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Reddit says it is not covered by new Online Safety Code as it has moved its jurisdiction to the Netherlands

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨neme@lemm.ee⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.independent.ie/business/media/reddit-says-it-is-not-covered-by-new-online-safety-code-as-it-has-moved-its-jurisdiction-to-the-netherlands/a915250045.html

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  • Mandy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    so like, how can american companys just go “im not american lol, your laws dont apply to me despite me operating mostly in the us”

    a nice little eli5 would be cool, i get the why, but the how?

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  • Saledovil@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Idea: Governments maintain a list of entities that are evading the law like that, and then doesn’t prosecute people who are accused of crimes against such entities. The idea being that if you place yourself outside of the law’s reach, you also place yourself outside of the law’s protection.

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    • Pulptastic@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That’s a bingo!

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      • bitwaba@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        We just say bingo…

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  • TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    the utility of the nation/state has been broken by 21st century meta-national billionaires

    unions are useful but they no longer cover the distance between the labor and capital

    we need a new group of collective shit

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    • postmateDumbass@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The Un doesn’t do it for you/us?

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      • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Lol

        Lmao even

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  • Sabata11792@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    A censorship promoting flees censorship?

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  • auzy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Of course it has. It says everything you need to know

    Maybe they should be investigated for all the child porn they used to host

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    • ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      To this day, I still can’t believe how long Reddit defended underage porn subreddits. Literally do nothing and say “free speech” . Then suddenly a news article happens and then they finally take action.

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      • mindaika@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It’s almost like spez cares more about money than any kind of moral grandstanding, which of course is super weird for a capitalist

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  • SuperZorro@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Fuck these tax heavens.

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    • Summzashi@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Sarcasm surely

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      • BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        If I’m not having a whoosh moment, the fact they have bases in Ireland and the Netherlands very much sounds like they’re operating a Double Irish Dutch Sandwich.

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  • detective__mcnulty@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m banned from Reddit after wishing someone would get the death penalty for murdering a child.

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    • werefreeatlast@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Tied on a rope made from putin? Yup. I got banned too.

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    • over_clox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah, probably not the best opinion to express on Reddit, or most other sites for that matter. Even if I might happen to agree with you, that’s always gonna strike a nerve with quite a few people out there.

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  • Babalugats@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    nytimes.com/…/dutch-school-privacy-google-microso…

    If anything, the Dutch will enforce more laws on them

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  • Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The moved their jurisdiction to the Netherlands? In the EU? Wow. Now the GDPR can be used to really kick their butts.

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    • Miaou@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      GDPR applies regardless of where headquarters are located

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      • Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        There is always the issue of “x applies” and “x is enforcable”. Think of Signal or Telegram here.

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      • kent_eh@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yes, but it’s easier to enforce EU regulations when the headquarters happens to be within the EU.

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    • Mubelotix@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They would be forced to delete all messages of all deleted users

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    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Aren’t there tax benefits to incorporating in Ireland? Conventional thought would suggest that the tax/regulatory environment in the Netherlands would be less attractive? Maybe that’s wrong… I wonder what their reasons for moving were. Is that where Steve Huffman wants to build his new doomsday bunker? Gotta spread out just in case. Maybe connect it to the one in CA with a massive underwater tunnel lol.

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      • Miaou@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Oh we got a bunch of leeches in Europe, Ireland is not the only one

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      • RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Mmm… Serpent Road…

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      • Squizzy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        They usually operate in tandem, a double dutch irish tax sandwich or whatever it is called.

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    • paboppa@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It moved from Ireland to the Netherlands, both are in the EU. This will not change anything regarding GDPR.

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  • vzq@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Welkom in Nederland, moederneuker!

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    • pirat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Vierenveertig vliegjen en een goudvis in de pinderkaas op de lul in een konijntjenaaimachine!

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    • GrammarPolice@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Terlinglijer

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    • johsny@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Ma naiers!

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  • secret300@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Why does anyone still use reddit? Why does anyone still use Twitter? Why does anyone still use Instagram?

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    • mechoman444@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Why does anyone still use chrome!

      I get twitter and reddit because of the uniqueness of the platforms but chrome is just a web browser! Any other program can be used in its stead to view the same exact websites yet people continue to use it even being stubborn about it!

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    • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Because people dream of making it big, being viral, being an influencer with a ton of followers and money. That one second of fame is still tantalising to a lot of people.

      Also a lot of these apps (not reddit, but the others like Facebook) are installed on phones by default. To many, they are just what the internet is.

      Nana and grandad used to do email. Now it’s just racist rainbowflag-phobic reposting on Facebook and wondering why their grandkids that haven’t looked at FB in a decade don’t contact them.

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    • RxBrad@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      A lot of stuff ONLY has viable Q&A discussion there…

      As much as I love the idea of Lemmy, try finding active communities here for: MAME or any other videogame emulation… Plex… The breed of your family dog/cat… Most any sort of non-Fedi-focused brand/podcast/personality…

      Yes, I can create a new community. Then I just sit in it by myself, and occasionally deal with spam.

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      • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Discoverability is poor on Lemmy and isn’t helped by the low user count.

        Would be nice to revisit an old idea from Newsgroups, where you could sub to gaming and see everything, or gaming.playstation.ps5 or gaming.emulation.mame or whatever for sub-communities.

        But then the decentralised nature works against it there as well.

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    • johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Because social networks are only as good as the people who are on them.

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    • HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      As someone who only recently joined Lemmy (as a result of getting booted from Reddit) it ultimately comes down to it being bigger.

      You can talk regularly about series have been over for a decade. Just about any niche interest has a vibrant community. The reality is the average person doesn’t care about it selling our data, putting a fingerprint on our gear one step above spyware, it being overrun with bots, every level of administration being dominated by megalomaniacs. If you just want to look through some stuff you’re interested in while you’re bored, it serves a purpose that lemmy unfortunately can’t at it’s size.

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    • dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Most people don’t care. I’m sick of hearing about Reddit, I left because I do care but I don’t want to keep hearing about my ex, you know!

      We are not important, we are the minority that maybe cares about these things and that’s ok, we should live our lives the way we want to and allow others to do the same.

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      • corvuscache@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Agreed. Yes, it’s important to know what’s going on in the “big” world - but I wish all of us more interested in Lemmy, the small web, and so on spent more time and energy on creating, maintaining, and enjoying what we can build/use and less lamenting, bashing, or wishing for what we want to leave behind.

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    • desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      reddit has half functioning search.

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    • pixelscript@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This is basically asking why anyone would live in or near a city like Los Angeles or New York City when Minot exists and has everything you could possibly need.

      If you had to look up where Minot even is, you’ve proven my point.

      Say what you will about whether living near the proverbial big city is worth it or not. But it cannot be denied, there is a world of experiences on offer at larger platforms that a smaller platform simply cannot provide. Network effect can be a cruel mistress.

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      • MajorasMaskForever@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Why not Minot?

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    • Squizzy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Overall, because Lemmy is slow and boring mostly. I see headlines here and go to Reddit for the comments through the geddit crawler.

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      • TheBrideWoreCrimson@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I gotta disagree with you here. At least on the sub(s) that I still - on the occasion of big events - take a glance at. To me, Reddit comments are the epitome of staleness and predictability. Also, their user base seems like a bunch of 40-year-old dads that mentally peaked at 16, but keep getting more racist by the year.

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    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I use it for porn still

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      • itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        first Tumblr banned porn, then Reddit requires sign-in for 18+ content (I know old UI bypasses that), and now Twitter has become a walled garden as well. Bad times for gooners

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    • YeetPics@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You don’t know why someone would use a social link aggregator… and you’re lamenting about this on a social link aggregator.

      Why are you here?

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      • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Almost like they asked about a specific site and not the concept of link aggregators or something

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      • lemmeBe@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Exactly. Really incomprehensible why are some people amazed at some things. We’re all different, with different motives, different needs, different levels of coziness and different views on privacy etc.

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    • GrammarPolice@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      What’s wrong with Instagram now?

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      • secret300@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Centralized and owned by meta. Harvesting your data constantly. Ads upon ads that track you. Proprietary.

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    • Old_Yharnam@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Maybe because they just want to???

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    • DrDickHandler@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      These comments are so braindead, Jesus Christ.

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    • Mwa@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      i seen a few people still use it my friend,some random people in a server,etc

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    • sag@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Why does anyone still use Reddit?

      Some niche communities and content to repost on Lemmy

      Why does anyone still use Instagram?

      Friends and memes to repost on Lemmy

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    • thisphuckinguy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah, Reddit is not rhetorical ghost town I thought it would be after the mass exodus.

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      • RxBrad@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It’s still active – save the communities that got kneecapped by mods during the revolt (and sadly, most of those are now Discord-based rather than having any appreciable activity here).

        The activity there now is a lot… dumber. Like much of the internet, the ratio of real people to braindead bots on Reddit is a lot different than a few years ago.

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      • lemmeBe@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Like we had a secret (or not so secret) desire for it to crumble so we can crack a beer and say good riddance. 😁

        But in the end, business mostly as usual.

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      • secret300@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I don’t get why more people didn’t move to Lemmy or mbin

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    • Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      For Twitter it really doesn’t make sense because it has become undebatably a “Nazi bar”, metaphorically since they aren’t an actual bar, but they still support and tolerate Nazis (and other manners of horrible people). Some people insist that it isn’t and there are “normal level headed people there” but that doesn’t matter, it’s still a Nazi bar, because it accepts and tolerates Nazis. How can someone expect to not be judged for going to and hanging out in a place like that?

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  • m3t00@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I never knew so many people lived there.

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  • JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    What a weaselly thing to do

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  • madjo@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Time for the DSA and the DMA to be applied to reddit.

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  • mannycalavera@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Sounds like another case of US tech companies fucking with the web of EU regulations to nobody’s benefit but their own.

    It’s no wonder they moved to another tax haven. Sorry, sorry. The EU doesn’t have tax havens according to their own rules. Low tax threshold telegraphic jurisdictions.

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  • Mora@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Time for the EU to rip him a new one :)

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  • nightlily@leminal.space ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I‘m confused. Reddit claims it doesn’t host videos, just links to them but it absolutely does host videos.

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  • schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    www.eff.org/cyberspace-independence 🙁🙁😭😡

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  • Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Sounds like it’ll need blocked in Ireland then

    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

    Fuck Spez

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  • brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It requires them to restrict certain categories of video, so that users cannot share content on cyberbullying, promoting eating disorders, promotion of self harm or incitement to hatred on a number of grounds.

    Wow, what a horrible, restraining overreach.

    I am shedding tears for the 1.2% engagement loss this would cost Reddit next quarter. Imagine what they have to pay devs for filtering abusive videos!

    (I hate to sound so salty, but its mind boggling that they would fight this so vehemently).

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  • db2@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Dear Netherlands,

    The pigboy is your problem now. Sorry not sorry.

    Sincerely,

    Everyone else

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  • GeneralInterest@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Fuck Spez

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