It’s not Meta vs us, but opensource vs Google and Openai.
I never said it’s Meta vs us. It’s Meta vs (in this particular case) the book publishing industry. You can’t reduce all of modern tech and AI economy to open source vs closed source.
They are being sued for copyright infringement when it’s clearly highly transformative
They downloaded the entire Libgen and more. Going by the traditional explanations of piracy, that’s like stealing several hundred bookstores worth of books all at once, and then claiming it’s alright because your own writing is not plagiarised from any of the books you’ve stolen. (Piracy is not the same as actual stealing of course, but countless people have been being legally bullied and ruined with that logic.) The brainfucking conclusion of Facebook’s
The rules are fine as is
Actually they’re not. Copyright law is insane
antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I never said it’s Meta vs us. It’s Meta vs (in this particular case) the book publishing industry. You can’t reduce the whole situation to open source vs closed source, there’s other “axes” at play here as well.
They downloaded the entire Libgen and more. Going by the traditional explanations of piracy, that’s like stealing several hundred bookstores worth of books all at once, and then claiming it’s alright because your own writing is not plagiarised from any of the books you’ve stolen. (Piracy is not the same as actual stealing of course, but countless people have been being legally bullied and ruined with that logic.) Meta also got its data from Internet Archive; unless they only obtained their materials that are public domain or under a similar license, they’ve obtained a lot of material that IA has been sentenced for allowing unlimited access to back in 2020 (if you’ve followed the Hachette v. Internet Archive case). The brainfucking conclusion of your and Facebook’s case is that using illegal services is perfectly legal as long as you sufficiently transform the results of the illegal activity.
Actually they’re not. Copyright law is insanely restrictive, and I don’t think you’ve dealt much with media if you think it’s fine (but I don’t wish to delve into this further as it’s beyond the scope of discussion).
Of course they’re not trying to change them, that’s the point, they will get away with breaking them while being perfectly fine with other actors not being able to do so.
Grimy@lemmy.world 1 week ago
All LLMs and Gen AI use data they don’t own. The Pile is all scraped or pirated info, which served as a starting point for most LLMs. Image gen is all scraped from the web. Speech to text and video gen mainly uses YouTube data.
So either you put a price tag on that data, which means only a handful of companies can afford to build these tools (including Meta), or you understand that piracy is the only way for most to aquire this data but since it’s highly transformative, it isn’t breaching copyrights or directly stealing from them as piracy “normally” is.
I’m being pragmatic.