Submitted 1 year ago by tigerjerusalem@lemmy.world to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
You know, DOGE, fascist president and corporations dictating what people can do, institutions being ruined, laws being ignored. Is there any way out of that or is it over? Is the USA done?
If we don’t get a handle on the debt it will be like Greece 2.0
Lol, Greece and US are as comparable financially as a dog and Uranus are.
You don’t understand history try to again.
Magic 8 Ball says: Most Likely
No. It’s going to get worse for a while, maybe forever, but it won’t ever collapse until outside forces put boots on the ground. The thing about the USA is that it’s the United States, not singular state, so even if the Federal Entity is in turmoil or even collapses: the USA will continue operating at limited capacity.
The day that the USA is done will be the beginning of the third great war.
I would say so. The only question is whether the good guys win a civil war. My money is on ‘yes’, since Yarvin’s Cabal is hellbent on exiling all of the competent people from their society, along with being jackasses who have alienated many peoples. It will be a bloody struggle, but I think that Dogey America will ultimately receive the Old Yeller treatment. I only hope that every member of Yarvin’s Cabal are executed - Elon, Thiel, ect.
Let’s not make the mistakes of the 1st Civil War, 1st Business Plot, and 2nd World War, where many high ranking members were permitted to escape justice. These worms will insist on burrowing into the apple, and ultimately destroy the very thing that allowed them to live in prosperity.
Who will fight that civil war? The American population is overfed and entertained and way too docile for such things.
I hate to say it, but yes. Everything we’ve predicted from trump has come true thus far.
The insurrection was predicted
The migrant camps were predicted
The ice raids were predicted
Roe v Wade was predicted
Selling Giving Ukraine to Russia was predicted
Banning DEI was predicted
The list goes on but more importantly these were all seen as hypothetical worst case scenarios. We should stop treating the next steps like they are hypothetical. America has fallen, and civil war is next.
Former presidents at least recognized they had the responsibility to take care of both the people who voted for them and the people who didn’t. Trump only sees the people who voted for him and the people he needs to make an example of.
I hate to say it, but the DNC is weak and won’t help us anymore. I supported Kamala like hell and believed that they could figure it out but they just don’t and won’t.
I’m not a violent person. I hate the thought that I’d ever be forced into a situation where I need to either learn how to fight or die (because right now I’m SOL). I never wanted to find myself rooting for assassins and feeling like the world would be better off of certain people were dead. I’d rather believe the world would be better off if certain people were alive.
But all I see in the future is a federal coup backed by sycophants in the Senate and supreme Court that then collides with the governors of blue states who won’t bend the knee.
TL;Dr if we don’t go full dictator, we are going to civil war, and we deserve it.
When has the DNC last helped us regular people? I abandoned that sclerotic. spineless, feckless, ineffectual organization over a decade ago.
Former presidents at least recognized they had the responsibility to take care of both the people who voted for them and the people who didn’t.
I wonder if Americans are going to rewrite history to rehabilitate Trump the same way they do their other former presidents.
rewrite history
History is so full of rewrites that historians aren’t even in agreement on a lot of it.
Should he allow for elections again he will be given the same reverence as Regan. I only found out about how much of a monster he was in Junior/ Senior year of highschool and I grew up in Lefty Godless Seattle.
Whatever the Fed is now is going to be an existential threat to many people if it isn’t already. Governors will start picking sides I think. The Illinois governor made a pretty bold statement today.
We have a surveillance state, though, and they control it and the narrative.
People will need to get it together fast.
I live in Chicago now and I’m proud of our city for resisting so hard.
With the ICE raids, Trump’s immigration thugs complained that Chicago is near impossible to work with because they are met with such fierce resistance. We’ve been prepped for how to deal with ICE, and Gov. Pritzker and Mayor Johnson have been helpful with that.
The main complaint is that we all know our rights and ICE can’t just bulldoze through our city. Guess we’re the town of law and order 🤷
Sorry NYC, your mayor is a chicken shit who would tattle on Anne Frank before the Nazis got to the door.
What are some major relevant events that were predicted but haven’t happened yet?
Federal abortion ban
Gay marriage ban
Derecognizing trans people, oh wait that happened
Reviving the war on drugs by forcing states to criminalize weed
Ending the ACA
Ending any and every environmental protection entity
Ending the two term limit for the president
Banning protests and strikes
Criminalize being homeless, oh wait that happened
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Protests erupt, at first peaceful until live ammunition is used as a suppressant. From this radical groups will likely work with established gangs to create an insurgency. Governors will be forced to either comply with the federal government, or may choose to unite with other governors to defy the federal forces as they see the writing on the wall. It will be a legal battle at first, but then there will likely be an inciting event that will create an interstate crisis. This crisis will either divide state governments, force them under trump, or they will collapse altogether. The battle lines won’t be drawn on state lines, but rather between rural and urban territories. It will be more ethereal much like what happened in Syria.
From an international perspective, the new Bloc of resistance (Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea) will use this chance to advance their agendas. Russia will absolutely support the Trump government, while China will invade Taiwan easily, and then try to keep America slightly stable but still as weak as possible. North Korea and Iran will likely send aid to the other members but not engage directly.
Canada and the EU will have likely close their borders long before this as our alliance deteriorated due to Trump’s intense isolationism.
If you thought Brexit was a shot in the foot, we just straight up pulled a pin on a grenade and put it in our pocket.
Trump only sees the people who voted for him and the people he needs to make an example of
Let’s not pretend like Trump gives a shit about the people who voted for him.
Very fair take.
That said he’s not a full on idiot. MAGAts are useful tools for him, so he is more likely to try and make them happy, in some way. Currently the way to make them happy is to punish the left. In our post 9/11 USA, rage is what flips seats.
W Bush won his second term because we were blind with rage after the attacks, and John Kerry didn’t run a counter rage campaign.
Obama won because the financial crash enraged the left.
Obama won his second term because Romney wasn’t able to stir up the needed rage.
Trump won because he was the embodiment of rage.
Biden won by the rage we had for Trump in the summer of 2020.
Trump won again by running a campaign of rage vs Kamala who ran a “campaign of joy”.
We are a country of 50 mini countries. All you need to do to win is generate enough rage to pit purple states against the states who won’t vote for you. So long as this country stands as it is, this is just how it’s going to be. Sadly any diplomatic fixes for this are pipe dreams now.
The only way this will end is when the fire of rage consumes the whole system and burns it down. After that… I don’t know.
I’m really hoping that Churchill’s quote about Americans doing the right thing is evergreen, because this first month (!!!) of Trump has been A LOT.
I feel like we’re really close to having tried every alternative by now, right?..right?
Bullet box has yet to be opened. But I can hear the hinges creaking.
Yes and and beyond screwed.
None of this is good, and it’s going to cause a lot of big problems across just about everything but, theoretically at least, none of it is unsalvageable.
Remember that elections are run by the states, not the federal government.
So unless you live in one of the most hardcore Trump-sucking red states, you likely will be able to vote in 2026 and 2028, your vote will probably be fairly counted, and you will be able to determine not just the makeup of Congress 2 years from now, but also the types of people that we send to represent our interests and fight back against Trump.
Of course, Trump is wasting no time grabbing power, but it still remains to be seen whether or not Congress and the Supreme Court will surrender their power enough for him to get away with it. As much as the massive cucked-out bitches in Congress and SCOTUS pretend they love Trump, they actually hate his guts and are just as hungry for their own power as he is for his.
Finally there is the possibility of a genuine constitutional crisis in which Trump rejects the concept of shared power by coequal branches of government, in which case the entire constitution is rendered null and void and the USA completely ceases to exist as a federal entity and the union breaks down.
This would probably lead to a civil war, in which case the side that wins is the one that has the best logistics and strategy.
You’re forgetting that the US military is what would be pointed at the blue states, not random rednecks. No way in Hell Mexico or Canada will be fighting that, nor should they be expected to.
You’re forgetting that there are plenty of people, bases and equipment in blue territory. The neo-confederates will have no access to trade as they will very quickly be cut off from both the Pacific and Atlantic coasts, and you’ve already blown any chance at a alliance with neighboring countries. These dumb fuck Republicans in flyover country have already painted themselves into a corner and they don’t even know it.
Come what may. We will fight, and we have all the infrastructure, money and equipment to win against y’all fat ass redneck farm boys.
My congressman with an infamous Christmas card ran unopposed in 2024.
Looks like I’M running against him in 2026.
Your confidence in blue states is misplaced. Canada and Mexico will not come to save them.
Need I remind you how the last civil war went?
The west and the north east will be ready to fight, and we have plenty of military bases, equipment, infrastructure, logistics, money and people to fight with. The neo-confederate rednecks will be cut off from trade in every direction, as we quickly take both coasts and form alliances with neighboring countries. People in Buttfuck, Oklahoma will be eating dust.
All the 400 lb good ol’ boy mall ninja rednecks in the world are not going to be able to face the reality of what will come to them if they fuck with the west coast.
For what it’s worth, my congress cretin is loving polishing trump’s asshole and ceding away congressional oversight to the executive branch. At a town hall lady week, he said that the DOGE department was always DOGE, they just changed the acronym (wat?!) and it was always under the executive branch, not an independent federal agency.
There is a grain of truth and all of that.
It was essentially an IT department under the executive branch, the I don’t think anybody had even been staffed at since September. Trump basically renamed it and gave it a new mission statement.
They picked a department, and converted it into Doge. They did this essentially to bypass congressional approval, because the department was already there.
And then we burn Atlanta again!
We take the Pacific and Atlantic coasts first, blockade the gulf and then move inwards with our allies from all sides.
Of course. Atlanta gets burned in every timeline.
There is saying things, there is not doing things, and there is doing things.
Trump could say: “What if there was one day where there was no laws and people could just do anything, like the purge…” and… oh, he did say that during his first term. And democracy still survived. Saying things just make people loose respect for America. It is why Obama got the Nobel peace prize. Cause he stopped saying the shit that Bush was saying.
What people should be worried about is actions and inactions. It takes competency to do things. The more fascist a thing Trump wants to do, the more competent people leave and the less likely it is to be done. The true problem is it takes no level of competency to not do a thing.
So Trump’s end game is “Ask not what your country can do for you … because it can no longer do that.”
Unfortunately he’s following the playbook of people who do know how to do things and accomplish goals. And they were much better prepared this time than in 2016.
I thought that Obama won the NPP because of Norwegian political stuff involving NATO.
Well, yes, but it was a very weak case - but people were so sick of Bush that that was enough.
Unless there’s a coup when the Supreme Court finds against Trump and he ignores them and Republicans keep Congress from holding him accountable the only way the Court will let them.
fascist president and corporations dictating what people can do, institutions being ruined, laws being ignored.
Sounds like USA authorities are stronger than ever. People have been screwed for a while.
en.wikipedia.org/…/2010s_global_surveillance_disc…
this was under obama
Duh.
Next question.
I heard there was a mentor coming to fix this soon…sorry, I apologize. I mean to say Meteor. Chances of landing up my own ass have increased once more. I probably won’t feel it so I’m not too worried about it.
Mom’s gonna fix it all, soon. Mom’s coming 'round to put it back the way it oughta be.
How many realize Doge was originally a misspelling of Dodge, used to describe scams and confidence games?
Are you… are you being serious?
[Citation needed]
It’ll take decades to repair it
Nah. Just ignore all laws that slow it down.
It won’t and shouldn’t be repaired. We’re not going to kintsugi the republic back together.
Oooo kintsugi. Nice metaphor.
Unless you get good with a sniper rifle its going to stay screwed for ever. Or if you actually have the gall to try to annex one of your neighbours. Then we’ll take care of your problem for you.
Have you read about US History? I recommend looking at presidents Andrew Jackson, Woodrow Wilson, and Richard Nixon.
Nixon was a CIA takeout, same as jfk.
CIA/OSS blue bloods have been running USA since the JP Morgan bailout of the fed.
Well, it depends on how you define the USA. You mean the Republic of the United States of America? Yeah, no, that’s dead. It is currently dead. It died when the SCOTUS made the president functionally beyond criminal prosecution, and everyone has just kind of been playing weekend at Bernie’s since then (though the Trump administration is dropping the pretense pretty quickly). Don’t get me wrong, it’s been dying for a long time, but that was the exact moment it was declared dead. No matter what happens, the republic as we knew it is dead and is not coming back. Nobody believes in the constitution anymore; among our leadership there are only either those who are in a hurry to destroy it, or those who are unwilling to defend it. I think a lot of the American populace haven’t believed in the constitution as an effective charter for governance for a while, too. Imo, we’re less than a year from the legislature being dissolved in some fashion of another, unless they just hang on like some ceremonial vestigial organ.
What we get to decide now is what comes next. That’s what nobody’s sure about. Are we going to have a middle-east style theocratic government? Italian fascism? Maybe the military defends the constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic and we re-form the republic? German fascism? Neofeudalism? Peaceful balkanization? Hot balkanization? COULD IT BE?! BY GOD, it’s the ghost of Lenin with a steel chair! Or maybe we’ll get something entirely new? It’s frankly impossible to guess while we’re living in it. I think cold balkanization is both the most likely and most optimistic scenario. IN THE MEANWHILE, yeah, you’re still going to see all the window trimmings of the USA; the maps will still say USA, we’ll at least nominally still have the things that make America America (like the constitution still sitting in its fancy protective case, as though the GOP didn’t just wipe Trump’s ass with it), it’ll all look weirdly normal while they make the republic’s corpse do a funny little jig.
I mean, the American Constitution is dogshit. The people who wrote it didn’t even mean half of it, and the other half became out of date about when globalisation took off. It’s not surprising nobody wants to defend it, the U.S. Republic has been desperately, desperately overdue for a revision.
maybe we’ll get something entirely new?
The French are on their fifth republic already. A new constitution with better guardrails and different voting system is possible. The USA has a very deeply ingrained idea of freedom and democracy and is unlikely to lose it completely. It might be a good idea to already start thinking about how that new constitution should look like.
Balkanization or a civil war before that happens is certainly in the cards.
Maybe the military
Trump will try and purge all non loyalist officers from the military. That could lead to a fracturing of the military. California for example has big navy, air force, and marines bases, as well as military industry. The states have national guards already and whole units could defect from the federal military to the guard.
If that leads to an internal cold war, balkanization, or a civil war remains to be seen. It will make the US far less able to project force internationally. Queue China taking Taiwan without much US intervention.
I think if there is a new Constitution, it would need to incorporate economic rights. People can’t abandon work to strike or protest, which negates the voice of the poor and working man alike. The wealthy can afford to voice their politics, which is likely the biggest reason why Yarvin’s Cabal succeeded. Ordinary people simply can’t dedicate the time to research nor influence politics.
Trump will try and purge all non loyalist officers from the military. That could lead to a fracturing of the military.
We should ask what happens when there are a large amount of military trained men that are suddenly let loose and returned to the population, but I can’t think of a single time that’s happened…
’s the ghost of Lenin with a steel chair! Or maybe we’ll get something entirely new? It’s frankly impossible to guess while we’re living in it. I think cold balkanization is both the most likely and most optimistic scenario. IN THE MEANWHILE, yeah, you’re still going to see all the window trimmings of the USA; the maps will still say USA, we’ll at least nominally still have the things that make America America (like the constitution still sitting in its fancy protective case, as though the GOP didn’t just wipe Trump’s ass with it), it’ll all look weirdly normal while they make the republic’s corpse do a funny little jig.
to date, that 400,000,000 pew-pew stick and freedom rod are proving super effective against tyranny. Civil was is becoming more and more likely though.
The problem is who holds them. The majority are the ones that voted for this crap.
4 of the richest men in the world who own 7/10 of the most popular websites on the internet donated to and sat at The Presidents inauguration. They own the information pipeline and can literally control propaganda completely unchecked and unsupervised. Most of those gun toting freedom fighters use those platforms because it’s all they know.
There isn’t going to be any Civil War. It’s just going to be a slow rotation into what Russia currently is now. Little by little by little, hardly noticable changes, over a long enough period of time (say 4 years or so), until one day they wake up and say “Well, it was better then but there’s nothing we can do about it now.” and go about their day.
I think cold balkanization is both the most likely and most optimistic scenario.
I’m curious why you think it’s most likely. Most optimistic, I agree.
Okay, here we go
The US is fucking YUGE. Historically speaking, it’s very, very difficult to keep countries that span huge geographic areas together. There seems to be some fundamental limit of size per population that can be tolerated before your cultural and geographic differences start becoming significant enough to start forming separate identities. The US has like 14 such subregions, and each one has a little different idea of what “America” means to them. A strong single national identity is not the default case here, you’ve got to really work at it or have some big unifying cause, which we no longer have.
We already have pre-fabricated governments in the form of state governments. State governments tend to be pretty strong, in the sense that they tend to have a whole lot of administrative capacity, much stronger imo than what I believe of European provincial governments. The whole original idea was that the states were mostly independent states joined together under a trade federation and it’s government. Of course, it hasn’t been that for a long time, but that’s the root that we grew up from.
We have almost no history of state on state violence, and most Americans do share some sense of national identity. Maybe not a strong one anymore, but it’s there. I think most people would be pretty shocked about the idea of going to war with another state.
This isn’t really an ideological separation, as much as the federal government is just, like, vanishing in a puff of smoke. There’s a lot of states where they’ve depended on the federal government’s administrative capacity to handle stuff, and that’s just going away in a real haphazard, scattershot way. At some point, these states will ask themselves “if we’re handling all this shit ourselves, what the hell are we sending the Fed tax dollars for?”
Lol wut. It died a lot longer ago
Okay, I’m not trying to be shitty with you, I’m actually interested. Why don’t you make your case for when you think the US republic died?
“screwed” seems a little mild to describe it
yes the country is going to cease to exit tomorrow. i know this is “no stupid questions” but damn dude
Yes, and we knew this would be the outcome the second he won the election. I’m staying in the U.S. because my life is worthless anyway and I’d prefer death in glorious revolution than survival, but anyone who values their life should have started their plans to leave in August 2024 when it became obvious he was going to sieze control.
Until November 2024, there was actually a good chance for Trump’s plans to be foiled. But yeah, after that the case’s been quite clear. Those were the last presidential elections of USA. Or, at least the last ones were the votes matter.
Pfft, this is almost hilariously naive. Unless you think Kamala Harris seriously had a chance of winning an 80%+ landslide victory, Trump’s election was determined when our Supreme Court made a clearly partisan ruling declaring Trump was an untouchable king. At that moment, it became clear that any contested election would be resolved by the SC in Trump’s favor, ala Bush v Gore in 2000.
I’m as disappointed as anyone else that he won cleanly, but Trump was inevitable. He’s been inevitable for decades. No country becomes fascist overnight, the American people have been voting towards this outcome since before I was born.
Wolverines!
More and more every day…
Historically, it has to get worse before it gets better. It’s gonna suck for a while, but I have faith that humanity will come to it’s senses when things start getting bad enough. I hope this whole mess will be the catalyst that leads to great change in humanity in the future.
Intensionally, the USA is going to lose its status as a hyperpower. Europe is going to decouple from American defense policy to the point where I can see American military bases close in Europe. An anti-Chinese military alliance will function with or without the USA anchored by India and Japan, but I see that force yielding some territory to China in the near term. There will probably be an increase in the number of wars in general as regions go into conflict without an American threat to maintain borders. Nothing the USA does is likely going to fix this.
Domestically, the administration is the greatest threat to the republic since the Civil War. If Trump is able to be pushed out in the future, there is going to need to be a major re-evaluation of how the American federal government works. This is going to require constitutional changes and the removal of major powers that the President has collected as the federal government grew.
Yes.
The amount of harm already done to your country by Trump and Musk is immeasurable, and will take a generation or more to recover from.
The amount of harm done to your standing in the world is equally bad. The world was skeptical after Trump’s first term fucked over the rest of the world, but we were hopeful that maybe the US had learned their lesson?
Nope. They elected a fascist. They RE-elected a known fascist, felon, rapist, idiot-child, psychopath. Worse, they bolstered Musk to get into a seat of unauthorized and unimaginable power.
When Trump announced his idiotic tarrifs, Canada collectively said “that’s it - we’re divorcing.” When he pulled back on the idea for 30 days, Canada said “don’t care, still divorcing.”
Trump is following the exact model of HItler, and it’s only a matter of time until he actually invades either Greenland or Canada if he’s not stopped. The USA has to collapse into ruin and rebuild from scratch before anyone is going to trust them again.
We’re on the way down. The Right in this country (well, really, everywhere, but it’s more maniacal here) are growing more unhinged. The Dems keep pulling to the right as a result (since at least the 80s). The overtone window keeps shifting. We’re absolutely fucked.
William F Buckley was a major source of inspiration for the Right for decades. I recently watched his debate with James Baldwin at Cambridge in 1965. He argued racist points about Black single moms, but he tried to sound compassionate and denounced racism. He hid his racism in plain sight but sounded educated. There’s nothing like that now. “They’re eating the dogs.”
what do you mean “done”? the answer is obviously no, but i want to know more specifically what your question is. why was this even posted? where is your house
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 1 year ago
It depends on if Baron is like his father or not.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Source?
reiterationstation@lemm.ee 1 year ago
You’re sure? I’ve had this hunch because, well, obviously, but I don’t know for sure.