'Meta Torrented over 81 TB of Data Through Anna's Archive, Despite Few Seeders' * TorrentFreak
Submitted 3 months ago by misk@sopuli.xyz to technology@lemmy.world
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shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
personalthought381@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Rules for thee, not for me
LEVI@feddit.org 3 months ago
[deleted]mox@lemmy.sdf.org 3 months ago
Facebook: I’ll just
torrent what I needburden your underfunded project and volunteers with over 81 TB of bandwidth costs without contributing anything in return, see yaaFTFY
C126@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Yeah the least they could do is seed forever.
akilou@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
But did they keep a good ratio though?
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
1000% guarantee those mf’s had their upload choked to 20kbps
guaraguaito@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 months ago
Nah they used a leeching client
Tregetour@lemdro.id 3 months ago
20 was the lead engineer ‘mishearing’ Zuck after he said 2.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 months ago
Asking the real questions.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 3 months ago
In copyright protection terms the ratio shouldn’t matter. They should pay for all the lost profits from pirating everything they’ve downloaded. Every time someone pirated it should be counted. And every time someone uses the AI trained on the data.
They can become the corporate Jesus of the interwebs, having paid for our sins.
grue@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Technically, copyright infringement is committed by the entity making and sending the copy, not the entity receiving it. Leeching could indeed remove liability.
I’m not sure if the courts have cared about that nuance when persecuting the ‘small fish,’ but I bet they would in this ‘big fish’ case.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 months ago
“Meta downloaded millions of pirated books from LibGen through the bit torrent protocol using a platform called LibTorrent. Internally, Meta acknowledged that using this protocol was legally problematic,” the third amended complaint noted.
Just want to make clear that Libtorrent is just the torrent application they were using, while the Libgen torrents are easily accessible on the libgen site, not through a separate “platform” called Libtorrent.
I wish people like us could help with these complaints, because then they might actually get the details more accurate to reality.
The amended complaint makes it sound like Libtorrent is a private tracker website when its just the application they were using on the publicly available torrents.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
People are putting an S on the end of words like ‘traffic’ and ‘email’. They will never understand the semantics of that correction.
paraphrand@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Meta Horizons
db2@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Totes yeet, yo.
SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 3 months ago
phys.org/…/2010-11-million-dollar-verdict-music-p…
In all fairness, meta should be assessed a fee of 250k per EACH pirated work.
This would amount to forfeiting all assets to doge.
nyan@lemmy.cafe 3 months ago
They might end up having to pay more money than exists on the planet at that rate.
ryan_@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I’m a reasonable man so I’ll allow it.
Grunt4019@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Assuming 2.6 MB per book.
81 TB would be 32,667,175 books.
At $250k per book that would come out to:
$8.17 trillion.
SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 3 months ago
ulterno@programming.dev 3 months ago
And I’d guess all that money would then go to military funding, with Anna’s Archive, again getting nothing out of it?
SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 3 months ago
It would go to… Uh…
HEY SOMEONE PUT A DEAD CAT ON THE TABLE!
drascus@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Just gotta love these big tech companies and their bullshit double standards.
Grimy@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Meta has open sourced every single one of their llms. They essentially gave birth to the whole open llm scene.
If they start losing all these lawsuits, the whole scene dies and all those nifty models and their fine-tunes get removed from huggingface, to be repackaged and sold to us with a subscription fee. All the other domestic open source players will close down.
The copyright crew aren’t the good guys here, even if it’s spearheaded by Sarah Silverman and Meta has traditionally played the part of the villain.
misk@sopuli.xyz 3 months ago
Meta stole from everyone, including those that struggle to make ends meet, so it doesn’t matter that they gave you back some of it. Any moral qualms should evaporate when you consider that they did it to create shareholder value and the rest is philanthropy (aka pretend tax). As a socialist I believe that man is owed for his work and you can’t take from him even though technology makes it so easy.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
As a socialist I believe intellectual property is a falsehood and technological advancement should be for the public good. Open source LLMs are for the public good.
Given the options between having open source LLMs and the US Govt banning non-corpo non-proprietary LLMs and giving a free pass to people like Musk and Altman and Zucc to monopolize, I happily pick the former.
General_Effort@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Calling property labor, doesn’t make you a socialist.
Grimy@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Don’t give me that slop. No one except the biggest names are getting a dime out it once OpenAI buys up all the data and kills off their competition. It’s also highly transformative, which is perfectly legal.
Copyright laws have been turned into a joke, only protecting big money and their interests.
antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
If the existence of open source LLMs hinges on the benevolence of one of the few most cancerous tech companies in the world, maybe they’re not really worth it?
This isn’t about “heroes” and “villains”. Facebook has been and has stayed the “villain”, they’ve done something colossally illegal that any mere mortal would be sued to death for (by an another “villainous” instance, the media system that has made piracy a necessity in the first place), and they’re hoping to get away with it simply on technicalities and by having more money for better lawyers. Rules are rules, if you don’t like them maybe Facebook should try to change them (and not just for themselves, but for the rest of us too)?
Grimy@lemmy.world 3 months ago
The existence hinges on the rewriting and strengthening of copyright laws by data brokers and other cancerous tech companies. It’s not Meta vs us, but Meta and us vs Google and Openai.
They are being sued for copyright infringement when it’s clearly highly transformative. The rules are fine as is, Meta isn’t the one trying to change them. You seem to imply I should go against my own interests and support frivolous lawsuits that will negatively impact me just because Meta is a boogeyman.
Telodzrum@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Nope. Get fucked
LodeMike@lemmy.today 3 months ago
Where is the source content then
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Annas archive. Keep up. Pffff.
njordomir@lemmy.world 3 months ago
If someone was to acquire a few hundred gigs of books and feed them to something like paperless-ngx, would it work as a sort of google of books? Are there any software projects better suited for doing thisand understand synonyms and perhaps some context? I guess AI search but guided for the intermediate user.
Google is so bad lately. Basically every result is official sponsored corporate biased BS. It would be nice to be able to instantly query a bunch of ebooks.
rumba@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
GPT, Meta, Deepseek and Google have probably all been trained on the data.
The problem is, training on the data, and actually training for knowledge of the data are VERY different things.
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Yes. This exactly.
meowmeowbeanz@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Oh look, another tech giant treating open knowledge initiatives like their personal data buffet. Let me translate this corporate nonsense for you:
Meta: “We need training data for our AI!” Also Meta: Let’s leech 81.7TB from a community project without contributing anything back.
The absolute audacity of downloading terabytes through torrents while their employees were internally admitting it was “legally problematic”. And the best part? They couldn’t even be bothered to seed properly - just grab and go, classic corporate behavior.
Remember when companies actually contributed to open source instead of just parasitically consuming it? But no, they’d rather burden volunteer-run projects with massive bandwidth costs while their lawyers probably bill more per hour than these projects’ entire monthly budget.
Pro tip Meta: If you’re going to pilfer knowledge from the commons, at least seed back properly. Your “move fast and break things” motto isn’t supposed to apply to community archives.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
My seedbox is locked and load, please point me to the. Torrent in need. Archive team assemble!
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
This is the website listed in the article
underwire212@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Yes please support annas-archive!! It is a wonderful project. I can essentially get an epub file for any book (including banned books) I want. They have so much more than that too.
Anti_Face_Weapon@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Not seeding is crazy …
General_Effort@lemmy.world 3 months ago
When you’re shilling for copyright, at least pick a lane. Are they bad for “pirating” or bad for not supporting “piracy”?
I guess it doesn’t matter as long as the owners collect their rent.
ulterno@programming.dev 3 months ago
They are pirating, while also DOSing the providers.
jaybone@lemmy.world 3 months ago
What is Anna’s Archive?
misk@sopuli.xyz 3 months ago
It’s a popular search engine that works with shadow libraries like Sci-Hub or Library Genesis. Shadow libraries are hosts to copies of works of literature and science. Their legal status is murky at best but it’s incredibly impractical to persecute those accessing them.
jaybone@lemmy.world 3 months ago
So it’s like thepiratebay or 1337x.to but for books?
Also I think you mean prosecuting, not persecuting.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
it’s incredibly impractical to persecute those accessing them.
Always was. If you’re serious, persecute those hosting it.
daggermoon@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Damn leeches
bungalowtill@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
The Pirates of the Crown
ad_on_is@lemm.ee 3 months ago
If buying ain’t owning, than downloading…
oh wait, that’s our slogan
Telorand@reddthat.com 3 months ago
Do it, Judge. Protect the wealthy and say it’s not piracy. Do it.
Lexam@lemmy.world 3 months ago
It’s not piracy. For corporations. For you and me believe it or not, straight to jail!
curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
Just make an llc, now its legal again.
abobla@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Please! Think of the shareholders, we must protect them!
Damage@slrpnk.net 3 months ago
They’ll be fined 100k
Telorand@reddthat.com 3 months ago
And they’ll ham up how punished and sorry they are, and how thankful they are for the judge handing down “fair and impartial” justice.
roofuskit@lemmy.world 3 months ago
He already referred them to the justice department, this is a civil case, he cannot sentence them criminally.