Every generation has this moment, where they learn to hate Microsoft (or Micro$oft). Then, 4% install Linux, 6% buy a Mac with half the RAM for twice the price; and everyone else to keeps complaining.
Microsoft wants to hide the 'Sign out' button in Windows 11 behind a Microsoft 365 ad
Submitted 6 months ago by Frellwit@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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_edge@discuss.tchncs.de 6 months ago
TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 6 months ago
With me it was when they killed off my favorite browser. I'm now using the reanimated bushy red corpse of it.
brbposting@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
What was your favorite browser?
k_rol@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
This is the way
TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 6 months ago
This is what happens when they know you won't leave.
"But muh games...and Linux is too difficult and weird"
Well then you've made your choice, didn't you?
Prethoryn@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Why is the target of your comment towards people that use Windows?
I am not sure why People on Lemmy feel like if they point something out to people who can’t see the comment is going to get them to change their mind.
I have and use both Linux and Windows. I prefer both for different reasons.
TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 6 months ago
I know I'm talking into the void. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I'm too tired of trying to do that anymore. Just trying to get people to realize they made the choices they have to live with.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Another day, another piece of enshittification by MS, another reason to talk about our Lord and Saviour, Linus Torvalds, if you can spare a few minutes.
Takios@discuss.tchncs.de 6 months ago
Ads have evolved into a cancer that is just growing and growing, making everything around them worse.
SaltySalamander@fedia.io 6 months ago
Ads have always been a cancer.
rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
Not exactly. When the webmaster you knew put a banner in the corner of their site with ads from one and the same source, in one and the same place, not popping up and not bothering you, it really felt fine. I even felt the urge to click that and see where it leads.
Remember also Opera free version with that ad banner.
countessssmeltdown@lemmy.world 6 months ago
The best part is when spammers and ad generators realized how easy it is to use GPT to automate and increased the number of spam bots and ads.
Zier@fedia.io 6 months ago
What I love the most about Windows is just how easy it is to find all the user settings I need to change.
And I super appreciate how they configure things that work so perfect for me. It's like I never need to make decisions of my own, they can read my mind.
/Soriginalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 6 months ago
theyre turning the deskop into a mobile platform which is inherently difficult to mod. this is so they can provide it as a service to any device.
k_rol@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
You got me on the first half
Gullible@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
In total, I expect this to cost about a minute or two of my life if they never remove the ads. This figure is fairly typical for daily windows users, of which ~400kk are on win11. Microsoft will steal ~1.5*400,000,000 minutes with these ads. Ads that nearly no one will even consider click. 600,000,000 minutes=10,000,000 hours=1140 years. Multiple lifetimes in aggregate, all to be thrown away for nothing. I’d like to send a very strongly worded knot tying tutorial to Satya Nadella and Brad Smith.
hubobes@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Now figure out how much that is in lost revenue and write a headline like „Microsoft to loose economy one million gazzillion $“.
Kelly@lemmy.world 6 months ago
lost revenue
You can be sure this is retail only.
Enterprise Windows won’t have this feature and now appears to have added value for corporate customers.
psud@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Lots of people will spend a few hours then several tens of minutes monthly or so finding out how and then disabling the ads after each update
tsonfeir@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Squeak@lemmy.world 6 months ago
As much as everyone pushes Linux, it’s not a suitable replacement in a lot of scenarios
Dagamant@lemmy.world 6 months ago
But it is a suitable replacement in a lot of scenarios. Most scenarios. The only time it isn’t is in niche specialty situations.
Matriks404@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Is there something like PowerToys Run for KDE? That’s one of the utilities I would miss the most when switching to Linux.
gaylord_fartmaster@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yeah, KRunner, and it’s been around longer than Powertoys.
I never really used it on Windows so I don’t know if it has all the same features, but there’s probably some way to make whatever you need from it work.
The whole point of PowerToys was essentially to implement the features Windows was missing that the Linux DEs had already.
Sekoia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
PopOS’s COSMIC menu is like that I think (you can search files, the web, even stuff like turning volume up and down)? But I’ve never tried to run it outside of PopOS.
realbadat@programming.dev 6 months ago
TheChurn@kbin.social 6 months ago
Linux and Nvidia really need to sort out their shit so I can fully dump windows.
Luckily the AI hype is good for something in this regard, since I running gpus on Linux servers is suddenly much more important.
Bulletdust@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’ve been running NVIDIA under Linux for about six years now, with no more issues than one would encounter running hardware/drivers from a number of manufacturers under a number of platforms.
ManniSturgis@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
My old HP printer won’t even install on Win10 anymore. The have also removed the driver from the HP website. I’m sure you can still find it on some sketchy website, but I’d rather just use Mint on a laptop for printing all the 3 documents I print each year.
puchaczyk@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
All that AI can’t pay for itself, I guess.
MudMan@fedia.io 6 months ago
Wait, so this is not about the power menu, it's about the pop up when clicking on your account if you're signed in. They aren't adding a step to logging out of your local windows account, just to logging out of your Microsoft account if you're using that as a login.
The "Lock" button also has a new home—it now sits in the power menu alongside "Shut down," "Restart," and "Sleep" options.
THAT is where the Lock button was? Not gonna lie, I've been Windows-L-ing so long I didn't even know they had moved that to the account bubble.
I'll be honest, the article is a bit overdramatic. Yeah, they are surfacing your services there to upsell you on the ones you don't have, but it's actually not a useless piece of info (currently finding your subscriptions is an ordeal) and none of the functionality is gone. It is true that a lot of UX things around Win11 have gotten worse, though. I'm currently using additional software to replace the taskbar (which will do the Start menu, too, if you want) because the inability to move it to the sides is ridiculous on the OS you're most likely to pair with an ultrawide monitor.
deweydecibel@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’ll be honest, the article is a bit overdramatic. Yeah, they are surfacing your services there to upsell you on the ones you don’t have, but it’s actually not a useless piece of info (currently finding your subscriptions is an ordeal) and none of the functionality is gone.
Look up “boiling a frog”
They count on this exact reaction.
Every time they implement these little bullshit changes, people inevitably go “It’s annoying but it’s not that big a deal.” And then they do more of it a few months later.
The article isn’t being hyperbolic because it’s reacting to the overall trend that this is yet another step forward in. Because the writer and everyone here knows it will get worse and worse over time.
Dark patterns are, by design, slow and incremental so as not to trigger too much pushback at once. People need to start being more aware of it and pushing back on it when they see it.
And yes, that information is probably useful to some people, but that doesn’t in any way justify hiding the options that used to be there.
elvith@feddit.de 6 months ago
Do you know the term “trust thermocline”?
Basically it described a problem with the boiling the frog technique. There’s a point for every user at which they’re fed up with the bullshit, lose all trust in you(r company) and are hard to impossible to get back as a customer. Every customer leaving has a little unnoticeable effect on you, but with time there will be so many people that you lost that all your tactics to lock your users in will fail.
huginn@feddit.it 6 months ago
Look up “boiling a frog”
MudMan@fedia.io 6 months ago
Yeeeeah, but this isn't a dark pattern, though. That's what I'm saying.
The article really wants it to be, but... well, it's not. The option to log out remains in the same place as the rest of your account info, and the account info they are surfacing is actually useful and relevant to how much money you're spending. They are making it easier to subscribe, for sure, but also to cancel, which used to be pretty hidden away.
I get that this fits into a wider pattern for both MS and other major software companies, but if they inch towards the boiled frog at this pace we're probably fine.
Now, if they ever try (again) to make MS accounts mandatory for Windows or to move Windows to a sub, we can have this conversation. As others said below, when you try to inch people towards dealbreakers you can find yourself losing ground very quickly. Especially if a new comparable alternative surfaces at the same time.
MajorHavoc@programming.dev 6 months ago
I’ve held off on saying it until now (I haven’t), but now I’m going to call it (again):
This is the year of the Linux Desktop.
(It feels love someone influential at Microsoft is trying to protect my reputation and force my prediction to come true.)
nexusband@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I finally switched my gaming rig two weeks ago. Been great so far, except VR and I’ll admit, the Xbox Game Pass missing…I wish gog or someone would come up with something like it, because there have been a lot of games I started and didn’t finish because they just haven’t been my cup of tea…
Now if Autodesk would get their shit together as well, things could be happening at work as well.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 6 months ago
i had gamepass working via browser on my computer.
my controller, on the other hand, never worked in the browser, so it kinda made it pointless thatn gamepass worked
Juice88@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I setup my ROG Ally to dual boot Linux about a week ago and have had plugged into a monitor and I have not had any issues using it in desktop mode. If not for Easy Anti-cheat I’d being a thing I wouldn’t have much reason to keep windows on my main pc.
Matriks404@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Jesus Fucking Christ. They really want people to switch to Linux, don’t they?
originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 6 months ago
as soon as they require a microsoft account to use versions of windows, they are apple... minus the mobile, but plus a metric shittone of things apple doesnt.
not that any of that is good, microsoft should die in a fire.. but theyve spent 20 years building an OS-as-a-service platform and its coming to fruition. they might be slow, but rest assured they will get their captured, vertically integrated audience.
ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Great to know. Not that I ever fucking use that menu, opting to use the sleep button on my keyboard instead.
original_reader@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Is there somewhere a guide in how to get started with gaming on Linux?
ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Tbh it’s pretty easy. Install Linux, install Steam.
invertedspear@lemm.ee 6 months ago
WTF happened to Microsoft? What a fall. Is this a leadership thing?
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 6 months ago
They were always about screwing over consumers to make money. The only thing that changed is that they’ve become increasingly unsubtle about it.
rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
Their way to screw customers with W2K was very persuasive. Such a clean UI, everything looking so relaxed and, eh, not commercialized. That startup sound. Those wallpapers.
Later I learned that that’s also when they released those Unix services for Windows (may have swapped words), with which you really could have something practical with an X server and POSIX-compatible applications and so on.
And compared to W9x it was very stable.
richmondez@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Turns out you can make more money by reducing usability and user choice in an entrenched product because hardly anyone will baulk and jump ship to a different product.
fubo@lemmy.world 6 months ago
People pay for this?
AlexanderESmith@kbin.social 6 months ago
Usually they just over-pay for their computer because you can't really buy a system without Windows pre-installed (unless you build it).
I have so many computers that came with Windows installations that I never even booted into.
EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 6 months ago
“Can’t really buy a computer without Windows pre-installed”? Weird, that’s not my experience. The stores allow filtering by “no OS” and you can see quite a lot of options.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I don’t see any enshitiffication features and ads in Windows 11 that Lemmy and tech news are reporting. I wonder if it’s because I’m in the EU.
terminhell@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Bruh
BaardFigur@lemmy.world 6 months ago
EU, please do something about that.
ABCDE@lemmy.world 6 months ago
When will VR be a thing in Linux?
dubyakay@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
When Valve decides to.
BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
The Quest is Android based, which is Linux based, so kinda if you’re cool with two layers of megacorp between you and the kernel.
n3m37h@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Windows key + L
Try and put an as on my keyboard ya stupid fucks
capital@lemmy.world 6 months ago
That’s lock, not sign out.
But a little autohotkey could probably take care of this for you.
psud@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Alt+F4
Voytrekk@lemmy.world 6 months ago
That’s the lock screen combo, not sign out. To quickly sign out: win+x, u, i. i can be replaced with u for shutdown or r for restart.
Juice88@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Ewe 😆
sag@lemm.ee 6 months ago
What is Window 365? Is it a cloud based OS? If Yes, then all High End Machine will become useless?
whatsgoingdom@rollenspiel.forum 6 months ago
It’s what Microsoft opted to call their office suite now. So Office365 is now officially Microsoft 365 in an effort to acknowledge that your office work has now completely left their focus and they are only concentrating on themselves
originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 6 months ago
its 'msoffice as a service'... and it sucks donkey balls. imagine tryin to manipulate a giant dataset in a web version of excel in a browser tab. annoying enough in the binary, impossible in 'office365-excel'
towerful@programming.dev 6 months ago
I mean, even desktop excel isn’t great for that. Doubley so if you have to use dates/times and timezones
thehatfox@lemmy.world 6 months ago
With how aggressive Microsoft is becoming with ads, services, and data collection they could at least make Windows itself free.
But no, you still have to pay £100+ per license to have the pleasure of putting up with this crap.
Vendul@feddit.de 6 months ago
massgrave.dev
Robin@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Piracy is not a real solution to the problem. Microsoft allows these sorts of things to exist in the background because they would rather lose out on some sales than lose market share.