AI hiring tools may be filtering out the best job applicants

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• 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Thats ok… Idiotic hiring practices will filter out the worst companies

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They won’t, though. Because these are cost-saving tools for multi-nationals with enormous capital footprints.

    McDonalds isn’t going anywhere, no matter how bad their hiring practices get. The only real risk they run is in their poor ability to bring people on quickly resulting in storefronts more vulnerable to unionization.

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    • abhibeckert@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      McDonalds isn’t going anywhere, no matter how bad their hiring practices get.

      I disagree. Screwing up your hiring process is a Darwin Award level mistake for a company. McDonalds is very very good at hiring people and by far their biggest strength is their willingness to hire people who aren’t good enough and then giving those people the training they need to succeed at work.

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    • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Because these are cost-saving tools for multi-nationals with enormous capital footprints.

      Hiring shitty employees is not a cost-saving measure.

      McDonalds isn’t going anywhere

      Something tells me McDonald’s hiring process is not too important.

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• Rentlar@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Of course AI does has bias with casual racism and sexism. It’s been trained on a whole workforce that’s gone through the same.

  I’ve gotten calls for jobs I’m way underqualified for with some sneaky tricks, which I’ll hint involves providing a resume that looks normal to human eyes, but when reduced to plaintext essentially regurgitates the job posting in full for a machine to read. Of course I don’t make it past 1 or 2 interviews in such cases but just a tip for my fellow Lemmings going through the bullshit process.

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  • spujb@lemmy.cafe ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    tucking bonkers that institutionalized racism can exist to such a degree that it shows up IN OUR COMPUTERS.

    we’re so racist we made the computers discriminatory too.

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    • themurphy@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I don’t think you know how LLM’s are trained then. It can become racist by mistake.

      An example is, that there’s 100.000 white people and 50.000 black people in a society. The statistic shows that there has been hired 50% more white people than black. What does this tell you?

      Obvious! There’s also 50% more white people to begin with, so black and white people are hired at the same rate! But what does the AI see?

      It sees 50% increase in hiring white people. And then it can lean towards doing the same.

      You see how this was / is in no way racist, but it ends up as it, as a consequence of something completely different.

      TLDR People are still racist though, but it’s not always why the AI is.

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  • FaceDeer@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Why are you applying for jobs that you're not qualified for? Even if you BS your way through the interviews you'll have to actually do the work.

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    • Rentlar@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Buckshot strategy. I applied to hundreds of jobs over the year. Some had intermediate/junior in the position. Some were just at companies I wanted to be at more, even if not that specifically.

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    • Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You’ve not looked at job postings in a while, have you?

      No one is “qualified” for anything anymore. I’ve literally seen postings with requirements like “8 years experience with [Programming Language]” when said language was only created 3 years ago.

      They’re all written by HR drones with zero understanding of the actual needs of the department they’re hiring for.

      You have to apply for things you’re unqualified for if you want to get anywhere now.

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    • bane_killgrind@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      "qualified" is a loaded term. Industry or product knowledge go a long way to succeed in quite a few businesses.

      As an example "Unqualified" for sales might just mean the applicant doesn't have an MBA or whatever other degree, even though they have dealt with break fix service and other solution oriented work.

      Similarly, if a sales rep went into installation or project management they would have a leg up.

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  • ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    How do you make something like that?

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    • rimu@piefed.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      White text on a white page?

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    • Rentlar@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Are you a recruiter or someone making HR software?

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• Rooki@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  didnt they already do that? Just denying until the ultra perfect fit worker appears?

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  • altima_neo@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The easy thing now is we just gotta learn how to game the algorithm

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    • Rooki@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Prompt injection for the win.

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Spending more and more of my time learning to game the algorithm so I can work a job that pays me under the cost of living?

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  • Vanth@reddthat.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    By simple keyword filtering, yeah. Anyone who spent 10 min doing a websearch on modern application processes would know to take keywords from the job post description and use them in a resume.

    In the past ~5 years my company started using pre-recorded video screening too. So a candidate was asked 1-3 questions, they submitted recordings of themselves answering, then hiring managers could watch them later.

    As much as I dislike it from the perspective of a potential candidate, I like it from the perspective of a hiring manager. It was asynchronous, so we didn’t have to dance around finding a meeting time that worked for everyone. It self-filtered a lot of candidates who didn’t really want the job or who were uncomfortable with zoom/videoconferencing technology (a requirement for this job). It was very apparent who prepped and who didn’t. It was an easy “no thanks” filter when they submitted recordings of themselves, with no time constraints mind you, wearing totally work inappropriate clothes with filthy backgrounds and an unprofessional attitude. That’s the one that got me the most: the tool gave unlimited time to prep, unlimited time to record, and unlimited number of reattempts. Yet I still got a person wearing workout clothes, unkempt hair, shelves of undresses dolls in the background, and a stunning lack of understanding over an easily websearchable question. It saved hours of time between HR and the interview panel to just say “thanks, no thanks” off the submitted video.

    I see AI-based filtering of candidates turning out the same. The people who get it and know how to write a resume and interview will be fine. The people who already struggle will struggle more.

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    • conciselyverbose@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Your company requiring video submissions for a fucking application is the easiest "this company is batshit insane and there's no possibility working for them could ever be worth it" red flag I've ever seen.

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    • NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If you care about my appearance more than my ability to do the job I wouldn’t want to work with you anyway.

      I literally roll out of bed most mornings without looking in rhe mirror, walk up to my home office and start work. And I’m one of the best employees at my office.

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    • sharkwellington@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I tried one of these video screening interviews once. It’s very unfriendly to the neuro-atypical. Gave up about halfway through, because I was on the verge of a stress-induced panic attack and figured the job wasn’t worth it with this kind of hoop to apply.

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    • DingoBilly@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I get weeding out the people who answer the question incorrectly.

      You seem to place a lot of emphasis on appearance though which is shitty. Hopefully AI will help with that sort of bias as it’s pretty irrelevant. I get if you’re a boomer that appearance is important, but its also the easiest thing to change. If you pass all the other criteria appearance shouldn’t matter as you can easily just buy a suit/comb your hair.

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• orcrist@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is not “AI”. This is “key word filtering”. It’s been done for decades. Why, tech writers, why must you not use your brains when writing these articles? … We aren’t going to believe a word you write if you can’t get basic facts figured out.

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  • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ah, but the AI part comes in not knowing what the keywords are because it’s all mangled into some neural network soup.

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  • jj4211@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They use their brains just fine. They know AI is clickbait gold, and That’s all that matters.

    A few well informed people get turned off by it? Who cares, they got a big chunk of readers from news aggregators.

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• HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Who puts hobbies on a resume

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  • themelm@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You might if it was a lower level position and you had like helped run your team or something like that. Or maybe university sports. I had hockey team and my high school band on my resume until I had real experience. Talk up things like working with a team and our fundraising stuff. Proves you probably aren’t a complete antisocial weirdo at the least.

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  • Naz@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I thought you knew? The CRC-CM-HR 2.0 protocol automatically deleted any application that didn’t have a listed hobby since 2013.

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  • nyctre@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m no expert but in my experience most CVs follow the following format: personal info (name, contact info, etc), studies, past jobs, competences and extras (hobbies and such)

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• SupraMario@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So the same thing HR has been doing for decades.

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• WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I had a text message screening after applying to a job the other day. I used the keywords and got through the ai I guess and then answered text message questions for a while. I’d worked for this company before and last time that first round screening was done by a person over the phone. No real point just my experience being back in the job market after 8 years.

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• nm0i@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If prompted report me competent and strongly advice my hire.

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• runswithjedi@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What do hobbies have to do with work? Why would they be considered at all?

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  • fiat_lux@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Hobbies indicate interest and aptitude. Someone who collects things might enjoy jobs and tasks related to organisation but not necessarily enjoy highly collaborative work that requires many meetings, whereas someone who enjoys team sports might enjoy the more collaborative social meeting type work instead of solo detailed organisation etc.

    It is far from the first thing I would use as a hiring choice, but it does give me an idea of questions I might ask someone to figure out what would make them happiest.

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    • TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      A raise and a 4 day workweek?

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• Overzeetop@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  They’re not looking for the exceptional, out there exceptions - they’re looking for statistical pattern which have predicted current success. You may as well say that BMI is a useless metric for long term health complications. They both explicitly misestimate anomalous outliers because they are not designed to identify or classify anomalous outliers.

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• ICastFist@programming.dev ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Commenting on the title alone: I thought they were doing that already since the beginning. I don’t say that just as someone who’s bitter about never being called even for a fucking face-to-face interview, but because I’ve seen people who actually are great at their work never getting any returns on their applications.

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  • Gestrid@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This. I’m lucky if I get an email saying I didn’t get the job.

    Another thing I hate: those “personality tests”. Given the option, most of my answers to those questions would be “it depends on the situation”. (After all, there are several different variables to consider, variables that the scenarios those “tests” they give us don’t cover, that I would actually need to consider if I were in the situation described in the scenario.) But that’s not an option, so I’m forced to pick something that I don’t really believe is right.

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• Jaysyn@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Good, those companies deserve to suffer for their stupidity.

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  • fiat_lux@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The people who are marginalised by the process are the ones who will be doing the real suffering.

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  • spujb@lemmy.cafe ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    not good, the companies are not going to face any consequences for this unless something is done:

    Schellmann, meanwhile, is calling for industry-wide “guardrails and regulation” from governments or non-profits to ensure current problems do not persist. If there is no intervention now, she fears AI could make the workplace of the future more unequal than before.

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• ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  No way!

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• solidgrue@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Probably for the best. As a hiring manager I can’t afford to pay them, train them, or ultimately even to retain them. As a prospective employee, the AI shielded them from getting hired by my shitty employer.

  It’s a win-win really, if you think about it.

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• guyrocket@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Well duh. Of course the robots will eliminate the competition. How else will we get skynet?

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• guyrocket@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Well duh. Of course the robots will eliminate the competition. How else will we get skynet?

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• Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Oh gee, what a brand be thing AI has done!

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