The Great Migration to Bluesky Gives Me Hope for the Future of the Internet

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• Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  If people moving from one corpo owned platform to another corpo owned platform gives you hope for the future of the internet: You haven’t been paying attention to the history of the internet at all.

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  • dantheclamman@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    At least it theoretically has account portability…but yes, I fear people are setting themselves up to be enshittified again, as Cory Doctorow has brought up

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• cygnus@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I like Jason but he completely missed the boat on this one.

  The active migration away from social media networks that are owned, controlled by, and distorted by the richest men and most powerful companies in the world to a decentralized platform that is not owned and controlled by billionaires is one of the more hopeful things to happen in what has largely been a bleak year for the human internet as AI slop infects everything and billionaires put their thumbs on the scale of what we see on social media.

  He says this and yet jumps to Bluesky, a platform created by Jack Dorsey and now owned and managed by a crypto bro? You don’t need powers of prophecy to see where Bluesky is headed.

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  • avidamoeba@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Honestly I don’t know what’s up with the mass delusion about Bluesky being oligarch-free. It’s understandable that most don’t know or haven’t looked into it, but then some folks that should know better are displaying the same ignorance.

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    • OceanSoap@lemmy.ml ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      People going over don’t care who owns it, they just want to use a platform that regularly censors thoughts they disagree with. That’s it.

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  • zante@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It’s very telling that all across lemmy this is being celebrated. Looks like most people completely missed the point.

    I don’t myself like mastodon very much, but if you came to lemmy to stick it to the man it’s a bit silly to cheer on the next man, which is what bluesky is.

    Twitter will remain a place for the Right and nut job grifters , probably absorb truth social and the others. bluesky will become the place for liberals and centrists who jerk each other off because they have a degree and gay friends and think they are enlightened.

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    • Telorand@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      People aren’t going to be convinced of social/communism overnight.

      I celebrate the move to BlueSky as positive in that they are no longer propping up an apartheid tech bro who’s now running a meme branch of US Government, and also because many of them are doing the thing they were scared to do before: leave. They now know how that feels and what it will be like rebuilding friend groups and such.

      It’s not the anti-corpo step many are deluding themselves to believe it is, but getting out of the muck and learning how to take the step to change something are both things I see as positives that can be guided to better things in the future.

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    • Kichae@lemmy.ca ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Most people came to Lemmy becaise they felt personally agreived by the Reddit API issue. They don’t give a shit about what’s good for the Internet, or society.

      They’re here out of protest, and would happily give their all to the next Billionaire that makes them feel smarter than the average bear.

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    • kamenlady@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Your rant is very much appreciated.

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    • Smc87@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Small steps

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  • SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    He says this and yet jumps to Bluesky, a platform created by Jack Dorsey and now owned and managed by a crypto bro?

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  • Zak@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Whether it soon becomes possible to self host an AppView, the one remaining centralized component will tell us a lot about where it’s headed.

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    • aeshna_cyanea@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      There are already smaller appviews that use the existing hosting/authentication infra. Nothing with any real scale but for example there is a barebones reddit/hackernews equivalent frontpage.fyi

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  • can@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    At least maybe some more regular people will learn about decentralization (and alternative ways there) from this mass adoption?

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• kibiz0r@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Lemmy does not understand that people are leaving X cuz of Nazis, not cuz it’s a centralized corpo platform.

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  • WalnutLum@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Pretty sure a significant portion of nazis are also moving to bluesky

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    • Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      But on Bluesky you don’t get them shoved in your face and there is culture of just blocking Nazis and moving on.

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  • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Elon turned it into his own personal Nazi blog where people can’t block him.

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  • zarkanian@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    There were Nazis on X for years before this. They’re leaving because Trump won.

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  • Kichae@lemmy.ca ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    To a platform that has been on the record about not kicking ouy Nazis, though.

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• DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  People are leaving Muskrats fascist supporting platform. So what if they aren’t going to Mastedon, they’re leaving Twitter.

  I just want Twitter to lose. Once Twitter has been (hopefully) de-platformed we can talk about Mastedon and the Fediverse.

  But it terms of main stream casual appeal, Mastedon still doesn’t have it yet, and that’s okay.

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Once Twitter has been (hopefully) de-platformed we can talk about Mastedon and the Fediverse and the idea of a non-corpo platform.

    BlueSky is as prone to enshittification as Twitter. If you’re waiting for BlueSky to take off, you’re just setting yourself up for the next rug pull.

    I mean, go to BS and enjoy it while it lasts. But don’t think this is the future.

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  • Kichae@lemmy.ca ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    They’re leaving Musk, but they’re not leaving his financial backers, and they’re entering into the same kind of “possibly sold to a fascist despot at a moment’s notice” situation they just left.

    It’s short sighted, perfirmative, and doesn’t actually make the Internet better at all. It just tells us that people prefer a closed Internet owned by billionaires.

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    • can@sh.itjust.works ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Maybe these need people need to feel the cycle first hand a few more times and that’s okay. ActivityPub will be even stronger when it comes around again.

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    • el_abuelo@programming.dev ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah, what’s stopping the richest guy in the world just buying blue-sky as well?

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  • werefreeatlast@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Well said. Maybe there’s more to do in the hardware, software and general computing training such that the layman could safely deploy their own Website like we used to be able to do. Then everyone could have their own servers at home like some of us do. True decentralized communication.

    Lemmy would be great for dare I say it…church congregations for example. Schools, mechanic forums, unofficial student associations like alpha Kapa whatever. ETC. it’s a momentous opportunity.

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• WalnutLum@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Bluesky is not great, but it’s at least (for now) a better platform than X and the AT protocol is actually very well written. (For instance having a moderation service separated from the service that provides the posts I think is a hands-down better way to handle it than most ActivityPub servers having their admins handle all incoming and outgoing moderation)

  Bluesky federation is just now getting started so it’ll be interesting to see if it goes anywhere/where it goes.

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• eleitl@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  That decentralized and self-hostable platforms like Lemmy are fringe does not give me hope for the future of social networks on the Internet.

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  • realitista@lemm.ee ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    They don’t have to have everyone on them to be good. In some ways it’s preferable not to. Reddit was far better before the Digg migration, and we might already be living in the golden years of Lemmy and not even realize it.

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    • balder1991@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I don’t know, Reddit also has more niche communities that just don’t have enough people in platforms like Lemmy.

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• garretble@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  The CEO of Bluesky just posted they hit 17M users today after hitting 16M in the last 24 hours.

  The juice is juicin’.

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  • Sunshine@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Threads, Blue Sky and Mastodon are at 292.8m mau vs Twitter’s 304m

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    • garretble@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Sure, but what percentage of users are bots on twitter at this point?

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  • P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    We are witnessing the rise of a new platform (in terms of relevance) in real time, this will probably be one of the key points in our digital decade, and it’s happening right now! Have you thought about it?

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• yamanii@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I think this time it actually has some teeth to it, even big famous artists like Lack are on blue sky now, my feed is looking pretty good daily now where before I had to wait a few days before checking it out.

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  • priapus@sh.itjust.works ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    A lot of the big accounts I follow have been reporting a huge loss in followers on Twitter and an even larger influx of followers on Bluesky.

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• umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  quite the opposite for me. bluesky is a centralized platform owned by capital exactly like twitter, thus prone to the same issues.

  migrating to bluesky instead of mastodon will just delay the problem.

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  • Default_Defect@midwest.social ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Bluesky actually has content though. Unless all you want is linux and news.

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    • umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      chicken and egg kinda problem

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  • JWayn596@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Its open source isn’t it? It still has the same problems but on a privacy level, having it be open source is much better.

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    • laverabe@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      reddit was open source as well.

      was

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• selokichtli@lemmy.ml ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I hope some of them come to the Fediverse. It’s nice that only the curious ones will come.

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  • realitista@lemm.ee ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I think the smartest ones will. Really I don’t mind a smart intelligent community like this one.

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• frazw@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Anything which drives nails into the xitter coffin is a good thing as far as I’m concerned. Bluesky may not tick many people’s boxes here on lemmy, but this migration shows that lots of people wanted to leave xitter but didn’t see an option. Threads clearly didn’t attract them, likely due to the owner. I hope it nothing else, Bluesky is a less toxic place and xitter and musk become less relevant. In the long run Bluesky may end up being another head of the hydra , but for now, it’s not, and it may get people used to the idea of federation.

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• Meltrax@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Whhhhhhy?

  This is the same thing. This is the exact same type of platform that will eventually go the same way. This is shooting yourself in the foot once, then aiming the shotgun at the other foot and pulling the trigger thinking that the bullet was a fluke the first time.

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  • psychothumbs@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    To be fair Musk buying twitter and turning it into a Nazi propaganda site was kind of flukey.

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    • TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Twitter was already really bad, Musk just brought back the Nazis and fired all the people that were the guardrails.

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    • ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Bluesky just got major investment from a crypto bro…

      It’s not flukey…

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    • Meltrax@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Was it though?

      A billionaire buys or funds a public platform and does with it as he pleases, despite the obviously humanitarian route being something different. Have we really never seen that before?

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  • scytale@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Because most people switching don’t know (or care) about the fediverse and decentralization. They are regular internet users who just want to get away from the cesspool that is twitter, so they go where other people are going.

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• witx@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  How does another social media ruled by a billionaire gives hope?

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  • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Because it shows that a sizable amount of people are anti-nazi enough to move platform.

    Yes, it would be even nicer if they moved to mastodon, but nobody even knows what that is, nobody is there (classic chicken and egg problem), and people get confused by the whole “choose an instance” thing.

    Is it not ok to have a small celebration of people moving to a better, more positive platform, even if it is far from perfect?

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• staticsoar@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Shame that it’s another Capital-owned platform taking the spotlight. I’m not surprised unfortunately. We’ll be in the same place we are now in 10 years.

  I’m preaching to the choir, but mastodon is the better platform if you want more authentic community and conversation.

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  • barsoap@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Chances are that any new large commercial platform will enshittify, sooner or later prompting another exodus, and each exodus will at least have some people choosing a community platform.

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• sircac@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The wrong migration to IMHO…

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• Modva@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I’m really enjoying Bluesky strangely enough, not normally my thing.

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• Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Bluesky is run by the founder of twitter, which took far too long to ban Trump the first time round. I don’t know why so many people are giving him another chance to do the same shit again.

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  • popekingjoe@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Jack Dorsey no longer has anything to do with Bluesky. techcrunch.com/…/jack-dorsey-says-hes-no-longer-o…

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    • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Oh. Good.

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• demizerone@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  If it was owned by the community that moderated it, then yes. But no it’s owned by another rich asshole.

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• shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Anybody recommend a good mastodon instance?

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  • JoYo@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    my personal solo instance os great but the admin is an asshole.

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    • shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

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  • Shatur@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Pick any instance that suits your interests: joinmastodon.org/en/servers There is also this picker.

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    • shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      This is really cool, it helped me find an instance that specializes in shitposting, much appreciated!

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• CoderSupreme@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  It’s venture capital. Eventually it will stop being open source and will enshitify just like every other platform. So nothing is changing long term in my opinion.

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• Dreamless4561@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Wish they would go to Mastodon, even Threads which is on the fediverse.

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• blindbunny@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  What a fucking lib take… See you on Mastodon after Dorsey fuck y’all over again

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  • atrielienz@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    techcrunch.com/…/jack-dorsey-says-hes-no-longer-o…

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    • blindbunny@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Even if dorsey is too busy sniffing his own farts bluesky is built on vc money just like twitter was. This is the same song and every one is just dancing to the same old hollow tune.

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• RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Why?

  The internet at large is still a cesspool.

  The only difference is who is in control of it.

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  • kaffiene@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Community is and always has been important. The key is and airways has been your ability to effectively curate your community. It is a cesspool if and only if you lack that ability

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• schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  The main thing I would like to know is why so many people nowadays want a microblog platform, whether it is X or Bluesky or Mastodon, and why community-based platforms like Lemmy are getting relatively little attention in comparison.

  Is it just that these people weren’t seriously online before the rise of microblogs? They didn’t start out with phpBB-style forums, so don’t miss their existence and think that individuals having followers is the normal state of the Internet? I’m genuinely not super sure what’s going on.

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  • priapus@sh.itjust.works ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Community-based platforms aren’t receiving as much attention because while Reddit is getting worse and worse, it has not reached the level of enshittification Twitter is at. Most people are still going to keep using it. Twitter on the other hand is reaching the point where huge amount of people are leaving, making alternative microblog platforms very relevant.

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  • P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    People have different tastes, which can vary.

    Microblogging is something more casual, and has more focus on the people sharing content. Community foruns are revolved around the content shared, so you don’t really get to know people, so it has a difference on what they actually want.

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    • schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I found that on old forums I did get to know the people regularly posting on them quite well over time (and they got to know me). On reddit and lemmy not so much, or do you have any idea about anything I’ve posted before (because I don’t know anything about you).

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• VintageGenious@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Someone has to do a mastodon instance called Bluesky

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• Nangt3c@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Now left-wing has their own echo chamber, hurray

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• WindyRebel@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I just moved our D&D account over there.

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• can@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  is also decentralized and is federated, meaning it is moving toward a future where users “own” their audiences and can port them elsewhere (you can, and many do, argue about the details here, and about the differences between ActivityPub, which Mastodon uses, and the AT Protocol, which Bluesky uses).

  Best coverage yet for that alone

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• Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Smart people left Twitter years ago. This is rats leaving the sinking boat for another rotten boat. If you were still on Twitter, please dont join Mastodon, we dont want you. Go make the same mistakes again and again, meanwhile we will keep building a better web on the fedi.

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• FeelThePower@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  the great migration to another investor-backed patiently waiting disaster. enjoy it while it’s good. if only they used activitypub. Mastodon is just too confusing for the average person, it will never take off. bluesky streamlines everything into being simple and understandable to the average user. I laugh when I see people circle jerking about being better than twitter when in reality it was started by the same people and all it takes is someone with too much money and it’ll be another fall-off story.

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