Better headline: Dell kills all brands
Given that Dell has lost most of it’s old reputation in the last couple of years, not surprising that radical moves were taken. Trying to navigate Dells product range was a quick way to get a headache.
Dell kills the XPS brand
Submitted 1 day ago by avieshek@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
avieshek@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It seems like the higher ups doesn’t care or even feel like it, they just want to be Apple… first the possibly even worse version of Touchbar and now this^
AnAmericanPotato@programming.dev 1 day ago
They’re like 20 years too late to start copying Apple here. Apple had their shit together with their product line for a good while after Steve Jobs returned and eliminated the absolute insanity of Apple’s mid-90s lineup, which had at least three times more models than any sane person would find useful.
But recently, Apple went off the deep end. Boggles the mind that “Pro Max” ever made it past the brain-mouth barrier in a boardroom, let alone into an official product lineup.
Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
Agreed. I used to be a hardcore Dell fan, especially for their monitors, but I tried a new model this year and it was such horrible garbage that I had to return it. Their support was nearly non existent.
ramble81@lemm.ee 1 day ago
When their Latitude laptop line moved away from the C/D/E lines I knew it was gonna be trouble. They used to have hardware on par with Apple and almost everything in a generation (I.e E-series) was interchangeable and it was easy to work on.
aard@kyu.de 1 day ago
Which reputation? I used to work for a dell heavy hoster with thousands of dell servers almost 20 years ago - and apart from them being cheap I have nothing good to say about them. Worst is the remote management - several generations of DRACs all broken in new and interesting ways, and support is useless. You just get better discounts at that scale, which for a business owner drowns out the complaints of the tech people.
Notebooks also have similar bugs over generations - and nowadays they also feel even cheaper than they used to be.
Displays were somewhat acceptable - given you’re fine to work around the DPMS bugs they have in pretty much every display for the last two decades - but their display selection page is unusable and lacks most interesting details. So it is better to just get something you can check out in a shop.
kalleboo@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
replacing them with three main product lines: Dell (yes, just Dell), Dell Pro, and Dell Pro Max.
PC/Android companies not trying to blatantly rip off Apple challenge: Impossible
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 day ago
what the fuck?
why kill your best brand?
ohhh…because you outsourced your entire product development teams to “offshore units” and haven’t innovated since 2015.
avieshek@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Sounds eerily similar to Intel although they’re trying good with the GPU side of things.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 hours ago
What Intel makes up for in GPU, they loose in CPU.
What AMD makes up for in CPU, they loose in GPU.Now we need Nvidia to see whether it will be a full blown flop or full-on dominatiom.
At that point (with Nvidia) you’d only need a CPU, RAM and a MB to make a nearly all Nvidia PC.
An Nvidia case exists already, GPU, networking (NIC, Switch and cabling)
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Weird. I thought XPS was a pretty well known brand.
avieshek@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Stupid higher up decisions~
dan@upvote.au 1 day ago
simplified naming scheme with labels like ‘Pro’ and ‘Max.’
How is that “simplified”? Which one is better?
Actual simplified naming would probably be names like “Basic”, “Business”, “Gaming”, or numbers like what Intel does with Core 3/5/7/9.
illi@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Which one is better, Pro or Max?
Dell Pro Max Plus, obviously.
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Promax feels like ED pills
Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz 1 day ago
I’ll hold out for the Pro Max Ultra
Ulrich@feddit.org 1 day ago
You forgot Ultra
circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 1 day ago
I suspect, at some level, that the confusing naming is kind of the point.
What’s the difference between Pro and Max? If the names were clearer, you probably wouldn’t check the website to clear up the confusion.
It nudges potential buyers into interaction with company marketing.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It would be more simple to call some things basic, but it’ll never happen for the same reason food and drinks places have started drifting away from calling things “small, medium, large” and towards the much more stupid “Regular, Large, Extra-Large”. Starbucks goes even more pretentious with it.
You’d be more likely to have something extremely dumb like Premium (shit-tier), Premium Pro (midrange), Premium Ultra (actually premium).
golli@lemm.ee 14 hours ago
Yeah, sadly everything has to sound fancy. Imo this is partially to blame on consumers, but I do wonder how much of it is basic psychology vs induced demand that could be reversed if a company would stick with sensible product names for a while.
Instead of basic they could also go with something like “essential” or “home” that maybe have slightly less negative associations.
avieshek@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Not saying it’s any better but haven’t you heard of iPhones?
dan@upvote.au 1 day ago
Neither my wife nor I own any Apple devices, but living in the San Francisco Bay Area, I’m surrounded by people that do. There’s no need for companies to copy Apple’s questionable decisions.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Idk I honestly don’t even know which iPhone is latest anymore, my gut says 8 but I know that there’s also iPhone X which was somehow the first one with an OLED screen and why I remember it.
Last one I owned was the 5S, great phone, but their branding and looks haven’t appealed to me since then.
JustTesting@lemmy.hogru.ch 21 hours ago
The newest generation of xps i shit anyways, good riddance.
i was really happy with my 2019ish xps. But the 2024 one is hot garbage. not just that it arrived with the keyboard not working and Dell taking 3 months to replace it. There’s a total of 2 usb-c ports on it. That’s all the connectors, yes. No, no headphone jack either. And one of those two is taken up with charging, so i’m left with one port if i dont use a dockingstation.
the whole function bar is touch now. you need to hit it 3 times for it to react, who needs Esc anyways. Unless you want to type in the number row, then the function row will pick up random key presses sometimes.
Copilot key no one asked for. Power button is just an unlabelled piece of plastic that looks like filler, not a button. Keyboard sucks in general, too little space between keys, you’re bound to mistype.
linux support is ok, though webcam doesn’t work in firefox, hibernate doesn’t work, every few weeks it’ll just freeze. But otherwise acceptable.
definitely my last dell, i really hate it.
lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 20 hours ago
I bought a Precision 5480. Looks like an xps but better. Was so good I bought the 5490 for work a few months later. Would recommend.
clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Is the precision decent for gaming?
avieshek@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Would recommend to not recommend Dell to future buyers, it’s not Apple vs Samsung like in the smartphone options of US.
garretble@lemmy.world 1 day ago
AMD now has “Max” chips and Dell now has “Pro” and “Max” laptops.
Everyone copying Apple.
avieshek@lemmy.world 1 day ago
AMD has the worst naming schemes in the industry, I miss the simple old i3, i5, i7… for each generation.
eager_eagle@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I can’t say Intel CPU naming is better though. The i3, i5, i7, i9 is misleading and the full names are even more confusing than AMD’s.
orclev@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Well AMD just blatantly copied Nvidia’s naming scheme for their new GPUs so maybe they’ll copy Intel for their CPUs. I mean, they kind of already did, since the Ryzen 9 is basically i9, and the Ryzen 7 is basically i7 etc. It’s mostly AMDs mobile CPUs that have horrendous names, but Intel really isn’t much better in that department.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Same as it ever was
Mwa@lemm.ee 17 hours ago
I wish there was a Company that followed the Design of the Thinkpad rather then Apple.
FireWire400@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
The latest XPS laptops really seem like they wanted to copy MacBook Pros from a few years ago with the touch function keys and the barren I/O.
I never really understood the purpose of the XPS line anyway. If you want performance, buy a Precision; if you want a light robust laptop with decent I/O, get a Latitude; if you want a MacBook, get a MacBook.
ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 14 hours ago
Well that sucks. I haven’t bought an XPS since the Dell XPS 15z like over a decade ago, but still, the idea that I could buy an XPS Developer Edition laptop and have it be Linux compatible without having to think about it was nice. Now I’m limited to ThinkPads and System76 plus whatever other compatible Clevos there are or maybe a Framework, which I guess is fine since I do own multiple ThinkPads.
Still, really weird decision.
avieshek@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Asus ROG series to MSI seems interesting this CES, personally don’t see much problem with compatibility through Pop!_OS
Opisek@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
I’d like people to actually read the article before commenting. They are renaming their laptops. They’ll continue producing what would’ve been XPS.
cygnus@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Wait, “Dell Pro max” isn’t a joke? Or at least not an intentional one?
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Just wait til you hear about “Dell Pro Max Plus”.
eager_eagle@lemmy.world 1 day ago
In the future, it means we can also expect product names like Dell Pro Max Plus.
oh I can’t wait for 2030 to get my new Dell Pro Max Plus Most Biz VIP Tip Top Rizz
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 1 day ago
The base model or the AI Max Pro Plus model?
eager_eagle@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
by 2030 it’ll all be AI
Mwa@lemm.ee 17 hours ago
I remember the XPS Was “Ubuntu Certified”
avieshek@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Prepared to be heartbroken ~
phoneymouse@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Yes, I’ll take one Dell Pro Max Premium please. Heck, while we’re it it, please make it it a Dell Pro Max Premium Ultra Deluxe with Extra Sprinkles.
naeap@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
There are actually people getting paid for this shit
Are they just sitting in a group in multiple meetings to brainstorm new names for stuff?
And I thought just managers are parasites…
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Ironically the people getting paid for this shit did come up with better names and they were all overturned by senior management who read a business book over the weekend. SSDD.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 1 day ago
How prescient Orwell turned out to be.
Premium Pro Max Doubleplus Good.
eodur@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
I guess it streamlines the naming a little bit, but it sounds like the mapping of the hardware to the names is still a mess. I’ve used XPS laptops for years, but had already decided my next would be a Framework. This just reinforces that decision.
eddanja@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Looks like I won’t be getting a Dell anytime soon. Shame. I loved my last XPS before they decides to nuke the ports eith just two USB-C.
monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Nobody will
lazycouchpotato@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Intensely dumb.
avieshek@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Not sure which is the dumbest, Jaguar letting go of its signature mark or HBO renaming themselves to just Max but would be funny if Apple abandoned the Max naming for Ultra.
humble_pete_digger@lemm.ee 16 hours ago
Should have just borrowed Lenovo 30 naming schemes
Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I always found the build quality for Lenovo Thinkpads to be better than any of the top tier Dell laptops. Most of the laptops I had in circulation were Dells and the always gave me problems. The Thinkpads just worked.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I never got the allure of Lenovo. the Chinese spyware left a bad taste in my mouth.
I had an X1 years ago bit I’ll take my 9360 over that any day.
doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
The prestige behind the thinkpad brand specifically predates lenovo. They bought it from IBM in '05. AFAIK they’ve always been seen as reliable, well built laptops, albeit a bit pricier.
As far as spyware, with win11 being what it is your options are install Linux or live with it no matter which manufacturer you go with.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 day ago
My late-aughts XPS is a gem - milled aluminum, edge-to-edge glass, and the best laptop keyboard ever since Ye Olde Thinkpads. The glory days of chasing Apple with a Windows box and almost getting there. *pours 40*
That said, their QE went to shit, they pulled that bullshit RTO to soft-layoff everyone, laid off everyone else directly, and spent a ton to hire non-US replacements who aren’t up to speed so they can leverage the exciting benefits of AI (lol).
I’ll never understand why they didn’t put huge effort into backing linux when micro$oft started making hardware. Well - I know why they didn’t. Because they make poor managerial decisions. C’est ça.
TheImpressiveX@lemm.ee 1 day ago
So many corporations have used the words “Pro” and “Max” that they have now become meaningless.
avieshek@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
HBO → MAX 🤦🏻♂️
crusa187@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Land of marketing and advertising, gotta ruin everything. RIP XPS, good little machines.
lig@lemmings.world 1 day ago
At least it will be clear which one is high tier and which is the opposite. Precision and latitude are incomparable except one reads their specs. Also, I assume they aren’t touching G-series and that’s the only one that matters to me:) G15 is just amazing.
dan@upvote.au 1 day ago
How though? Is “pro” better than “max”?
Beryl@jlai.lu 1 day ago
Also, how is there a Max Plus ? How about a Most Maxiest model ?
avieshek@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I mean… Dell Pro Max?
What would you’ve understood if it was Apple Pro Max; a laptop, a desktop, an iPhone or software if not a subscription package?
OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
“So I’m a little confused, can you tell me the difference between a Dell Plus, Dell Pro Premium, and Dell Pro Plus Base?”
I-- wow. I read this article and I have no idea what they’re thinking. How does this simplify anything?!
podperson@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Resurrecting their commercials from the 90’s now, it would go like this:
Duuuude, you’re gettin’ a Dell.
Oh…… dang.
alchemist2023@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
so honestly, who would you use now? I’d never buy HP, Acer, Lenovo. total crap machines. what other brands of laptop are any good going into 2025/2026? The XPS was always my go-to but now what options are remaining?
rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Now kill Dell entirely.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Ugh.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Weird, isn’t that the only Dell brand people view as worth having?
MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world 1 day ago
As an IT guy, recent (past five years) XPS laptops we gave to execs were pretty bad. Smaller, yes, but I found the Latitudes were better in terms of build quality. It is a small sample size though as most execs preferred MacBooks.
AtariDump@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Latitude is superior to the XPS line for business.
And man did they have a bad run of XPS’s there for a while with their batteries swelling up.
terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Used to be a field repair tech for several oems. The XPS usually suffered hinge issues. They decided it was a good idea to use press fitted standoffs in plastic to anchor the screen hinges…and the plastic is not very thick.
golli@lemm.ee 14 hours ago
Imo this kind of shows the basic problem with the xps line. As I understand it it was basically the premium consumer line, not something meant for business use. Meaning it had the nice specs on paper, but not the durability you’d need in a setting with extensive use and where downtime means serious money. But as you demonstrate this distinction was to blurry.
HeyJoe@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I believe the precision series kind of took over. They are high-end models but not really built for gaming. At this point, the XPS wasn’t built for gaming either, so I guess having 2 high-end lines just didn’t make sense?
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 1 day ago
the top tier names are fine I guess, but all the sub tier names are too much.
dingus182@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Some companies prefer Dell as an American held company; for security reasons. Dell’s Precision line supports high-end needs such as 3d modeling, theoretical testing for real world applications, statistical analysis of large datasets, etc.
That is where Dell fits. And yes, they have consumer models. I don’t care for the latter.
trolololol@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I have a precision and an XPS,
Chassis is the same, keyboard, touch screen, pad are the same. Processor, disk, Wi-Fi and memory options are the same. Warranty and on premises technician same.
Prices are not the same, and sometimes precision has more GPU options. And I think a 17 inch screen, but that what a different line under the same brand name.
But one has official Linux support and the other doesn’t. But since all hardware is the same, surprise, it just works.
rumba@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
We’ve been flirting with Lenovo legion. In my business we need strong video cards. Shipping white boxes and monitors to people is a real issue with work from home.
We were solely running XPS for years.
The legion aren’t bad, The worst of it is the power brick is a barrel connector. No running off of USB power delivery.
One of the units had a failed fan. I tore it apart and found the part number, I was actually pretty pissed off because you couldn’t buy just the fan you had to buy the whole heat distribution block with both fans and the heat pipes and everything. But then I found the part was only about 50 bucks. Dell wouldn’t even sell me parts without me being certified. So I bought the Lenovo heat block and it showed up with pre-compounded processor, GPU, and VRM pads. It was super impressive and for 50 bucks honestly it was a steal.
Brumefey@sh.itjust.works 22 hours ago
I own a Lenovo legion and the main issue is that it sucks on battery, it’s heavy, and the power brick is huge and expensive (I think close to 300€). Other than that it’s a beast. But if you have legions for business, you’ll struggle in meetings were people don’t want to bother with power cables and supplies.
InFerNo@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Pretty happy with the G series, but only because the XPS series for replaced by it in terms of bang for buck. And honestly, the G series we got are pretty good.