, expensive. And people have a really bad tendency to ignore health and safety warnings when they’re inconvenient. You see the same issue with quartz countertops; they’re known to cause silicosis in people that are doing the cutting unless they do wet cutting for everything, and wear PPE, but a lot of people don’t, because wet-cutting is messy and slow, and PPE is hot and uncomfortable.
There was a big movement in the late 90s to remove asbestos from old buildings; the current advice is to encapsulate it, and leave it in place.
sgtgig@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yup. It’s a pretty wondrous material, except the bit about causing cancer.
Clbull@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Aren’t there ways to treat the asbestos and prevent the fibers from becoming airborne and posing a serious risk?
HelixDab2@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Encapsulation, yeah. That’s usually what they do now, since encapsulation is usually cheaper, and generally less disruptive.
x3x3@lemm.ee 11 months ago
You also have to consider removal at the end of life
sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
Fair point about removal; but if you’re being bombed, I think asbestos is going to be low on your list of worries.
catsakimbo@lemm.ee 11 months ago
they were almost entirely safe for the occupants of the building
So would you live in a house your whole life that’s “almost” entirely safe? I don’t think I would
Test_Tickles@lemmy.world 11 months ago
There are plenty of things that you deal with on a daily basis that are significantly more dangerous than asbestos. And if it had been treated like the hazardous material that it is as soon as we knew it was hazardous, then it would still be used just like all the other hazardous shit we deal with daily. However, as is the usual story, companies not only hid what they knew, but outright lied about its dangers. They called it a miracle material with no downsides. And it is amazingly good at what it does, so it was put in fucking everything, much like AI is today. And so people died for profit. A lot of people.
HelixDab2@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I did in Chicago. And I absolutely would again, because it makes my house much less likely to burn down from e.g. an electrical fire.
I quit smoking a decade ago; my risk of lung cancer was–is–far, far higher from smoking than it ever would have been from living in a house with asbestos insulation in the walls and around pipes.
CMonster@discuss.online 11 months ago
Millions of people do and have. They are again almost entirely fine.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
I do. My ceiling almost certainly has asbestos in it. I just don’t touch it.
TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
If CFCs were banned today you would see people spraying them in the air to own the libs, also spraying their children with DDTs because RFK Jr told them to
BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 11 months ago
“When we had asbestos there was less autism. Big pharma teamed up with big construction to screw us up”
467265654C75696769@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Because Russia, the number one exporter of asbestoes and the number one disinformation capital of the world.
SouthFresh@lemmy.world 11 months ago
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