I believe 4 of the Cybertruck fatalities were from a single crash. While the truck may indeed be dangerous, there is hardly enough data yet to draw conclusions.
The Cybertruck Appears to Be More Deadly Than the Infamous Ford Pinto, According to a New Analysis
Submitted 1 year ago by floofloof@lemmy.ca to technology@lemmy.world
https://futurism.com/the-byte/cybertruck-ford-pinto-comparison
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DrunkEngineer@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Hawanja@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I mean, it’s fatal to my eyes, because it’s so ugly.
jdeath@lemm.ee 1 year ago
yeah certainly not enough to have statistical significance
TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I was driving out of a parking lot yesterday just as a Cybertruck started to pull in off the street from the left. The driver was white-knuckling the wheel and was frantically looking around as I assume he could barely see out of the goddamn thing as he swung so wide he nearly clipped my car. He needed almost the entire driveway to make his turn.
I cannot imagine dropping so much money on something so useless and so hideous.
jdeath@lemm.ee 1 year ago
well i hate to say this (really i do), turning is actually one of the only strong points about the CT. It can do a u-turn in the same-ish radius as a model 3, much better than most vehicles in its class.
that driver was just a fucking moron
y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
that driver was just a fucking moron
I mean, he bought a cybertruck lol
SphereofWreckening@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The thing is a very obvious death trap to anyone that knows simple physics. There are videos testing what happens when a Cybertruck hits a hard wall at certain speeds. That thing didn’t crumple at all until speeds greater than 35 mph. And even then it only barely crumples at all. The damage it could produce hitting another vehicle would be catastrophic and fatal.
brygphilomena@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Do they have emergency releases on the outside? I know a locked door of a car with traditional latching mechanisms won’t open. But an unlocked vehicle where a bystander cannot render aid in an emergency seems so… Short sighted.
Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 1 year ago
It is on purposes. He wants a cyberpunk fantasy car. You know what you can do in many cyberpunk games? Blow up cars with the slightest of ease. They’re made of explodium in some games, and in Cyberpunk 2077 there is a quickhack (like a magic spell, but cyberpunk) that can cause the car to literally explode.
Can you imagine for one second if someone managed to find a way to consistently connect to Tesla vehicles AND found a way to cause the battery to overheat and burn? The door autolock will cause the passengers to be trapped and be burned alive.
I don’t think this is an accident. No one can be that stupid to make something like that by accident.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 1 year ago
m.youtube.com/watch?v=O2fUhCCuTto
Not in the outside, but the rear releases are hidden in the door well under a vanity mat
mombutt_long_and_low@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I was thinking “What’s that red stu—oh…” Yikes.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Melted plastic… right? Yup imma say it’s melted platic
thann@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
But at least its bulletproof!
riodoro1@lemmy.world 1 year ago
To bb guns
stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
No shit, it’s literally just a big bullet. A wrecking ball on wheels.
Jericho_Kane@lemmy.org 1 year ago
The only thing that makes the cyberfuck safe is it’s pricetag and it’s virgin protector looks
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 1 year ago
But it is so financially efficient! It isn’t wasting money on safety.
FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m guessing that some people at the National Transportation Safety Board are about to get fired by Elon Musk.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Safety belts are a waste of precious money!
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Safe at any speed!
T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Won’t someone think of the shareholders!
Intergalactic@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Can we like, mark this as NSFW?
xapr@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
Cybertruck will have 14.52 fatalities per 100,000 units — far eclipsing the Pinto’s 0.85.
Holy shit, that means the Cybertruck fatality rate is around 17 times higher than the Pinto’s!
Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Do you realize how fucking insane that is? From 1921 to 1951 the rate of auto deaths dropped by around 50%, and from 1921 to 2011 the rate dropped by 90%. This is not just due to regulations on cars and pedestrian travel, but also in very large part due to crash safety in cars that steadily improved. With crash safety becoming a science, and crash test dummies being invented, and crumple zones, and air bags and seatbelts and the laws thereof.
Musk, asshole motherfucker that he is, is trying to destroy all of that.
xapr@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
Absolutely! What’s weird is that Teslas have been top-rated for crash-worthiness in the past, so there are a few possibilities I can think of:
- They need to be top crash-worthy, because of the stupid autopilot trying its best to kill the occupants
- They need to be top crash-worthy, because otherwise any crash at all would result in a fiery death
- The Cybertruck is an outlier and is not as crash-worthy as the previous Teslas
- All of the above
What was that rule of thumb for taking multiple choice tests? If you don’t know the answer, always select “all of the above”?
Greee1911@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If you read the article is was specifically died by fire. Not any other cause of death.
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
Right but the specific issue with the Pinto was that it would explode into flames on a rear impact, so this is the appropriate metric.
Like deaths from other accidents would skew the numbers anyway becausd 70s cars were death traps compared to today, but even in that context, the Pinto’s explosions were alarming.
Beating it on that isolated metric is a very special kind of achievement.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Top of the line in utility sports.
Unexplained fires are a matter for the courts.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Wish I could find data on all fatalities/100,000
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 1 year ago
Tesla #1
LordWiggle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
No. Shit. Sherlock.
JesusTheCarpenter@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Is it me or are there guts in this picture?
catloaf@lemm.ee 1 year ago
The driver was inside the vehicle at the time, so I’m sure some of that is his remains. But a lot is probably burned seat material and such. It’s hard to say for sure.
floofloof@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Hard to tell. The picture was widely used in the media, and they’re usually quite careful about that kind of thing. There’s something reddish in it, but it could be material from the truck or its contents. One of the photos the police released of his guns had some read foamy material in it, another photo had some stringy red material (plastic?) lying in the road, and there were various red items in the bed too.
CrowAirbrush@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Apparently it’s a photo from “Cybertruck explosion outside Trump international hotel investigated for terror ties”
Intergalactic@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Looks like it 🤢
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I would trust a Smart Fortwo more than the POS Cybertruck.
BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Really took the wind out of my satirical comment that Musk wanted to bring back the Pinto.
RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Who needs satire when you have reality?
socialmedia@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It seems obvious in hindsight. Sheet metal doors will crumple in a way that can’t be opened, trapping occupants. The fire doesn’t need to start in the relatively safe and armored battery system. It could be pinched wiring causing a short that ignites plastic interiors, or a fire from another vehicle spreading to the cybertruck.
I’m sure someone mentioned all this to them during design.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Plus there’s the electronic opening mechanisms that fail in the event of a fire. This is on most Teslas iirc. Even if the doors are intact, you’re stuck.
There’s ways to open them, but good luck with this shit when you’re concussed from an accident, and sat in a burning vehicle.
FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 1 year ago
HUSH!!! DO NOT TELL THE CUCKWAGON OWNERS!!
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
1/6887 is not good odd.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Better than COVID…
cough.
notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Reads like clickbait. There’s 34K Cybetrucks, so the actual number of fire fatalities is rounded to 5, one of which is the trumptower guy (so 20% is already intentional). Not that these are encouraging numbers, but you can’t draw conclusions from an N of 4. Not encouraging but insufficient to draw conclusions.
DrBob@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
You can draw conclusions because there’s only 35,000 on the road. That is a terrible rate.
notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world 1 year ago
that’s how confirmation bias works, not statistical probabilities.
EM’s still a nazi and the CT is a horrible joke, but this is still insufficient data.
slaacaa@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Climate Change Simulator
nwilz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The pinto is a myth
Pintos represented 1.9% of all cars on the road in the 1975–76 period. During that time, the car represented 1.9% of all “fatal accidents accompanied by some fire”. This implies the Pinto was average for all cars and slightly above average for its class.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Pinto#Retrospective_sa…yesman@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I love Elon Bad posts, but I think it’s worthwhile to examine why Elon bad in this case.
Like many reactionaries, Elon’s business philosophy is pure tech-bro-libertarianism. And like all libertarians, he’s stuck in the neoliberal mindset of less regulation (don’t scrutinize) and more efficiency (let me be cheap), in order to create the safe space that industrialists need to
extract, er create.He’s literally said things like (paraphrasing)
When I see a specification for three bolts I ask: why can’t we do it with two?
His transparent reasoning is that if he’s allowed to cut corners, he’ll save money today and consequences can be dealt with when they arise.
He’s following the software model of release a minimally viable product and patch it later. Only instead of user frustration at being beta testers, you fucking die maybe.
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
I wonder if Elon is a follower of Ayn Rand?
pyre@lemmy.world 1 year ago
oh god that quote. he’s so lame and fucking stupid.
I’m sure corner cutting is a concern but also he’s so insecure he probably read things about Steve Jobs or something, and tried to ape him. I remember something about Jobs supposedly telling employees to reduce steps in some processes or whatever. this idiot doesn’t understand anything so he thinks asking for fewer bolts is the same thing.
why can’t we do it in two? cause that’s how you secure things you fucking dumbass. your proud fascination for “fewer bolts” is why your hypercuck tried to kill a driver.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 1 year ago
He is like a child who is still rebelling against his parents who made him go to bed early too many times.
barsoap@lemm.ee 1 year ago
An MVP should not be a beta version, but fully functional and bug-free. The idea is to reduce scope to not necessarily even release it (though that’s possible) but to have a solid foundation onto which to duct-tape bells and whistles.
The MVP of a car doesn’t have heated seats, heck the seats might not even be adjustable without a wrench, but it’s absolutely going to drive and drive well and be crash-safe. Because if it doesn’t it’s nowhere close to being a viable car, go back and fix that before spending time on those seats.
GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
There’s nothing inherently wrong with a simplification mindset. Automotive manufacturers certainly do like to overcomplicate things. Unfortunately people like him only care about costs and not quality.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 year ago
is pure tech-bro-libertarianism
Tech bros are usually not libertarian. Being excited about a failed solution to only one of libertarian problems (blockchain) doesn’t make one libertarian, too.
And like all libertarians, he’s stuck in the neoliberal mindset of less regulation (don’t scrutinize) and more efficiency (let me be cheap)
That’s not libertarianism, more like Ayn Rand and her inverse bolshevism with good mighty benevolent industrial aristocracy and bad stupid mischievous everyone else. She even reads like one of Valentin Pikul’s “historical novels”, only with inverted good and bad guys. That ideology is radically different from libertarianism, instead of freedom, voluntarism, non-aggression and such, resulting in a free society with free contracts, Ayn Rand says that some people are better than the others and thus freedom, voluntarism, non-aggression etc are measures by relative value of the offender and the victim. It’s jungle law.
Anyway, it’s not “neoliberal” either, anti-monopoly regulations are part of the “ideal” free market model. And I think Elon likes patents and trademarks, which are not necessarily there (and in libertarianism are not a thing).
His transparent reasoning is that if he’s allowed to cut corners, he’ll save money today and consequences can be dealt with when they arise.
You might have seen the recent news about Tesla sales falling. Maybe it took so long because of accumulated trust into regulators not allowing car makers to make dangerous crap. So - then maybe in other reality, where Elon came to an industry already allowed to cut corners, he’d go bankrupt by now because of consumers understanding who he is.
Life is complex, I’m not saying he’s right, just that.
He’s following the software model of release a minimally viable product and patch it later. Only instead of user frustration at being beta testers, you fucking die maybe.
The way software industry works, a lot of people have died due to its failures. One has to count people who’ve committed suicide due to events cause by some bug or even UX problem, people who failed to communicate something in time, thus possibly saving someone, people who disclosed what they shouldn’t have, thus possibly causing a criminal death, medical errors due to software problems, wars, catastrophes.
But yes, it’s already allowed to do that and Elon wants such wonders in other industries, so that we’d have a bit of natural selection in our daily lives. Dystopian cyberpunk is called dystopian because it’s not utopian, but being a billionaire, I guess, one would dream of living in such instead of utopian version of boring past.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I think it’s also worth noting that Elon Musk is a scammer. Every other word out of his mouth is likely a lie. He’s been claiming to already have technologies available for his Tesla cars, his SpaceX rockets, etc, all ready to go and… it never happened. Tesla full self driving? The Tesla taxis? SpaceX on Mars? The Tesla laughably stupid robots? Even those were faked.
Claims after claims for decades and literally no results
The guy is a full on bait and switch yet everyone seems to lap up everything this scammer says.
paraphrand@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Him and his libertarian friends fuck up left and right. Crashing startups and just getting more money for another. Etc
Yet they hold the government to a standard of being perfect and high performing with no room for failure.
And Trump is the biggest fuckup of all these guys.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Blowing up rockets until it works is a far better approach than trying to get everything to work on the first try and ending up with a hugely overpriced white elephant.
Valmond@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Also, normally the cost savings should go to the client, not into some billionaires bank account.
x00z@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You can’t use “literally” and “paraphrasing” like that.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
You can’t use “literally” and
… be over 14
flyingjake@lemmy.one 1 year ago
Thank you, my pedantic friend. (I say this because I’m often the one making the comment and getting the eyerolls)
vk6flab@lemmy.radio 1 year ago
Seems like natural selection in progress.
Buy a Cybertruck, fuck around, see what happens.
It also handily preselects for douche.
bus_factor@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Was the Pinto really that bad, though, or did Mother Jones do them dirty?
In the numbers above, the Pinto is hardly a standout deathtrap; I mean, by modern standards, sure, everything on that list is a horrible deathtrap, but the Pinto was safer than the Toyota Corolla or the Beetle or the Datsun 210, and none of those cars are as burdened with the oppressive fiery deathtrap narrative as the Pinto is. In fact, the Pinto’s overall deaths per million vehicles is better than the average!
DaddleDew@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What a dumpster fire that truck is.
otto@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I look at the cartoon from Byrnes and it reminds me of the US healthcare system.
kmartburrito@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Garbage in, garbage out
desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
god bless American auto regulations for allowing unique vehicles on the road (and the ability to sue for damages when the idiot driver hits you)
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
…and unlike the Pinto, we are so deep into fucked-reality-ville, it won’t get recalled.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
And some people wonder why the cybertruck is barely sold outside the US.
Everything I hear about this thing is bad.
ajsg@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Why are we talkaing about this? Who needs this sheet?