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• Mazoku@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Oh cool the 100th article about Discord being a hot pile of dogshit.

  Well everyone will still use it anyways

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  • errer@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Serious question: what is an alternative? They’re all dogshit.

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Matrix.

      It still sucks, but it’s at least FOSS, and you can host your own instance if you want full control.

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    • ricdeh@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Revolt (it’s FOSS)

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    • Petter1@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Discourse is a way, but matrix works as well

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    • rab@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s like everyone forgot teamspeak exists overnight

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    • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The alternative is IRC. I’m not sure why that’s not an option anymore when Discord is just IRC with a few extra features.

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• efstajas@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s been a pretty common practice for years for online services. At my previous job we implemented something like this too, making a guess at the gender of users based on just their name and some additional information. The only reason we did that is because we didn’t want to ask people for their gender when they registered, we only needed the data for investor reporting and marketing decisions, and both of those use cases are OK with a rather large margin of error.

  I assume Discord would do this for similar reasons.

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  • Wanangwa_Bamidele@thelemmy.club ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But why predict gender ? How do we use that information anyway ?

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• Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Would be quite surprising if there was an ads-based platform that doesn’t do that. Age and gender are among the most relevant things when targeting ads.

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  • hikaru755@feddit.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Except discord is not ads-based? I’ve never seen a third party ad on there

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    • Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Fair enough. I don’t use Discord so I’m not sure but my understanding is that it’s free to use. So how do they fund it? I presume by collecting user data to target advertising or to be sold to 3rd parties.

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  • Reucnalts@feddit.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    And i dont have any problem with companies knowing/assuming my gender and age. They arent crucial for me. If i tell you my age now you can use the info as long as you know when you got it. Data like visited websites, items you looked at, places you had vacation. I think there are much more valuable and protectable personal information as gender and age( age as long as it isnt exact date of birth)

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• joyjoy@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What if my gender is undefined?

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  • Norgur@fedia.io ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Then the wise and benevolent machine learning algorithm will make it so that it isn't undefined anymore and you will live by it's holy verdict.

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    • joyjoy@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      My gender was assigned randomly at account creation

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  • jabathekek@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    My gender is null.

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    • OsaErisXero@kbin.run ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      male'); DROP TABLE Gender;--

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    • Iapar@feddit.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      My gender is not important.

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  • Chozo@fedia.io ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Discord: "Then we will define it."

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• Donut@leminal.space ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  “Like other companies, we use information to help us understand our business and improve the product. That includes certain inferences we may make about users. We include this information in users’ data requests for transparency, and users can limit the information we use by toggling the “Use data to improve Discord” off in the Privacy & Safety settings.”

  So nothing really interesting. They are allowed to make a guess at my gender, I don’t care. They don’t have 3rd party ads and don’t sell my data, so it’s cool.

  I know this goes against the grain here and we love to pile on walled gardens, but it’s really nothing out of the ordinary.

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  • whereisk@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I don’t see a valid reason to guess the gender of their users other than to sell profiles to ad providers. I can’t see how discord may evolve their discussion platform differently depending on the gender mix of their platform.

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    • Donut@leminal.space ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      As lemmy.world/u/efstajas pointed out, it’s pretty common.

      Discord doesn’t sell your data. They repeatedly state they don’t in their terms of service, and they would be in big trouble if caught lying about that.

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• ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Gonna be real with you: I don’t really care if they’re using machine learning to try to predict my gender, as long as it’s not being forced to appear on my profile.

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  • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I have to agree. I don’t care if their own data analytics are wrong. If they think 80% of their users are women when it’s only 60%, that’s their problem, not mine.

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    • SkyezOpen@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah Google simultaneously thinks I’m a teenage man and mid 40s woman. Like sure bud, whatever makes you happy.

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• Shady_Shiroe@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • elleybirdy@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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    • Shady_Shiroe@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Never heard of that subreddit, then again I wasn’t on Reddit for long when the API migration began

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  • DmMacniel@feddit.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Old joke is old.

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  • MxM111@kbin.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Down to the model and loading.

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• Kowowow@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m faking my pronouns if I can’t leave it blank I hate those things

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• Resol@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  First I get misgendered by actual humans, and now I’m potentially gonna be a victim of misgendering by robots.

  I bet they’re gonna say I’m a girl too. I am not. I have never been one. I was assigned male at birth, identify as male, and use he/him pronouns. Stop telling me otherwise.

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  • 0x0@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Discord didn’t tell you your gender and they didn’t put it on your profile either.

    It’s only guessing it internally for their own purposes, like most companies out there.

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    • Resol@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      At least it’s not as bad as I thought.

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  • lengau@midwest.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You too, huh?

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    • Resol@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yep.

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  • HKayn@dormi.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Then tell them what your pronouns are? I don’t get the issue here.

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    • Resol@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Sometimes people apologize, othertimes other people insist that I need to “behave like a man” even though it conflicts with my personality massively.

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    • Donut@leminal.space ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s not related to the pronoun picker bot, it’s just for analytics

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• CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Discord users when they get a pronoun slot to fill shouldn’t be suprised when it gets used by AÍ.

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  • Zekas@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Man, everything about me will be fed to a machine somewhere eventually. I don’t have the resources nor will to go sufficiently off-grid to prevent that so I’ll just take people knowing my pronouns instead.

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• Wirlocke@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The gender thing is creepy, but if they could predict age groups then in a perfect world they could analyze adult users talking to children and shut that down.

  In a perfect world though, I doubt they’d put effort into making their app safer, heavens no.

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  • Supermariofan67@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I don’t think the severe privacy consequences could ever justify any use of this

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  • ricdeh@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yk, there are genuine conversations between adults and teenagers outside of paedophilia

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    • erwan@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Maybe even this discussion is involving both teenagers and adults

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    • Wirlocke@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      On Discord though there are a lot of unchecked predation. Theoretically if this were implemented it would let them see the most suspicious users that interact with an unusual amount of children and review if the messages are inappropriate.

      But all that’s unlikely because if they actually cared they’d implement other simpler solutions first. So this idea is just hypothetical but not ideal.

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  • Iapar@feddit.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Pedophiles drive engagement so why would they be against that?

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  • Etterra@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Not unless they’re forced to.

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• nokturne213@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Is it only for people who have put none? Or is it overriding people’s preferences?

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  • Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s a backend identification, likely used to target advertising in the future.

    They’re also tagging people with their suspected age bracket.

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  • Strayce@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    From the article, it seems like it isn’t overriding preferences if you have it set in the app. Looks like it’s an analytics thing in the backend at the moment. Of course, I wouldn’t put it past them to eventually require ID if your settings don’t match their prediction.

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  • Donut@leminal.space ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You don’t give your gender to Discord when signing up. It’s also nothing to do with the pronouns that you can set with the integrated app/bot, that only counts for the server you’re in

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• inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Trans folk

  “Oh what fresh hell is this?!”

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• Etterra@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Let’s see if we can trick it into using a fictional gender. Like Andorians from Star Trek or something.

  Alternatively, “it/that.”

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• arin@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Discord turning into Facebook

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• Sabata11792@kbin.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I asked people not to talk about me in my gender section. I'm just paranoid.

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• JadenSmith@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Politics aside, im interested in how this will predict my gender. Many people mistake me for a woman, from text, and I have been unsure as to why. I’m intrigued to see what this would predict, for me.

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• Wanangwa_Bamidele@thelemmy.club ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So, what is concern if ML model predict my gender ? Whether it is correct or not, what is the concern ?

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  • elleybirdy@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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    • Wanangwa_Bamidele@thelemmy.club ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah creepy. But I wonder what they can do with that information. For example, if I am a girl but they assign me as a boy, what can happen to me ?

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