I feel like if asbestos was banned today there'd be a huge pro-asbestos movement

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• SolidShake@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Depends who would ban it. From my life experience, we have one side that definitely would because they get mad at anything the other side. ANYTHING. While the other side is typically more rational and has critical thinking skills.

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  • Katana314@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I have heard that Obama supports breathing.

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    • SolidShake@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I heard Obama and Biden are anti mask and anti universal healthcare now.

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    • garbagebagel@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I also heard Obama supports Trump, so if you like Trump it means you like Obama and that makes u a dumb librul. Checkmate, everyone.

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  • lowleekun@ani.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Thats however what everybody thinks about themselves

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    • spankmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      A lot of those people are correct.

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  • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Are you talking about liberals being dumb?

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    • Wiz@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah, dumb liberals with their dumb vaccines and pasteurized milk and fluoridated water and science. 🙄

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• ChristmasIslandZone@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  When seatbelts were introduced to cars, there was a big movement against them. Some by car manufacturers to keep costs down, but a lot of backlash was from good ol’ natural born idiots so contrarian and averse to change they’d let themselves die just to give a smug look about not doing what someone asked of them. The sort of dumbass who during the height of pre-vaccine Covid would drown in the fluid buildup in their lungs and refuse treatment because doing so would be an admission of fault.

  These past 9 years have made me DEEPLY cynical about my fellow man. There is no bottom. No level of malicious stupidity is low enough. It’s not even disappointment anymore, I’m resigned to it. Some people are so beyond hope, so beyond redemption, it’s like trying to get a fucking deer to recognize itself in a mirror. Just ZERO awareness, no theory of mind, object permanence is a fucking coin flip. If it weren’t for my principles, my absolute refusal to engage in dehumanization, I’d be tempted to write them off as another species just to cope with the dissonance that comes from seeing people acting that self destructive. Like it doesn’t make sense. You’d expect at some point some form of pattern recognition and harm avoidance to develop. “Hey, putting my hand on the stove hurt. It hurt every time I did it. It hurt everyone I saw do it too. I’m gonna put my hand on the stove and it won’t hurt this time.”.

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  • Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I was annoyed about the seatbelt laws, but I was a little kid at the time. I came from an era of riding in the back of dad’s truck and enjoying the breeze. Hell, I went from New England to Canada in the back of a capped truck. I was eight years old and never thought anything of it.

    However, as I got older into my teens I got more adamant about using a seat belt, even when the laws were still sorta gray here (you were let off with no warning most times). Now its second nature, even if I’m heading 3 mins to the store. Some people still don’t because they think that they’re only endangering themselves. Thing is, I have a brother in law that’s a first responder. He’s seen people torpedo out of windows in head-on collisions and into the other car, injuring the other driver/passengers.

    Honestly, I don’t get what the whole problem is. You barely even notice them on you. Most people who don’t put on a simple and comfortable safety belt are just being fucking stubborn children who don’t like being told what to do. I’m glad I grew out of that way of thinking. Some my family are those “good ol’ natural borns”. They’ll tell me I don’t have to put my seatbelt on and every time I adamantly say, “I always do”. My other brother in law will literally crank the radio so he can’t hear the seatbelt alarm. Drives me insane, but I love the idiot.

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    • lightnsfw@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I hated them as a kid because they were uncomfortable and didn’t fit right. My mom made is wear it but I used to put the chest belt behind my back as soon as she turned around because it dug into my neck. I probably should have been in a car seat for way longer than I was. As an adult I don’t even notice it.

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    • Excrubulent@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Untethered occupants are a serious danger to other occupants in their own car. I wouldn’t agree to drive with someone who wouldn’t put one on tbh, partly because it hints at a lack of judgement and I wouldn’t want that person in charge of my car.

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  • subarctictundra@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I think there is a growing divide between the most and least intelligent in society, and it has been growing with tech advancement (the gap wouldn’t have been that big in the middle ages). If we ever develop superintelligent AI, I can see that becoming an inflection point in this divide because we (Lemmy dwellers) will become as fallible to that AI as the people you mentioned are today in what is still a human-dominated society. Introducing AGI will vastly exasperate the gap between the most and least intelligent and I can’t see society surviving that in its current form.

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    • Taleya@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Not quite.

      Tech’s facilitated a lot of things, but not a schism in intelligence. That requires systemic destruction of education systems, especially those that focus on critical thinking and comprehension.

      No matter how smart you are, we’re still heard animals. Get enough loud drivers and it infects everyone.

      Boomers have their odd naivete and emotional immaturity from intergenerational trauma, but Zoomers have something i consider worse - a self-righteousness that demands the appearance of purity and correct behaviour. It’s more important to be seen to say nothing wrong than do the right thing. It’s the weird US paradigm of posturing puritanism on steroids - and unfortunately the interconnectivity of the internet has facilitated that infection

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  • ceiphas@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    There are still people that buy “belt silencers” or sit on their seatbelts to drive without. Newer cats will alarm and mine even shuts down if you drive without a seatbelt

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    • slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      My sister’s boyfriend bought an oldtimer with no seatbelt. The previous owner installed some and he took them out again. I think there is nothing that brings him more joy than to tell people how he doesn’t need a seatbelt. He also drives his children around in this deathtrap. But he also refuses to wear a helmet when they ride their ebike. My sister nagged so long about it that he now takes the helmet with him, but he doesn’t wear it, that’s the compromise they reached. Some people are just fucking weird.

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    • markovs_gun@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think those are mostly for super obese people because seat belts are really uncomfortable if you’re really, really fat. At least that’s what I always assumed because everyone I know who has one is really fat.

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  • stembolts@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I enjoyed reading this. Well put. I also share this recent realization. It’s made me feel a bit less imposter syndrome. Among other things.

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• Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I used to live in a city called Asbestos, the mine was closed back in 2012 and older folks are still angry about it, they’ll even tell you that the workers handling it weren’t in worse health than anyone else in the city… The worst part is that it was banned in the construction industry 30 years prior, so they kept exploiting the mine only to export it to countries that hadn’t banned it, even if it meant killing people there…

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• Wilco@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  LOL, libs are trying to ban asbestos! They want us all to catch fire! Asbestos causing cancer is a conspiracy, do your own research. Besides, Ivermectin will cure any cancer caused by asbestos.

  /s (because the USA is crazy and someone would really post this and mean it)

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  • viking@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Post it on reddit, and that will end up as a google AI recommendation next week.

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    • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Asbestos is a great way to prevent the glue on your pizza from catching on fire !

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  • BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I can see them railing a line of asbestos just to own the libs. Better than vaccine denial I suppose, at least it limits the damage.

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    • Raiderkev@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      A guy I went to HS with definitely did this one time on a dare. A piece of insulation fell out of the kiln in shop class n another kid smashed it n told this kid he’d give him $5 to snort it. No one thought he would, but this dude absolutely railed it. Someone asks the shop teacher later what the tiles were made of and he says asbestos mostly, but it’s fine as long as you don’t mess with it. 💀

      I keep checking on his Facebook every couple of years to see if lung cancer got him. So far, he’s still kicking lol.

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• andros_rex@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’m in a comment war with a nicotine denialist on here now!

  In the 90s, there were still tons of people angry about seat belt laws. It’s every Americans God Given Right to fly out of the windshield and probably kill someone else.

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  • hakunawazo@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    There is this meme about:
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    • andros_rex@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      “There are 30,000 people that have been killed with seat belts, where they’ve gotten into accidents, the cars were on fire, they’ve been knocked out, they haven’t been able to get out of the vehicle,” he said. “My point is, even if the majority of people are saved, why do we keep forcing people to do things that they feel it’s their own individual right to make a decision?”

      Rhode Island state rep, 2011.

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    • bss03@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Where’d you get a picture off all my elder family members in one place!? (j/k)

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  • jjjalljs@ttrpg.network ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    People are emotional. They feel things, and then make up justifications for it afterwards. We all do this to some extent, in some contexts or others, but some people seem to do it the majority of the time.

    Someone who smokes and has a choice between admitting they fucked up, they’re hurting themselves and those around them, OR denying it so they’re just a persecuted innocent? A lot of people will go for the latter. It’s weakness and cowardice, but saying that won’t change their mind. If results are wanted we have to do the very arduous task of massaging their emotions and I kind of resent that thankless, endless, work. Even though I almost certainly am the same way about other things.

    Humans are a mess.

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    • thejoker954@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      As a former smoker (now vaper) I understand and agree with non smokers about smoking inside.

      However the people who bitch about smokers outside in public piss me off.

      Yes my cigarette (now vape) is soooooo much worse than the exhaust of the thousands of cars /generators/construction equipment and so on that are constantly running all around us.

      But out of sight out of mind. They can’t see all that exhaust shit so it doesn’t exist - But those fucking smokers how dare they.

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  • NikkiDimes@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Even better, people in the 80s when drinking and driving was made illegal: youtu.be/2xcQIoh3FQQ

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    • BakerBagel@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Still meet plenty of people who drink beer in the car

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  • Glitterbomb@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Real men aren’t held back by anything! The belt restricts blood flow through the body! It’s a globalist conspiracy to turn our men into women!

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    • Cargon@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Imagine having a heart so weak that a little piece of fabric over your chest restricts your blood flow.

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    • Squirrelanna@lemmynsfw.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Real Chad’s don’t let some dumb straps stop them from pumping blood like a REAL PATRIOT! B)

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  • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    My father was an anti-seatbelter up until 2010-ish, when he got a newer car with a better seatbelt system.

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  • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Aren’t belts not required in Utah

    Also there are pro-asbestos movements

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    • andros_rex@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Required as of 2015 looks like.

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  • Wilco@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I am evil for this and I admit it.
    Seat belts laws should not be enforced on adults. A windshield dive is a good cure for stupid, I bet a lot of MAGA would literally go out like that.

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    • T00l_shed@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Trauma, potential physical harm to others. A whole set of reasons they should be enforced. I get what you’re saying though.

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• SouthFresh@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “Don’t Tread on Mesothelioma”

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  • parody@lemmings.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Gosh, Don’t tread on me-sothelioma

    We were here when history was made

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    • Irelephant@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Indexed by google (not bing or ddg’s array of crawlers yet) now.
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  • davetapley@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Until lemmy gold is a thing please have these medals, I wish I could offer more: 🏅🏅🏅🏅🏅🏅

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    • swab148@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      We can let Reddit go, I think.

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• callouscomic@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  In 2018, the U.S. idiot-in-chief tried to bring it back again.

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  • ToiletFlushShowerScream@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yes! How do people not remember this?

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    • drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Because a thousand other crazy things happened.

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• MTK@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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  But I’m here to tell you that actually, asbestos is super useful and the health hazards are so out of proportion! And this brings me to my sponsor, Asbet Health! Asbet Health have given my viewers a 20% discount for the next 30 days on ALL of their 100% asbestos clothing! We are talking about light, breathable, fire resistant and stain resistant clothing that has been proven to support your health!*

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  • samus12345@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It probably would be FDA approved now.

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    • MTK@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Soon we will have “FDA approved pre-2025” to know if it’s not BS

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  • TripleIris@lemmy.wtf ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’d be one of those shitty AI voices too.

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  • Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    And also you wash it down with radithor! The healthfully radioactive water.

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• Agent641@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Asbestos must have seemed like a fucking miracle material. Suddenly, our tinderbox world was fireproof. You can build bricks, lightweight cladding, roofing and fences for houses, car parts, curtains, electrical switchboards and protective clothing out of it without the incessant fear of a house fire. It wasn’t synthetic or petroleum based, you could just dig it out of the ground. Yeah it would absolutely have supporters. They would be dumb, but they would exist.

  I remember my dad being angry that they were phasing out leaded petrol and he had to buy a seperate additive to put in the Datsun fuel.

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  • I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Still used in a lot of fireproof applications. Lab tables you see in chemistry and biology classrooms are a good example, most of those are made out of asbestos. Really, as long as it’s well bonded and handled appropriately, it’s perfectly safe. It’s just costly to do so, and greedy companies don’t care if their lax standards cause cancer 20 years later, so it really can’t be trusted in the hands of private businesses.

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    • Reasonable_Guy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Most lab tops today are not asbestos based. There’s plenty of 40 plus year old ones still around that are and as long as you don’t break them they’re perfectly fine. But newer tops are all either epoxy or phenolic resin based.

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• Auzy@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Here in Australia we just banned engineered stone because it tends to cause silicosis

  And yep, lots of shitty business owners whined and a few shit customers on Facebook

  Silicosis is what’s killing people at the moment, and business owners in particular don’t seem to care, despite the fact there’s is alternatives

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  • jaschen@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I have no idea engineered stones causes silicosis. Is it the manufacturing or the installation or the home owner getting too close to it that causes it?

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    • Auzy@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      When it’s cut for bench tops and such , that’s what exposes people.

      Lots of stonemasons here in Australia now have silicosis because of it.

      Natural stone has far less issues and there is stone available which doesn’t cause it

      Business owners were also claiming they weren’t given enough time to switch. Everyone including me (I have a friend with silicosis now) has known engineered stone was dangerous to work with for years.

      So they had years of warning that it was dangerous But they pretend like it was unexpected.

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• ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  There’s still some pro-asbestos people, so it didn’t go away 100%. I remember reading a completely mental Conservapedia article blaming 9/11 on not using asbestos.

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  • chaogomu@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That was Rush Limbaugh, may he rot in piss.

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  • OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They used asbestos in the towers though?

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• FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  People are just going to have to re-learn just how fucking scary the measles and polio are, I guess.

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  • SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m curious if America children dying will weaken the anti vax movement in other countries.

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    • Azal@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      God I hope so. Don’t hope for the US to learn.

      We didn’t on guns after Sandy Hook so get some popcorn for the horror show to come for us.

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• vvilld@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  There’d be motherfuckers on TikTok snorting lines of asbestos

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  • Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    And MAGAs would grind it, bake it, and eat it. Just to own the libs.

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  • FugginJerk@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    One way to improve genetics. Thin out the pool a bit. They’d have headlines in the tikkity tok like, “MAGA COUNTRY MUTHERFUCKERZ!!” with a backwards red Maga hat and the table looking like a scene from Scarface.

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  • primemagnus@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Why not… it cures diabetes, cancer, all diseases…

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• dantheclamman@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  In fact, the industry did sue and win a lawsuit in 1991 narrowing the range of asbestos compounds banned by the EPA. There have always been huge waves of resistance to every harmful compound banned by the government, from leaded gas to cigarettes to chlorofluorocarbons that harmed the ozone layer. The difference is that the present consolidation of wealth in the hands of a small group of billionaires, who control a consolidating group of media corporations, allows for unprecedented ability to control public opinion. Meanwhile, the amount of junk information floating around in social media, and failing public education, has disordered our systems of discourse. There is much more limited ability to vet quality sources of information, leaving people to worry more about fictional chemtrails than about the very real pesticides in their food

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• HubertManne@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  At least using asbestos has some value. If we had not found alternatives we would still be using it. One reason measures were taken to improve safety in manufacturing rather than just banning from the get go was lack of alternatives. What im trying to say is pro-asbestos is not as coocoo crazy as anti vax and such.

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• yarr@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Banning asbestos is like discarding our heritage! 🦸 It’s American ingenuity, jobs, safety in its most patriotic form. Asbestos has protected us for generations—why abandon this true-blue hero for trendy orthodoxy? Let’s celebrate our history and defend what truly makes America great. #AsbestosPatriotism 🗽✨

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• Godric@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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• TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If CFCs were banned today you would see people spraying them in the air to own the libs, also spraying their children with DDTs because RFK Jr told them to

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• ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Trumpers would start eating asbestos for breakfast just to pwn the libz

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• Reygle@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  People would be making TikTok videos eating asbestos and cramming it up their bums claiming it cures COVID

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• remon@ani.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  What do you mean … if?

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• trigg@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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• Angry_Autist@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If it didn’t cause cancer, asbestos is a fucking miracle material, there are people TODAY who are hugely pro-asbestos

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• BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “When we had asbestos there was less autism. Big pharma teamed up with big construction to screw us up”

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• Aggravationstation@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  My country banned smoking in all public indoor spaces almost 20 years ago. As a smoker at the time I thought it was ridiculous, felt that my rights were being violated and thought it would never last. The quality of life improvement it made is massive. Today I vape rather than smoke but wouldn’t dream of doing either indoors and think it was 100% the right move. Not quite the same thing but if you’ve never lived in a world that doesn’t work a certain way you sometimes can’t imagine that the alternative would be a benefit.

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• HelixDab2@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’m still in favor of asbestos. It’s an amazing material for preventing fires AS LONG AS you never disturb it. The people that were most at risk of cancers were the people involved in the mining, manufacturing, and installation of asbestos products, but once the asbestos-containing products were installed, they were almost entirely safe for the occupants of the building. You could, in theory, largely mitigate the risks to the miners, manufacturers, and installers, but that is… Well, expensive. And people have a really bad tendency to ignore health and safety warnings when they’re inconvenient. You see the same issue with quartz countertops; they’re known to cause silicosis in people that are doing the cutting unless they do wet cutting for everything, and wear PPE, but a lot of people don’t, because wet-cutting is messy and slow, and PPE is hot and uncomfortable.

  There was a big movement in the late 90s to remove asbestos from old buildings; the current advice is to encapsulate it, and leave it in place.

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• jbk@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I was surprised to find out that people also were against seatbelts. Weird

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• neidu3@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Contracting silicosis to own the libs. Then use some sort of donkey enema as a cure.

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• popcap200@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Wasn’t Trump literally trying to bring it back last time?

  whyy.org/…/trump-wants-to-make-asbestos-great-aga…

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• ExtantHuman@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The Dipshit tried to bring it back his last term. Guess which country is the top producer of asbestos?

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