That’s why I’m proud to be also programming in HTML
Tough break, kid...
Submitted 9 months ago by Toda@programming.dev to programmer_humor@programming.dev
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lugal@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
bignate31@lemmy.world 9 months ago
it’s only real programming if you also use CSS
lugal@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
It’s only real gatekeeping if you have a physical gate
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 9 months ago
“prompt engineering”
Sounds made up af
Croquette@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
The US add engineer to everything to sound most prestigious than they are. If you sell your service as a AI prompt writer, you get paid peanuts. If you sell the same service as AI prompt engineer, the C-Suites cream their pants.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 9 months ago
So you’re telling me that people advertise themselves as AI programmers? That does not seem like something to brag about in such a manner
datavoid@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
It is, I believe the correct term is “proompt”
DeepGradientAscent@programming.dev 9 months ago
As a professional in the field of artificial neural networks, I endorse this meme wholeheartedly and will figuratively slake my thirst for schadenfreude on the tears of this child with joy.
anarchist@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
“Engineering”
po_tay_toes@lemmy.sambands.net 9 months ago
Amateurs, I’m an AI artisté and demand big bucks for “my” art pieces. Also fuck everybody who made all the stuff that the AI stole from.
h3rm17@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Yeah, well, like most software engineers lol
doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 9 months ago
I’m a huge stickler about degreeless website devs claiming to be Engineers but even I think they’re leagues above people who ask ChatGPT for advice.
S_204@lemm.ee 9 months ago
cbc.ca/…/tech-companies-alberta-premier-software-…
They’re not engineers and they’re too chicken shit to act like engineers.
GravitySpoiled@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
Looks like an ai did that
OmnipotentEntity@beehaw.org 9 months ago
pigup@lemmy.world 9 months ago
HATERS will say it’s fake
Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 9 months ago
If you look close enough, all pictures are fake.
agent_flounder@lemmy.world 9 months ago
And HATERS will be absolutely correct
Holzkohlen@feddit.de 9 months ago
That’s the joke.
FIST_FILLET@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
“prompt engineering” in itself is such an embarrassing term for the act of saying “computer uhhh show me epic boobies!!”
like that joke about calling dishwashing “submerged porcelain technician” but unironically
xmunk@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
People in glass houses…
Software engineering isn’t engineering.
frezik@midwest.social 9 months ago
Yes, it is. Mostly because “real engineering” isn’t the high bar it’s made out to be. From that blog:
Nobody I read in these arguments, not one single person, ever worked as a “real” engineer. At best they had some classical training in the classroom, but we all know that looks nothing like reality. Nobody in this debate had anything more than stereotypes to work with. The difference between the engineering in our heads and in reality has been noticed by others before, most visibly by Glenn Vanderburg. He read books on engineering to figure out the difference. But I wanted to go further.
Software has developed in an area where the cost of failure is relatively low. We might make million dollar mistakes, but it’s not likely anybody dies from it. In areas where somebody could die from bad software, techniques like formal verification come into play. Those tend to make everything take 10 times longer, and there’s no compelling reason for the industry at large to do that.
If anything, we should lean into this as an advantage. How fast can we make the cycle of change to deployment?
Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I help make Healthcare software. Mistakes can easily lead to death. Not most, but it’s something we always have to worry about.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 9 months ago
We might make million dollar mistakes, but it’s not likely anybody dies from it.
I had a coworker who got a gig writing PDA software for a remote-controlled baseball machine. He was to this day the most incompetent programmer I’ve ever met personally; his biggest mistake on this project was firing a 120 mph knuckleball (a pitch with no spin so its flight path is incredibly erratic) a foot over a 12-year-old kid’s head. This was the only time in my 25-year career that I had to physically restrain someone (the client, in this case) to prevent a fist fight. I replaced my coworker on the project after this and you can bet I took testing a little bit more seriously than he did.
dodgy_bagel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 months ago
It gives Kerbal Space Program energy.
DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 9 months ago
In many cases this is accurate. Programming alone doesn’t amount to engineering. Lotta low quality lines of code being churned out these days because standards have dropped.
okamiueru@lemmy.world 9 months ago
By how some teams operate, and some developers think, there is certainly cases where the “engineering” aspect is hard to find.
doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
It’s not engineering either. Or art. It’s only barely writing, in an overly literal sense.
Mango@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Making middle management do everything is not ‘running a business’.
fidodo@lemmy.world 9 months ago
If middle management is doing everything aren’t they no longer middle management?
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Bro if you could get there just by prompting, it would be.
There are no models good enough to just ask for something to be done and it gets done.
There will be someday though.
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 9 months ago
Build an entire ecosystem, with multiple frontends, apps, databases, admin portals. It needs to work with my industry. Make it run cheap on the cloud. Also make sure it’s pretty.
The prompts are getting so large we may need to make some sort of… Structured language to pipe into… a device that would… compile it all…
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I mean it can start much smaller.
Here is access to a jira board. Here are unit tests. Do stuff until it works.
marcos@lemmy.world 9 months ago
There are no models good enough to just ask for something to be done and it gets done.
We call those “compilers”. There are many of them.
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 months ago
mm yes ai
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 9 months ago
Sounds like someone’s worried about how easily replaced they’ll be in the future…
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 9 months ago
You sound like a class traitor
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 9 months ago
Realist, maybe. Often a pessimist. Never really a class traitor. Besides, I’m more blue collar than white collar, so I’ve never gotten the luxury of working from home at a higher pay, so as far as being the same class…in the sense of rich vs everyone else, sure.
Mars@beehaw.org 9 months ago
Yeah, writing prompts it’s the long term goal, programming will be obsolete.
Nobody that can write a problem in a structured language, taking edge cases into account, will be able to write a prompt for a LLM.
Prompt writers will be the useful professionals, because NO big tech company is trying to make it obsolete making AI ubiquitous and transparent, aiming it to work for natural language requests made by normal users or simply from context clues. /s
Prompt engineering it’s the griftiest side of the latest AI summer. Look a who is selling the courses. The same people that sold crypto courses, metaverse courses, Amazon dropship store courses…
KeenFlame@feddit.nu 9 months ago
You sound like you think prompt writer is an actual job man chill out doesn’t even exist
belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org 9 months ago
Looks like someone is excited about shit content pumped out as fast as computers can munge shit to spit
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 9 months ago
Nah, that’s going to blow, and I was talking about just that several months ago. The internet is going to be completely fucked, now. It has a nice little run of the golden years from like 1995 through about 2012. Decade after that was all downhill and the last year or so gas been a dumpster fire that’s still getting bigger.
sundray@lemmus.org 9 months ago
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
Using an IDE isn’t programming either
But I’ll definitely prefer hiring someone who does. Sure, you can code in Vi without plugins, but why? Leave your elitism at home. We have deadlines and money to make.
squirmy_wormy@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Lol that’s like not hiring someone because they take notes with a pen instead of a pencil.
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
Thinking AI is an upgrade from pencil to pen gives the impression that you spent zero effort incorporating it in your workflow, but still expecting the payoff. Feels like watching my Dad using Eclipse for 20 years but never learning anything more complicated than having multiple tabs.
dukk@programming.dev 9 months ago
AI’s not bad, it just doesn’t save me time. For quick, simple things, I can do it myself faster than the AI. For more big, complex tasks, I find myself rigorously checking the AI’s code to make sure no new bugs or vulnerabilities are introduced. Instead of reviewing that code, I’d rather just write it myself and have the confidence that there are no glaring issues. Beyond more intelligent autocomplete, I don’t really have much of a need for AI when I program.
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 9 months ago
This is how I use it, and it’s a great way for me to speed up. It’s a rubber duck for me. I have a fake conversation, it gives me different ideas or approaches to solve a problem. It does amazing with that
The code it spits out is something else though. The code it’s trained on in GitHub means it could be based on someone with 2 months experience writing their CS201 program, or a seasoned experienced engineer. I’ve found it faster to get the gist of what it’s saying, then rewrite it to fit my application.
Not even mentioning the about 50% chance response of “hey why don’t you use this miracle function that does exactly what you need” and then you realize that the miracle function doesn’t exist, and it just made it up.
KrankyKong@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I use it a lot for writing documentation comments (my company’s style guide requires them), and for small sections at a time. Never a full solution.
HopFlop@discuss.tchncs.de 9 months ago
Using an IDE definety IS programming.
frezik@midwest.social 9 months ago
Sure, you can code in Vi without plugins, but why? Leave your elitism at home. We have deadlines and money to make.
Nothing elitist about it. Vim is not a modular tool that I can swap out of my mental model. Before someone says it, I’ve tried VS Code’s vim plugin, and it sucks ass.
KeenFlame@feddit.nu 9 months ago
Wdym? Vim is in every ide and notepad man
And yes it’s elitist
OpenStars@startrek.website 9 months ago
Looks like every Christmas I’ve ever had…
j/k, or am I?
No I am… but am I really? :-P
JoShmoe@ani.social 9 months ago
I also can make up words.
backhdlp@iusearchlinux.fyi 9 months ago
hörgenmal
Daxtron2@startrek.website 9 months ago
Made by someone who doesn’t utilize LLMs effectively
dipshit@lemmy.world 9 months ago
BUT I TOOK ALL THESE COURSES!
Dasnap@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I only program with LBP2 microchips.
camr_on@lemmy.world 9 months ago
What prompt did you use to make this 🤨🤔
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 months ago
The irony. I bet the guy who prompted that calls himself an artist.
kender242@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Was going to comment about how there is a stock photo for everything. Fingers seem too good for AI?
lugal@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
Also: the middle fingers are far too long
doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 9 months ago
None of it even looks remotely correct to me, I can’t believe it’s passable for some people.
agent_flounder@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Now look at his eyelids…
p1mrx@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
knowyourmeme.com/…/family-laughing-at-crying-chil…