Custom ROMs have had just about enough of being Android's second-class citizens

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• MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Hell yes.

  It’s fucking open source, this is no different from games with intrusive anti-cheat refusing to run on Linux, except it this case it’s not even a different OS.

  It’s monopolistic and anti-user.

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  • lemmyvore@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ironically, if Graphene would succeed, it would lead to a system that’s every bit as locked down as a manufacturer’s Android. GrapheneOS would also not allow you to have root etc.

    IMO Graphene wants a place at the big player table. They’re not in it for user freedoms.

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    • saiarcot895@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      A manufacturer’s Android can have special privileges for their own apps, and almost will certainly have special privileges for Google’s apps.

      Graphene by default wouldn’t give special privileges to any app, so that’s at least a plus.

      It’s true that it would be locked down, but you at least have a couple more controls over how locked down compared to a manufacturer’s OS.

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• flop_leash_973@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The world of mobile phones is a real world example of what we avoided on the PC back in the day when the IBM BIOS got reverse engineered allowing for someone to put out an IBM compatible PC without having to pay the tithe to big blue first.

  It has been pretty depressing to me that the tech literate have been so easily lulled into accepting such things in the name of “cool toys” and “security” virtually everywhere in modern life besides the PC/laptop/server spaces.

  This sort of Google and Apple duopoly was not something that was hard to see coming a mile away, yet we all collectively let it happen anyway.

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  • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The PC was stolen fire from the gods. aRM snapdragon X will take back our fire, turn PC into smartphone on the desktop.

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    • NicolaHaskell@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Heracles could shoot the eagle and break the chains, but then Prometheus might inform Zeus of the path to Troy. Titanomachy is one way of exchanging fire, but I’m human and content to hand it back and forth between each other. The pain of letting go is nuclear enough after Gaia and Uranus’s Family Vacation tore valleys through the mountains.

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  • dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It has been pretty depressing to me that the tech literate have been so easily lulled into accepting such things in the name of “cool toys” and “security” virtually everywhere in modern life besides the PC/laptop/server spaces.

    From my exposure to supporting said folks with PC related problems, its easy to see the reality here. Phones provide a streamlined experience with zero frills. They don’t want super flexible computing devices, they want appliances. More to the point, the level of care and maintenance needed to have a top-shelf PC experience is time and effort most people would rather not expend. Doing this right was inconvenient to begin with, and left the field wide open for anything that would be easier.

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    • flop_leash_973@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      My complaint is not that the “appliance” solutions exist for those that want them. But that there is next to no room in the market now for options that are not those “appliance” solutions for those that do want them but also want to take part in the modern tech world with things like NFC payments without having to trick the services with Magisk modules.

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• umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  yeah. like my manufacturers’ 3-year-old, full-o-spyware ROM is more secure than latest lineage.

  they just want control, not security.

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  • newproph@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    graphene sandboxes Google services so they don’t run as root on your device. I haven’t encountered an app I can’t get running on graphene yet and having Google play installed as non root is a far sight better than stock.

    my biggest problem with lineage was compatibility with banking apps so I reluctantly switched but graphene is a solid choice in operating system for privacy and security.

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    • umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      does it hide root/custom roms?

      if so im interested.

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    • kspatlas@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Graphene is great, but I’m currently on a Xiaomi phone so I can’t run most ROMs, I’ll likely run derpfest when I get the bootloader unlocked

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  • TheLastOfHisName@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Myself, I use my bank’s web portal via my mobile browser. Not as instant as an app, but it gets the job done.

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    • MSugarhill@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Culprit is: I need the phones app as second factor to log in to the web interface.

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  • Cyyy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    same bs with apps not running jidt because root or apps not being visible in playstore because of it. Netflix isn’t even showing up as existing in playstore just because i have root. it’s nuts. and there are tons of apps like this.

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    • x00z@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Netflix and their DRM is so extremely stupid it’s incomprehensible. It only hurts normal users while the rippers have no issues getting the content.

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    • ReveredOxygen@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You can fix most apps with the Play Integrity Fix module and denylist. You might have to hide the magisk app too. It doesn’t get 100% of them though, I still can’t figure out how my bank app is catching it. Plus I’ve had RCS stop working with that setup, so I have to keep it disabled to avoid missing messages

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  • aquinteros@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I have been using stock for a while, but I remember using magisk root to hide root to the bank app and I never had an issue

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    • umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      i do that but sadly it aint working anymore. they implemented a new google sanctioned way of blocking it that hasnt been cracked yet.

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  • Wildly_Utilize@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Second phone just for these things wouldn’t work for what you need?

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    • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s not exactly a great solution. It works, but it’s a shitty workaround at best.

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    • umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      thats what i do atm, but its a shitty solution when i have a perfectly good phone.

      the irony is, my second vanking phone is probably less secure, because its stuck in an ancient version of android.

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  • Wildly_Utilize@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What’s changed to make banking apps more necessary?

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    • umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      you cant use banks without at least their 2fa app on your phone

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• SpiceDealer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I really hope the GrapheneOS team succeed. Custom ROMs are reason I’m really into tech today. Coding, FOSS, Linux, etc. all that came from rooting my dad’s HTC phone back in the day. Google shouldn’t cannibalize its children.

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  • 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Google shouldn’t cannibalize its children.

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    • TheDarksteel94@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Hopefully Google will also burn in some oven for a bit lol. Turn up the heat a little.

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    • NicolaHaskell@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      besides these two lazy kids and the witch who just wants to eat there’s also the hungry stepmom who pushed the idea and the dad who went along with it (until both women die and he ends up the hero)

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• sbv@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Considering the lawsuits, now seems like a good time.

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• jhdeval@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Here’s my take which i have not seen in this thread. When you buy your hardware it is yours you should be allowed to do with it as you please. If you want to wipe the device and install another ROM or os you should be able to. Much like the recent fight for “right to repair” not allowing you to do what you want with your property should not be allowed. As long as the manufacturer blocks your ability to do what you want with your hardware it isn’t really your hardware.

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  • gerbler@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Furthermore, if the manufacturer wants to pretend that they’re selling you a perpetual license to use the hardware or whatever legal bullshit they came up with on the back of a cocktail napkin then they can’t advertise using the words buy, own or anything similar without explicitly indicating in the largest font that you aren’t the owner of the product.

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  • lemmyvore@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Unfortunately that line of thinking stops at the divide between hardware and software. You can legally make a phone manufacturer let you unlock a phone’s bootloader so you can install other software, and you can forbid them from denying hardware warranty because you installed other software. Both of which apply in the EU.

    But you can’t make them have their software support or play nice with the other software that you install.

    You also can’t force manufacturers to open up drivers if they’re under NDAs and proprietary licensing (which they often are, due to extensive cross licensing because everybody’s owning patents that can lead to everybody suing everybody if they were ever used).

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    • stormeuh@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      To combat this I think drivers, firmware, etc. should be acknowledged as being in the same category as spare parts, manuals, repair tools, etc. They are equally as vital to being able to repair your device, and therefore should be open sourced at the latest when a manufacturer pulls support. Of course I would prefer them to be open sourced immediately, but with how software IP works currently that seems like a pipe dream, especially for devices with very complex drivers, like GPU’s.

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    • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This is why raspberry pi can’t use a single smartphone recycled screen despite having a DSI port and a billion oled touchscreens going to landfill.

      Also, still is impossible to make Verizon unlock bootloaders

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    • jhdeval@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You are absolutely right we can not make them give us access to drivers but just like with nvidia there are people willing to figure it out. I am not for government oversight but if the manufacturers refuse to offer any help then they may need to step in. The EU has made massive strides towards standardizing manufacturers. I also don’t think it would be necessary for the manufacturers to open source their software but its already wrote just release it as closed source so it could be used at the community level.

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• lupec@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Wow, I legit just ordered a used pixel yesterday to give graphene a try lol. Uncanny timing!

  Anyhow, that’s great news! I can really see the EU sinking its teeth into this if nothing else.

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  • Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Thankfully there are FOSS alternatives for apps like Authy. I recommend Aegis

    For your banking app, you can use this list to check if it’s compatible: privsec.dev/…/banking-applications-compatibility-…

    Using the web app might also be an option.

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  • Wildly_Utilize@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Welcome! I’ve been on it for a month or so and I’m still so thrilled

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  • newproph@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ve been using graphene for years at this point and it’s the best operating system I’ve ever had on a phone. Before this my favorite phone was a jail broken iPhone 5c. I even got a pixel tablet to take notes on for college recently and put graphene on it as well.

    Only thing Google has right atm is leaving the bootloader on their phones unlocked.

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  • queasy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I plan on doing the same thing, any tips on finding cheap recent-ish Pixels?

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    • Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The Pixel 6a is really cheap on the used market, and it still gets updates for at least 3 years.

      The 7a isn’t that expensive either. I recommend staying away from Fairphones, Murena or /e/OS as these are highly insecure, and the companies behind them have repeatedly proven that they don’t give even the slightest fuck about the security of their users. They don’t publish important Android security patches on time, and Fairphone even managed to fully break Android Verified Boot, by signing their ROM with the publicly available (!!!) AOSP test signing keys. It should have been impossible to pass verification, but the vendor conducting the verification seems to be just as incompetent.

      A used Pixel with GrapheneOS is your best option, while still being affordable.

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    • Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      A brand new Murena Fairphone 4 (North America) is about $600 brand new, IIRC. I’ve been on one for the last 6 months and it’s excellent.

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    • lupec@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m in an unsupported region so I’m afraid I can’t help much :(

      In my case I just looked around a local eBay-like site and went with a reputable enough seller, fairly standards stuff.

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    • newproph@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I would recommend buying a used phone from the most recent generation. I had my pixel 5 die on me about 7 months after I got it used due to a major Android update. Phone crashed hard and bricked, so don’t get a 5 (even though it was my favorite design of the pixels). I have an 8 right now I bought it refurbished on Amazon. It works great and I know it will last a while being the most recent model. Also check FB marketplace if you have a Facebook account. People in my area are selling phones often.

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  • marcuslee@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I would totally buy a Pixel too but apparently most Pixels here are black market and the IMEIs are banned so I don’t wanna risk getting one that can’t connect to cell networks

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    • lupec@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Oof that’s scary. Good thing I have a decent enough return window to at least make sure stuff like that isn’t the case, at least.

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  • communism@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Enjoy! For future reference I’d recommend just getting the latest Pixel as you’ll get the longest software support. E.g. a Pixel 8a is supported till May 2031, which is plenty of time to get a lot of usage out of your phone.

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    • lupec@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Right, I’d love to spring up for a 8th gen pixel but I live in an unsupported region and my currency is worth fuck all so I’ll have to make do with a secondhand 7 pro lol. Still fantastic longevity all things considered.

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    • JCreazy@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      At the price of the Pixel 8a, I would suggest getting the Pixel 8 instead.

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  • marcuslee@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I would totally buy a Pixel too but apparently most Pixels here are black market and the IMEIs are banned so I don’t wanna risk getting one that can’t connect to cell networks.

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• androidisking@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Here’s a harsh truth and a reality some tech users need to wake up to.

  Google has never cared about open-source. They have never cared about user-choice/user freedom. They could easily tomorrow make Android closed-source and that would be the end of Android. It has always been about control. Apple got that authoritarian idea correct long ago by locking down the entire OS.

  Google is allowing open-source modding only because there’s a large community out there that cares and wants it to thrive. And since it runs on Linux, it would make Google look VERY bad if they removed bootloader unlocking, open source, removed features that causes issues for custom roms.

  Google doesn’t care you YOU. If they really cared, they wouldn’t be slowly removing features or adding anti-user features that in the long run, don’t benefit anyone but them.

  I’m glad the government declared them a convicted monopoly. I’m still ashamed it took them this long to finally go through with it.

  What an insane world we live in.

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  • LwL@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Afaik GPL 2 would be stopping google from making android closed source anyway, unless I got something wrong about the license terms. But if anything that supports your argument. The main reason google is generally supportive of open source is that they recognize that they benefit from it. The moment that changes, google will try their best to close off anything it can (granted I don’t think it’s that likely to change, but they’re already abusing their position plenty).

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• mlg@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I hope some OEM (especially those opposed to google) picks up and develops mainline linux like Pine Phone. There are already several mobile UXs and distros with prebuilt images available as well, and it has been shown multiple times that Android apps can run fairly easily on linux. It would be a big risk, but I think it’d at least find a market success like the Steam Deck.

  Android in its current state is the same as Chromebooks. A glorified walled garden of google’s crappy choices & DRM which just so happens to run on the Linux kernel because it’s free. People downvote me for this, but I maintain that even Dalvik and the android runtime itself is an inefficient relic of 10+ years ago when mobile devices had at most 2gb of ram and a tiny low power ARM processor.

  It runs like complete crap sometimes on modern devices despite huge advancements in the underlying tech. It feels like a knockoff JVM which is already a known memory hog.

  On top of that, it sticks with single kernel releases with proprietary OEM binaries so you have devices out here running on kernels as old as 3.x because no custom ROM will be able to recompile the device modules for a newer kernel.

  It is almost hilarious to me that Moonshell, a multimedia homebrew software for the Nintendo DS (4mb of RAM), has more complete features, file compatibility, and better UI design than at least 95% of the music apps on Google Play. And it was written by literally one guy. I was honestly surprised at just how many music players lacked functionality as basic as supporting m3u playlists.

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  • erwan@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The problem of being stuck on an old kernel isn’t because of Google or Android, but because of chip makers (e.g. Qualcomm) not providing drivers.

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    • jabjoe@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I do blame Google. It’s their platform. They could mandate upstream kernels.

      They could define auto discoverablity for their platform hardware. Then it would be possible for generic ROMs to boot on any Android phone.

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  • _bonbon_@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I feel that the mobile world is ripe for disruption. There has not been excitement for new devices in a while from me and my friends who are all into tech. I remember 00s and early 10s where we used to discuss new devices all the time.

    Most of us are STUCK with Apple and Google because they have both built walled gardens. It is not just the apps, it is also moving away from open standards, moving away from even files. e.g., 10 years ago mp4 files used to hold all the metadata related to a TV Show/Movie so if you put that into a device (iTunes for example) it’ll have all the metadata, now this info is in a separate database. SMS for all it’s flaws was open, now google wants us to believe RCS is also open (LOL).

    This has led to a basic degradation in all the basics, echoing your example that it is impossible to find a decent music app.

    Even apples own music has has ACTIVELY DEGRADED. Bottom bar of apple music app was “Albums”, “Songs”, “Artists”, and “Playlists” and YOU COULD CHANGE THE BOTTOM BAR. Now it is literally “Home” == Ads, “Browse” == Ads (pls buy apple music), “Search” == Ads. and LITERALLY only 1 page called “Library” where you can access your own purchased library. Same happened with apple books.

    Android has seen similar shitty stuff, I remember being excited about actually FUN android games, tiny thief, vector, cut the rope, where is my water, etc. Now it is all ads, paywall nonsense.

    Not to mention the Today page of the Playstore ACTUALLY USED TO BE USEFULL for highlighting some apps. And is not LITERALLY ONLY F***** ADS.

    I feel/hope/pray that we have a SteveJobs 2007 type iPhone event around the corner, because everyone is ready for it.

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    • ____@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There really is a dearth of choices. I’ve little love for Google’s version of android, mostly for privacy reasons.

      If I could get a decent phone that ran at reasonable speed for a tolerable price, without the tracking, I’d be willing to give it a go - and endure more than a few pain points.

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  • emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I hope some OEM (especially those opposed to google) picks up and develops mainline linux like Pine Phone.

    Huawei is being forced to do it. But like Android, their HarmonyOS is not 100% open-source. There’s also KaiOS, which some Nokia and Alcatel, and all Jio, devices use.

    even Dalvik and the android runtime itself is an inefficient relic of 10+ years ago when mobile devices had at most 2gb of ram and a tiny low power ARM processor.

    Both the ones I mentioned are designed to be more memory efficient. KaiOS in particular is aimed primarily at feature phones and entry-level smartphones.

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• Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Even without the custom ROMs, the whole Android ecosystem is a colossal fucking mess.

  I’ve got old apps that won’t work any more. It’s not even compatible with itself.

  People give Windows a load of shit, and deservedly so for some of it, but it’s a million times more usable than Android when you want shit to “just work”.

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  • FutileRecipe@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ve got old apps that won’t work any more.

    I’m actually for this. The bar to entry for the Play Store is too low with too many low quality and unmaintained apps. I’m all for booting insecure and super old apps. They cheapen the ecosystem.

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    • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Well that’s all very well, but I’ve got a bathroom speaker I can no longer access.

      So how about instead of Daddy Google deciding what’s best for everyone, they let things run and give you a warning?

      Hell, I’ve even got games I’ve paid for that are now gone. Honestly, fuck them for even thinking that’s acceptable.

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  • Squizzy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    How we all wish there was a third option, I would genuinely take less functionality in favour of privacy and performance. I don’t need AI and fancy image processing. I want to use my phone to pay the old way, like when samsung copied the magnetic strip info, not like now where google gets a copy of my receipts.

    Sucks iOS is the alternative, nearly gave in last week but the price was just too much for what I was getting.

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  • Emerald@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ve got old apps that won’t work any more.

    That’s true for every operating system. Old apps aren’t updated to use new system APIs and such and they eventually stop working.

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    • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yet I can compile applications that work on Windows XP, and they still work under Windows 11.

      It’s not as if Android is some svelte slimline OS where every byte matters. There’s plenty of room there for keeping compatibility with older apps.

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  • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Software that is 10 years old and unmaintained is likely unsafe to use and therefore shouldn’t work. Windows has a lot of issues specifically because it’s backward compatible with ancient software, actually. Security and a path forward should matter more than clinging to old software that must stop working someday regardless of how hard you try to delay it. Emulation/VMs are and should be a way to work around that on desktop and it would actually be nice if mobile OSes had that too. That way at least the ancient software can be sandboxed and not a security weakpoint. The right approach though is not to do this horrible patchwork of APIs like windows which creates a security nightmare

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  • TunaCowboy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ve got old apps that won’t work any more.

    People give Windows a load of shit… but it’s a million times more usable than Android

    Where do you run your old Windows Phone apps nowadays? What about new Windows Phone apps?

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    • Hamartia@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      On my Windows Phone silly

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• mrvictory1@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I just want to buy a Linux laptop with VoLTE and be done with the product line “smart phone”.

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  • bitwolf@lemmy.one ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Agreed. I always love the idea of the HTC Mini +.

    Put the sim in your laptop, that’s the connectivity hub. The mini phone piggybacks the LTE connection so you don’t have to pull out your laptop for simple calls, texts, navigation or music actions.

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  • yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There are community made projects for the framework laptop that add LTE using an expansion card

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  • Smokeydope@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You can put a SIM card in many thinkpads and there are services https://jmp.chat/ that let you use your computer as a VOIP phone. I haven’t tried JMP but it always seemed cool.

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    • mrvictory1@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Neither is available in my region and Skype’s webpage does not mention making calls, only receiving them.

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• towerful@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The only reason I stopped using grapheneOS was because Google contactless payment didn’t work.
  Loved everything else about graphene tho

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• Wildly_Utilize@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Recently moved to grapheme couldn’t be happier

  I don’t care about these apps but it will only get worse over time if not addressed.

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• xavier666@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  More power to them

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• jabjoe@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Why does this call the problem by it’s name, monopoly.

  Android is another area Google are abusing their monopoly. Sure the phone market is a duopoly, but that doesn’t help. Apple is even more locked down and user abusing.

  Lots of app companies, like bank apps, think locking their apps to only work on official Android is best for security, but that compounds the monopoly. It’s also arguably less secure!

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• bitwolf@lemmy.one ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Really the only thing holding me back from switching to GrapheneOS is that some of my alls fail CTS.

  If a proper pathway is defined for custom ROMs I’d switch in a heartbeat.

  Hoping this initiative leads to a reasonable outcome.

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• JCreazy@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m running Graphene OS and its been solid. A few issues here and there with app compatibility but it is fantastic.

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• xia@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What get’s me is the “this phone cant be trusted” message on boot. Implying oem roms are trustworthy, but nothing i choose.

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• SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s high time we break apart all those large tech companies!

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• Unreliable@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Even just being rooted on the stock Pixel rom is a fight. It’s a constant cat and mouse game to pass basic and device integrity, but as of recently a lot of us have been able to pass strong integrity as well which has been nice.

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• Snapz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I have a still very capable for my needs “once flagship” stock Samsung phone that is now about 7 years old. I still have a good 2-5 years use with this thing based on hardware performance alone. Google and others have started to conspire to make “1000 cuts” with artificial app compatibility “issues” and the like that try to force my hand to upgrade HW. Most would buy a new phone, but this will inspire me to dig back into the custom Rom flashing of my youth, to get the next 2-5 years I’m deserved from this hardware.

  Thank you to all the hardworking people that drive the ROM community to this day.

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• Eiri@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I really hope they fix this. When support for my old OnePlus 6 stopped, I was going to install a custom ROM until I realized bank apps, and most security-centered apps, wouldn’t work. So I ran with an out-if-date, possibly vulnerable OS for a year until (probably) corrosion from liquid exposure finally did the phone in.

  Really bad thing to incentivize.

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• jetsetdorito@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  the only reason I’ve wanted to be rooted in recent years is when I didn’t have hotspot on my plan and the most complete way around that was with root.

  I think I would like a degoogled Lineage/Graphene OS though

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• Emerald@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Efforts like Graphene OS face increasing pressure from apps that refuse to run on non-standard Android.

  I call those “apps not worth using”

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• pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  wonder what calyxos is doing.

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• priapus@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I love running a custom ROM, but I’m concerned RCS is going to become a deal break for me :(

  I love that text messaging will finally not be complete shit between iOS and Android, but RCS is such a shitty locked down protocol.

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• bruhduh@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  www.youtube.com/watch?v=4To-F6W1NT0

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• orl0pl@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Motorola ROM is fine

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