Does emulation count?
I'm doing my part!
Submitted 2 months ago by The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world to retrogaming@lemmy.world
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Gullible@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It should! It’s allowed me to play so many games that are hard to find or expensive these days.
otp@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
The survey question seems to make it seem like it’s referring to original hardware, but I imagine a lot of respondents didn’t limit it that way.
With emulation being common even officially these days (NSO, emulated games on Steam, etc), I think it’s fair to factor that in as well.
grue@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I still own my real SNES from circa-1995, but I’d rather play on an emulator than put wear and tear on it, so yes.
whotookkarl@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yes, the survey summary below shows no exceptions for physical hardware vs emulation in the question
samus12345@lemm.ee 2 months ago
The percentage should be way, way higher, then, since lost of people use the emulators on Nintendo Switch Online.
dan@upvote.au 2 months ago
Only if you use an emulator released before the year 2000.
CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Given that nowhere in the article does it say that 14% of people exclusively play on pre-2000 hardware I don’t find this that surprising.
I’m more shocked by the last statistic, 11% of American households still use fax. Fax? Fuckin’ why? That’s like saying people still listen to music on Edison cylinders.
whotookkarl@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Signatures as a form of authorization I think held up the facsimile tech way past it’s best by date
nickhammes@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Fax is commonly used at least in the US because it has regulatory recognition as a secure means of transferring information, it’s highly interoperable, and it doesn’t really have a successor that has caused the network effect to die out entirely.
11% seems slightly higher than I’d expect, but not crazy. Contracts, medical records, interactions with the government are all good reasons to need to send or receive one occasionally. That about 1 in 10 households did last year? Makes some sense.
Hawke@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Seems crazy to me. I can’t imagine that 1 in 10 household even have fax machines. All the stuff you mention is business and medical stuff. Nobody faxes in their medical requests from home.
toynbee@lemmy.world 2 months ago
According to American Dad! widespread continued use would have gotten us the blorfer.
Carrot@lemmy.today 2 months ago
I give my fax number to anything that asks me for a phone number. It’s a valid number that can’t recieve calls, meaning when my number is inevitably leaked/purchased by telemarketers, scammers, etc. I don’t even notice.
tiramichu@lemm.ee 2 months ago
“Still” is completely the wrong term here.
A good chunk of the people playing on retro systems never even owned half the systems back in the day which they have collected now. Or they might be new people getting into the hobby who perhaps weren’t even born when those systems were current.
People can’t “still” be doing something that they were NOT doing before!
Such a strange way to phrase it, for a hobby which is more popular now than it ever was.
So it’s tot
Hawke@lemmy.world 2 months ago
People can’t “still” be doing something that they were NOT doing before!
An individual cannot but a group of people can.
“Children are still fascinated by sticks” is as true as always, even though the individual children have mostly grown up, grown old, and died.
jj4211@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Being able to actually play neo Geo games would make young me so envious Also the full arcade version of games with a button for “insert coin”.
doingthestuff@lemy.lol 2 months ago
It’s true and I love the newcomers. But my NES and N64 were both purchased at release and are still one-owner. And used regularly. I also have a 4070ti but I love those old systems.
capuccino@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I hate this >:( Let me exaplain myself. What I hate is that way that people see videogames, like, if you play something old you are stuck in the past, but hey! If you read a book that is 100yo or watch a movie that is 40yo it is okay! but if you play in atari, what are you? a caveman?
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That stigma seems to be getting slightly better, but it’s always bothered me.
“OMG you’ve been playing that game for hours! Why don’t you go DO something! You’re rotting your brain!!” -Someone who’s about to sit in front of the TV until they fall asleep.
skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
I just openly laughed right at them when I was told that, especially because my dad was no longer able to keep up with my math homework by the seventh grade.
These days I’m out on my own, with a house and a fiancée, still play video games as a primary hobby, and he’s a Trump voter in a shitty apartment that doesn’t talk about anything except crying about all the n[REDACTED]s and transes. One of us sure rotted his brain and I’m pretty confident saying it probably wasn’t me.
partial_accumen@lemmy.world 2 months ago
What I hate is that way that people see videogames, like, if you play something old you are stuck in the past
I must not operate in those circles. I’ve never heard that before, but I’m also old and playing old games and fewer newer ones.
ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 2 months ago
I’m kind of mixed on that depending on the game. In general I say I’d rather the kids play a game than watch a show because it’s interactive rather than just pushing mush into their face.
The other side though is how so many games (most notoriously mobile ones) are so keyed into scratching those little itches to keep someone playing for way longer than should be healthy.
lemmyng@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Just because a game is old doesn’t mean it’s not fun. How old are the board and card games again?
The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Hell, chess is huge right now, and it’s over 1500 years old.
Yingwu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Don’t forget Backgammon. World’s oldest board game!
theangryseal@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’ve been playing Zombies Ate My Neighbors on original hardware today haha. On my old Apple color monitor.
I mostly game on old systems or my steam deck.
hardcoreufo@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Oh man such a great game. Great couch co-op.
theangryseal@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yeah I tormented my poor daughter with it when she was younger. I did not have the patience to get her through it lol.
Now that she’s older we do great.
einlander@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The PS1, N64, Saturn, and the Dreamcast are pre 2000 systems.
Zexks@lemmy.world 2 months ago
My wireless snes controllers just came in yesterday. Love em.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 months ago
I wonder how many people “still” drive cars “released” before 2000?
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I really need to get around to buying a SNES. I have an NES as well but it’s dead. eBay the best spot to get either of these consoles?
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 2 months ago
My brother and I have opposing views on this.
He likes to collect hardware. He loves buying old systems and cartridges.
I like to collect software. Very few games are worth much to me individually, but I love the ability to fire up any old game when it pops in my head.
I ended up buying an SNES Mini on eBay that was jacked and loaded with ROMs from EVERY system it was capable of running. I understand wanting the original hardware, but for me, getting EVERYTHING preloaded for about $200 just made more sense for me.
I have bought two of those hacked systems from the same seller. I can check if they still offer them, and share a link to the product, but only if someone asks for the info. I’m not trying to promote anyone, but I feel like this is a market that could be prone to fakes, and I personally would appreciate someone suggesting a trustworthy seller.
grue@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Do that, but get a Raspberry Pi and put ROMs on it yourself instead of buying shady, possibly backdoored stuff.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’m still trying to find a place that can resurrect my Atari 7800.
I have so many games for it.
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Same, but a 2600. A hand me down from one of my older cousins
maxprime@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
I look on local classifieds. But a lot of people inflate the price.
I picked up an SNES junior for $50 at a garage sale a few years ago. Finds like that are rare but they do exist.
BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
If you have the money for it and really want to go hardcore into the scene, you might look into an FPGA like the Super-nt. They typically aren’t like all of those emulation boxes out there, compatible with real SNES cartridges and accessories but don’t have to worry about the issues with aging hardware and works mostly native with modern TVs/etc. It’s very expensive, but it’s also definitely very cool.
BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Source: timeextension.com/…/14-percent-of-north-americans…
References this site: consumerreports.org/…/holding-on-to-physical-medi…
Actual data here: …consumerreports.org/…/Consumer_Reports_AES_May_2…
Actual question references "Classic videogame systems that came out before 2000, like the NES or GameBoy " of which 14% responded yes out of a group of 2022 surveyed in North America (demographic details available in link).
CorrodedCranium@leminal.space 2 months ago
Does it in anyway phrase the question to reference real hardware or original versions?
I feel like a lot of people emulate (including using Nintendo Switch Online) or play modernized remixes of titles like Super Mario 99
BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Full text is ‘Below are some types of visual media that some might consider old or outdated. Which, if any, have you used in the past year?’ and that is an item on the list, it’s not an incredibly detailed survey.
I will say from the rest of the survey responses, the demographics they’ve selected seem to lean more technically competent and security focused than I’d expect.
Visstix@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That… doesn’t sound right. 14% is a ridiculous amount of people.
everett@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Full survey data. That’s far from the only stat that’s hard to believe.
dan69@lemmy.world 2 months ago
🫡
SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Come on, Call of Duty is not that old! /s
The problem is people keep buying new versions of the same games released around 2000.
ekZepp@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Playing retro games from my Steam Deck
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Playing FF7 on my Steam Deck with the old school PS1 loading screen chefs kiss
maxprime@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
My 3080ti is mostly used for snes and n64 emulation.
AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Red Alert 2 on a 4090
Zink@programming.dev 2 months ago
I care more about the backups of my ROM collection than I do about my tax returns or resume or other “important” crap.
If I can’t just decide to replay Mario 2 or Simon’s Quest or Chrono Trigger or Symphony of the Night when I’m in my 70s, then what is all this fancy technology we’ve invented really good for?
JoeKis@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I mean you OWNED the games after purchase back then, now the publishers and game studios can revoke your “purchased” license anytime…
demizerone@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I do. I don’t want or need top notch graphics. My ps5 collects dust.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Games don’t exist beyond the 1980-1999 filter on Gog, tbh.
HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Does software count?
I’m knee deep in Caesar II and Total Annihilation campaigns
Hawke@lemmy.world 2 months ago
There’s not a lot of video games that don’t have software.
You’d have to back to what, Pong? I see Monaco GP from 1979 listed as one of the last TTL-based games from Sega, but not sure about other companies.
HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I should’ve just said PC, I don’t know what I was thinking
My brain must have just frozen when I was trying to think of a word in the absence of console
Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Emulated games are free, polished, complete
Modern games are $80+ steaming incomplete pile of shit
This mystery will never be solved.
MeaanBeaan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I assume they’re referring to actual hardware. I’d imagine the percentage of gamers playing emulated games is much higher than 14%.
finkrat@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Modern games: requires $300+ game console or a $300+ GPU to get 30 FPS
Retro games: runs on your grandma’s Dell Pavilion still running Windows XP that she refuses to stop using