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I feel like if asbestos was banned today there'd be a huge pro-asbestos movement

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨philz@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨showerthoughts@lemmy.world⁩

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  • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Old car guys are still bitter over unleaded gas. Some will drive to airports to buy the leaded stuff.

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    • sxan@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Old car drivers drive cars that need additives in the gas. The lead was a lubricant, and old engines ran better, and longer, on leaded gas.

      They didn’t just add lead because it made the gas prettier; there was a reason. I would suppose that today there are other additives that can reproduce the lubricating effects for those old cars, but old car hobbyists are niche and you’re not going to find those products at Walmart, whereas there’s always a local airport somewhere nearby.

      I’m not defending leaded gas, but I think vintage car enthusiasts do it not because they’re being stupididly misinformed and contrarian, but because they’re trying to keep their engines running well.

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      • KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The reason was TEL stopped engine pinging.

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      • sugarfoot00@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Thomas Midgley Jr is the same guy that invented leaded gas and also invented freon (chlorofluorocarbons). Imagine being the architect of not one but two of the greatest environmental calamities of the industrial age.

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      • HelixDab2@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The lead was a lubricant, and old engines ran better, and longer, on leaded gas.

        There were two issues. First, tetraethyl lead increased the effective octane level. That, in turn, reduced the probability of pre-ignition, e.g., the fuel-air mixture igniting before the compression cycle was completed. Higher octane allows for higher compression, which is more efficient. The other issue was the valves specifically; the lead provided a ‘cushion’ between the valves and the valve seats, which minimized valve wear.

        The octane issue is easily solved by both better refining or by adding alcohol. It was known that you could add alcohol to gas to improve octane rating even when TEL was first added, but TEL could be patented, and alcohol couldn’t. The valve issue has largely been solved by better metallurgy and manufacturing.

        The one are where it hasn’t been solved is small aircraft. Some small planes still use leaded gas, and it’s mostly for the octane boost. TEL can give them a better octane rating than alcohol or better refinement can, which allows them to operate at much high compression. Take that away, and the engines are too underpowered to keep the plane in the air. Over 150,000 small airplanes still use leaded AvGas; thankfully, newer turboprop planes and all jet planes mostly use Jet A or Jet B fuel, which is closer to kerosene.

        In theory, I think that you could convert older cars to run on unleaded fuels, but you would need new parts rather than OEM.

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      • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I ones I know are putting it in new generators.

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  • ChristmasIslandZone@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    When seatbelts were introduced to cars, there was a big movement against them. Some by car manufacturers to keep costs down, but a lot of backlash was from good ol’ natural born idiots so contrarian and averse to change they’d let themselves die just to give a smug look about not doing what someone asked of them. The sort of dumbass who during the height of pre-vaccine Covid would drown in the fluid buildup in their lungs and refuse treatment because doing so would be an admission of fault.

    These past 9 years have made me DEEPLY cynical about my fellow man. There is no bottom. No level of malicious stupidity is low enough. It’s not even disappointment anymore, I’m resigned to it. Some people are so beyond hope, so beyond redemption, it’s like trying to get a fucking deer to recognize itself in a mirror. Just ZERO awareness, no theory of mind, object permanence is a fucking coin flip. If it weren’t for my principles, my absolute refusal to engage in dehumanization, I’d be tempted to write them off as another species just to cope with the dissonance that comes from seeing people acting that self destructive. Like it doesn’t make sense. You’d expect at some point some form of pattern recognition and harm avoidance to develop. “Hey, putting my hand on the stove hurt. It hurt every time I did it. It hurt everyone I saw do it too. I’m gonna put my hand on the stove and it won’t hurt this time.”.

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    • subarctictundra@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think there is a growing divide between the most and least intelligent in society, and it has been growing with tech advancement (the gap wouldn’t have been that big in the middle ages). If we ever develop superintelligent AI, I can see that becoming an inflection point in this divide because we (Lemmy dwellers) will become as fallible to that AI as the people you mentioned are today in what is still a human-dominated society. Introducing AGI will vastly exasperate the gap between the most and least intelligent and I can’t see society surviving that in its current form.

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      • Taleya@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Not quite.

        Tech’s facilitated a lot of things, but not a schism in intelligence. That requires systemic destruction of education systems, especially those that focus on critical thinking and comprehension.

        No matter how smart you are, we’re still heard animals. Get enough loud drivers and it infects everyone.

        Boomers have their odd naivete and emotional immaturity from intergenerational trauma, but Zoomers have something i consider worse - a self-righteousness that demands the appearance of purity and correct behaviour. It’s more important to be seen to say nothing wrong than do the right thing. It’s the weird US paradigm of posturing puritanism on steroids - and unfortunately the interconnectivity of the internet has facilitated that infection

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    • Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I was annoyed about the seatbelt laws, but I was a little kid at the time. I came from an era of riding in the back of dad’s truck and enjoying the breeze. Hell, I went from New England to Canada in the back of a capped truck. I was eight years old and never thought anything of it.

      However, as I got older into my teens I got more adamant about using a seat belt, even when the laws were still sorta gray here (you were let off with no warning most times). Now its second nature, even if I’m heading 3 mins to the store. Some people still don’t because they think that they’re only endangering themselves. Thing is, I have a brother in law that’s a first responder. He’s seen people torpedo out of windows in head-on collisions and into the other car, injuring the other driver/passengers.

      Honestly, I don’t get what the whole problem is. You barely even notice them on you. Most people who don’t put on a simple and comfortable safety belt are just being fucking stubborn children who don’t like being told what to do. I’m glad I grew out of that way of thinking. Some my family are those “good ol’ natural borns”. They’ll tell me I don’t have to put my seatbelt on and every time I adamantly say, “I always do”. My other brother in law will literally crank the radio so he can’t hear the seatbelt alarm. Drives me insane, but I love the idiot.

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      • Excrubulent@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Untethered occupants are a serious danger to other occupants in their own car. I wouldn’t agree to drive with someone who wouldn’t put one on tbh, partly because it hints at a lack of judgement and I wouldn’t want that person in charge of my car.

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      • lightnsfw@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I hated them as a kid because they were uncomfortable and didn’t fit right. My mom made is wear it but I used to put the chest belt behind my back as soon as she turned around because it dug into my neck. I probably should have been in a car seat for way longer than I was. As an adult I don’t even notice it.

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    • ceiphas@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      There are still people that buy “belt silencers” or sit on their seatbelts to drive without. Newer cats will alarm and mine even shuts down if you drive without a seatbelt

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      • markovs_gun@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I think those are mostly for super obese people because seat belts are really uncomfortable if you’re really, really fat. At least that’s what I always assumed because everyone I know who has one is really fat.

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      • slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        My sister’s boyfriend bought an oldtimer with no seatbelt. The previous owner installed some and he took them out again. I think there is nothing that brings him more joy than to tell people how he doesn’t need a seatbelt. He also drives his children around in this deathtrap. But he also refuses to wear a helmet when they ride their ebike. My sister nagged so long about it that he now takes the helmet with him, but he doesn’t wear it, that’s the compromise they reached. Some people are just fucking weird.

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    • stembolts@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I enjoyed reading this. Well put. I also share this recent realization. It’s made me feel a bit less imposter syndrome. Among other things.

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  • Wilco@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    LOL, libs are trying to ban asbestos! They want us all to catch fire! Asbestos causing cancer is a conspiracy, do your own research. Besides, Ivermectin will cure any cancer caused by asbestos.

    /s (because the USA is crazy and someone would really post this and mean it)

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    • viking@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Post it on reddit, and that will end up as a google AI recommendation next week.

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      • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Asbestos is a great way to prevent the glue on your pizza from catching on fire !

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    • BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I can see them railing a line of asbestos just to own the libs. Better than vaccine denial I suppose, at least it limits the damage.

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      • Raiderkev@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        A guy I went to HS with definitely did this one time on a dare. A piece of insulation fell out of the kiln in shop class n another kid smashed it n told this kid he’d give him $5 to snort it. No one thought he would, but this dude absolutely railed it. Someone asks the shop teacher later what the tiles were made of and he says asbestos mostly, but it’s fine as long as you don’t mess with it. 💀

        I keep checking on his Facebook every couple of years to see if lung cancer got him. So far, he’s still kicking lol.

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  • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It actually was just recently (a year ago) banned fully in the US. Before that, it was just prohibited to be used in new construction.

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    • TON618@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      What do you mean with fully banned? Pretty sure here in Europe there are also still plenty of cases where you’re not forced to remove asbestos, like old plumbing that’s embedded in closed shafts.

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      • subarctictundra@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Well it can’t be sold anymore, but if you have it in your house then it’s not illegal in any way

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  • Angry_Autist@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If it didn’t cause cancer, asbestos is a fucking miracle material, there are people TODAY who are hugely pro-asbestos

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    • CoffeeJunkie@lemmy.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      People have been pro-asbestos dating back to Roman times, and even back then it is said they knew it was harmful as well. But used it anyway. 😆

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      • slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I mean you do have to wright in thr pros and cons. Like asbestos is crazy good in what it does. if you have it in your building and don’t fuck with it, it doesn’t matter. I’m not some pro asbestos nut or anything, but they banned asbestos because of health concers, but smoking and alvohol is still fine, which has absolutely no positive side effects

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  • Auzy@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Here in Australia we just banned engineered stone because it tends to cause silicosis

    And yep, lots of shitty business owners whined and a few shit customers on Facebook

    Silicosis is what’s killing people at the moment, and business owners in particular don’t seem to care, despite the fact there’s is alternatives

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    • jaschen@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I have no idea engineered stones causes silicosis. Is it the manufacturing or the installation or the home owner getting too close to it that causes it?

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      • Auzy@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        When it’s cut for bench tops and such , that’s what exposes people.

        Lots of stonemasons here in Australia now have silicosis because of it.

        Natural stone has far less issues and there is stone available which doesn’t cause it

        Business owners were also claiming they weren’t given enough time to switch. Everyone including me (I have a friend with silicosis now) has known engineered stone was dangerous to work with for years.

        So they had years of warning that it was dangerous But they pretend like it was unexpected.

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  • Reygle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    People would be making TikTok videos eating asbestos and cramming it up their bums claiming it cures COVID

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  • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    People are just going to have to re-learn just how fucking scary the measles and polio are, I guess.

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    • SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’m curious if America children dying will weaken the anti vax movement in other countries.

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      • Azal@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        God I hope so. Don’t hope for the US to learn.

        We didn’t on guns after Sandy Hook so get some popcorn for the horror show to come for us.

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  • Heikki@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Simpson’s did it!

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  • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There’s still some pro-asbestos people, so it didn’t go away 100%. I remember reading a completely mental Conservapedia article blaming 9/11 on not using asbestos.

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    • OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They used asbestos in the towers though?

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    • chaogomu@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That was Rush Limbaugh, may he rot in piss.

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  • Opinionhaver@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The use of it in the US was banned only last year and I’m not aware of there having been such movement.

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    • uienia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Donald Trump has already called asbestos “100% safe”. His cultist followers will eagerly become pro-asbestos if he tells them to. And he will tell them to if someone pays him enough to tell them so.

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      • SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        They are already lead infested and thus dumb enough to believe anything Cheeto Benito says.

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  • Tiger666@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I would 100% agree with you with where I live, Alberta Canada.

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  • rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If there wasn’t such a huge amount of money in remediation, you’d likely still have them now.

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  • LovableSidekick@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    'Bestos saved my buddy’s life in 'Nam, man.

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  • 46_and_2@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    [In Asbest, Russia, Making Asbestos Great Again

    ](archive.is/…/asbestos-russia-mine.html)

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  • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I used to live in a city called Asbestos, the mine was closed back in 2012 and older folks are still angry about it, they’ll even tell you that the workers handling it weren’t in worse health than anyone else in the city… The worst part is that it was banned in the construction industry 30 years prior, so they kept exploiting the mine only to export it to countries that hadn’t banned it, even if it meant killing people there…

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  • madame_gaymes@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    We should just let them bring all these things back, make the southeast US a mecca for dinks that want raw milk, lead paint, asbestos insulation, and derailed trains pumping vinyl chloride into a biodome.

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  • dantheclamman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    In fact, the industry did sue and win a lawsuit in 1991 narrowing the range of asbestos compounds banned by the EPA. There have always been huge waves of resistance to every harmful compound banned by the government, from leaded gas to cigarettes to chlorofluorocarbons that harmed the ozone layer. The difference is that the present consolidation of wealth in the hands of a small group of billionaires, who control a consolidating group of media corporations, allows for unprecedented ability to control public opinion. Meanwhile, the amount of junk information floating around in social media, and failing public education, has disordered our systems of discourse. There is much more limited ability to vet quality sources of information, leaving people to worry more about fictional chemtrails than about the very real pesticides in their food

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    • shottymcb@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Leaded gas still isn’t banned. Small airplanes still use it, and homes around airfields (including mine, which my family lived in before the airfield) are contaminated with lead. My daughter failed her 12 month lead test because of it despite us excluding her from outdoor activities in our neighborhood.

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      • Rivalarrival@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        100UL (Unleaded avgas) has finally been approved for spark-ignition aviation engines just in the past couple years.

        Manufacturers have finally gotten approval to build/retrofit popular small aircraft with compression-ignition engines. These can burn Jet-A in a diesel cycle instead of 100LL. Jet-A is more energy dense than 100LL, and it is cheaper.

        We’re finally in a regulatory position where the GA fleet can actually transition to unleaded fuels.

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      • dantheclamman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It’s messed up that there are still ways lead is used in this country. Ammunition, also, is a huge scourge on our environment, and sometimes people. I’m very sorry about your daughter having that problem.

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    • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Changed it a little.

      In fact, the industry did sue and win a lawsuit in 1991 narrowing the range of profits banned by the EPA. There have always been huge waves of resistance to every profitable compound banned by the government, from leaded gas to cigarettes to chlorofluorocarbons that harmed the ozone layer.

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  • jerkface@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Canada: shifty_eye_puppet.jpg

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  • CanadianCorhen@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    In Defense of Asbestos: The Mineral We Love to Hate

    Look, everyone’s got their vices. Some people sip whiskey to “relax,” others puff cigars to feel “distinguished.” But heaven forbid you mention asbestos—suddenly, you’re the villain in a 1980s PSA.

    But let’s be honest: asbestos walked so modern insulation could run. Before we had fancy synthetic fireproofing and high-tech soundproofing, asbestos was out here doing it all. Fire-resistant? Check. Insulating? Absolutely. Durable? Like the cockroach of minerals—won’t burn, won’t break, just vibes.

    “Oh, but it causes health problems,” they say, as they light their third cigarette of the day and sip their third oat milk IPA. Everything causes health problems if you inhale it long enough. Ever tried breathing in glitter? Death trap.

    And what happened to personal responsibility? You don’t see us eating asbestos sandwiches. We just want a little cozy, non-flammable nostalgia in our ceilings. It’s not like we’re snorting the stuff—though, let’s be real, if someone did that in the 70s, it was probably the same guy who invented disco.

    Let’s stop pretending asbestos was some mustachio-twirling villain and start recognizing it for what it was: the gritty, misunderstood hero of 20th century construction. Sure, it had a dark side—but so did lead paint, and we don’t see that getting canceled on social media.

    So here’s to asbestos: May your fibers be forever airborne in the halls of history, and your reputation just slightly less shredded than it deserves.

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    • bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Did you llm this

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      • CanadianCorhen@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        yea, there is a disclaimer at the top.

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    • Irelephant@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This is oddly convincing.

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  • jasoman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It was only banned in 2024

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  • MTK@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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    But I’m here to tell you that actually, asbestos is super useful and the health hazards are so out of proportion! And this brings me to my sponsor, Asbet Health! Asbet Health have given my viewers a 20% discount for the next 30 days on ALL of their 100% asbestos clothing! We are talking about light, breathable, fire resistant and stain resistant clothing that has been proven to support your health!*

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    • Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      And also you wash it down with radithor! The healthfully radioactive water.

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    • TripleIris@lemmy.wtf ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’d be one of those shitty AI voices too.

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    • samus12345@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It probably would be FDA approved now.

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      • MTK@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Soon we will have “FDA approved pre-2025” to know if it’s not BS

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  • cobwoms@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    i could see the same being dead about leaded gasoline

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  • MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    As long as it made someone money or kept them from losing it, yes there would be

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  • Kcap@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m personally waiting for the inevitable fight over autonomous vehicles. The only way they truly work to our advantage is if nearly every car is self-driving. I absolutely foresee a “they’re trying to take my Trans-am” resistance, people that will be fighting to the death not to lose the ability to drive their own car.

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    • the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’ll be one of those people and so will anyone else with the smallest bit of common sense. Autonomous private vehicles will never be viable or safe within my life time.

      Safe autonomous vehicles already exist btw they operate on rails and even those require a driver in case shit goes wrong.

      I’m so fucking sick of tech bros trying to make public transport stupider and more complicated in the name of private profits.

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  • andros_rex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m in a comment war with a nicotine denialist on here now!

    In the 90s, there were still tons of people angry about seat belt laws. It’s every Americans God Given Right to fly out of the windshield and probably kill someone else.

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    • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      My father was an anti-seatbelter up until 2010-ish, when he got a newer car with a better seatbelt system.

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    • Wilco@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I am evil for this and I admit it.
      Seat belts laws should not be enforced on adults. A windshield dive is a good cure for stupid, I bet a lot of MAGA would literally go out like that.

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      • T00l_shed@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Trauma, potential physical harm to others. A whole set of reasons they should be enforced. I get what you’re saying though.

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    • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Aren’t belts not required in Utah

      Also there are pro-asbestos movements

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      • andros_rex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Required as of 2015 looks like.

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    • hakunawazo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      There is this meme about:
      Image

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      • bss03@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Where’d you get a picture off all my elder family members in one place!? (j/k)

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      • andros_rex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        “There are 30,000 people that have been killed with seat belts, where they’ve gotten into accidents, the cars were on fire, they’ve been knocked out, they haven’t been able to get out of the vehicle,” he said. “My point is, even if the majority of people are saved, why do we keep forcing people to do things that they feel it’s their own individual right to make a decision?”

        Rhode Island state rep, 2011.

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    • NikkiDimes@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Even better, people in the 80s when drinking and driving was made illegal: youtu.be/2xcQIoh3FQQ

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      • BakerBagel@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Still meet plenty of people who drink beer in the car

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    • Glitterbomb@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Real men aren’t held back by anything! The belt restricts blood flow through the body! It’s a globalist conspiracy to turn our men into women!

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      • Cargon@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Imagine having a heart so weak that a little piece of fabric over your chest restricts your blood flow.

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      • Squirrelanna@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Real Chad’s don’t let some dumb straps stop them from pumping blood like a REAL PATRIOT! B)

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    • jjjalljs@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      People are emotional. They feel things, and then make up justifications for it afterwards. We all do this to some extent, in some contexts or others, but some people seem to do it the majority of the time.

      Someone who smokes and has a choice between admitting they fucked up, they’re hurting themselves and those around them, OR denying it so they’re just a persecuted innocent? A lot of people will go for the latter. It’s weakness and cowardice, but saying that won’t change their mind. If results are wanted we have to do the very arduous task of massaging their emotions and I kind of resent that thankless, endless, work. Even though I almost certainly am the same way about other things.

      Humans are a mess.

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      • thejoker954@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        As a former smoker (now vaper) I understand and agree with non smokers about smoking inside.

        However the people who bitch about smokers outside in public piss me off.

        Yes my cigarette (now vape) is soooooo much worse than the exhaust of the thousands of cars /generators/construction equipment and so on that are constantly running all around us.

        But out of sight out of mind. They can’t see all that exhaust shit so it doesn’t exist - But those fucking smokers how dare they.

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  • tcrpz@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    x.com/trueslazac/status/1911478663222026750

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  • yarr@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Banning asbestos is like discarding our heritage! 🦸 It’s American ingenuity, jobs, safety in its most patriotic form. Asbestos has protected us for generations—why abandon this true-blue hero for trendy orthodoxy? Let’s celebrate our history and defend what truly makes America great. #AsbestosPatriotism 🗽✨

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    • taiyang@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      My pa knows a guy who lost his job installing asbestos and if we stop using it you know CHINA is gonna use and make big fools of us, it’s pathetic. Plus the news SAYS it’s a witch hunt boiled up by BIG LUNG to steal money from hard working asbestos loving Americans 🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷

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  • callouscomic@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    In 2018, the U.S. idiot-in-chief tried to bring it back again.

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    • ToiletFlushShowerScream@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yes! How do people not remember this?

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      • drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Because a thousand other crazy things happened.

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  • inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    In America sure.

    Rest of the world, it would be very much limited to a very, very small minority that would be lost to cancer.

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