Twitch allowing more nudity after disproportionately banning female streamers | Twitch confirmed its policy banning nudity was sexist.

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• xc2215x@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Sexism is an issue with gaming for sure but banning nudity is not sexism.

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  • Chriswild@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It is if women’s nipples are nudity but men’s nipples are not.

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    • OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Why not have a “no nipples” policy in general? I’m guessing that if parents think that their 7 year olds are going on Twitch to see boobs, they could lose some viewers.

      But yes, policies should be applied equally.

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    • Mac@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I agree with you but this is more of a societal issue and not necessarily a Twitch issue. I think twitch following the standards set by society was reasonable however them pushing to improve upon those is absolutely welcome.

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    • Grimy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Bad take in my opinion. It’s quite clear the difference between the two in our society.

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    • prunerye@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      There are literal sex differences between men and women. If we’re including those in the definition of sexism, we cheapen the word.

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    • Mango@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Show of hands, how many here have jerked it to male nipples?

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    • SineSwiper@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No, that’s literally how the laws in most countries work. It turns out men and women have different biology.

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  • PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I would rather not see any nudity on my gaming streams…

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• theKalash@feddit.ch ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’m all for allowing nudity in general, but it would be nice if you could actually block it or at least remove it from your recommendations.

  One time I accidently clicked on one of these bathtub streamers and since then there always is one in my recommendation, with no way to remove it. I literally had to install a browser extention “Unwanted Twitch” to finally get rid of it.

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  • Zikeji@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    My home page is literally bathtub streamers and horny VR chat streamers, I think it’s because I watch VR chat meme streamers (lolathon, darrenzeus) and the algorithm just thinks that means I want horny shit. I’ll have to look at that extension.

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    • 4am@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Under the new rules, your homepage should not show any content that is only allowed when content labeled for sexuality/nudity/drugs/etc. and these streamers need to be labeling their content for it to be allowed.

      Your “following” page might be different since you’ve explicitly asked to see those streams.

      Finally, the FrankerFaceZ extension just added the ability to blur thumbnails which are content-labeled (on any listing page on the site) so if you are on desktop, I highly recommend using FFZ browser extension if this is an issue for you.

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    • BURN@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That’s it. If other viewers of streamers you watch are watching those streams, it’ll push them to you

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  • PopcornTin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Allowing you to block them would also be sexist of you. You need to be reeducated by showing you even more of them to correct your sexism.

    It’s a circular game and in the end, nobody wins.

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    • constnt@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Wat

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• RabbePompano@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Why is twitch becoming a cam soft porn site? It was supposed to be about gaming. I just want to watch people play games.

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  • graymess@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You’re in luck! There are millions of people playing games on Twitch. Who knew?

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    • VaultBoyNewVegas@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Definitely not RabbePompano.

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  • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Well, you see, it turned out that people are far more willing to fork over money when they get to see boobs instead of noobs.

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  • Xanis@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    goes on Twitch

    finds game

    watches someone play it

    At some point in there I completely ignored all the discount OnlyFans over on IRL and Just Chatting tags.

    That said: An opt-in with specific categories would halt a lot of the people complaining. Been awhile since I’ve dug into websites design, though thay shouldn’t be too difficult to implement, especially as they already have tags.

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    • slumberlust@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      There’s a lot of good content under the umbrella of. Just chatting. From scam baiters to glassblowers and musicians, all trying to do their best to attract viewers.

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  • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It hasn’t been strictly gaming for many years,

    What is interesting is if you don’t click on or watch those streams Twitch doesn’t recommend them to you.

    A lot of the complaining is often just an unaware self report which is kinda funny.

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    • Yttra@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No, they’ll definitely still show on the front page if under Just Chatting, even if you log out, open a private window, or use a different computer altogether. It’s basically random, as far as I can tell, or just showing popular streams (or both).

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    • ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      See people said this about tiktok too and whole for the most part it’s true they’ll still push it in your face every now and then.

      I’ve blocked or clicked “not interested” on every clearly sexualized video yet they keep showing up.

      They recommend what’s popular. The biggest issue is there’s enough simps with endless money watching these streamers/content creators that they’re not going away anytime soon

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  • AstralPath@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Your comment insinuates that you have trouble finding gamers on the platform, as if there’s a finite limit on creator count and the gamers are getting pushed out by non-gaming creators, which is obviously not the case.

    Is it a matter of going to Twitch for games but then getting roped in by the porn instead? If so, that’s pretty funny tbh.

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    • RabbePompano@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I don’t use twitch anymore. And porn doesn’t need to be everywhere. There’s a place for it. There’s nothing wrong with specific platforms. I wouldn’t want a restaurant that sold porn in the back rooms either.

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    • BURN@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s mostly that the front page is increasingly being titty streamers, which really isn’t a problem, but isn’t super fun to land on every day.

      It’s also heavily pushed in recommendations if other viewers of a stream you’re watching are regular watchers (ex. I’m watching shroud, but a ton of shrouds viewers also watch titty streamers, so I must want to as well)

      Honestly it’s just more annoying than anything else. There’s no viewership loss implications for streamers, despite what some scream about.

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  • qwertyWarlord@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Cash money, son

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• felykiosa@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I agree twitch is stuck but for me they shouldn’t allow more nudity. Even if they put it in different categories. It s not a problem of puritanism , it s just that kid will have a direct access to literals strip stream , and your twitch account is directly linked with your amazon account and your cc. I have absolutely not problel with site like chaturbate , because you have to search for it , its completely clear on the content and even if of course there are kids who will browse it , well its more" difficult " to pay on it . Oh and btw on twitch the streamer is way closer to the chat than on any cam site the line between streamer and porn is too blur.

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  • webghost0101@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Is it really that hard for twitch to create an option to mark a stream as mature only Allowing 16+ accounts? (Should be mature enough for erotic non porn)

    Kids who lie about their age know what there doing and require more parental oversight when signing up to a platform.

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    • DoomBot5@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That’s already a thing, but 18+ like the law states. Streamers can mark their streams mature and it shows you a warning and disclaimer. Only twitch needs is kids accounts with the option for a parent to disable access to those streams.

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    • stembolts@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I don’t understand, children cannot see nudity? Is it bad for them?

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  • Artyom@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    "It’s not a problem of puritanism, but "

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• Mango@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  How many male bimbo gamer streams are there?

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  • 0x4F50@feddit.ch ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Not enough apparently

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    • Mango@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I can do this. EQUALITY!!!

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• Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Twitch is stuck between a religious rock and a hard-as-wood place.

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  • RobotZap10000@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Hard-as-rock?

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    • PwnTra1n@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Boners

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    • cosmicrookie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They meant hard ass wood

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• MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Interesting how we’ve gone from “expecting nudity from women is sexist” to “NOT expecting nudity from women is sexist”.

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  • MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I don’t think that’s the message at all. It’s disproportionately punishing women for nudity that is sexist.

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    • Gljvf@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Unless the women are disproportionately engaging in nudity.

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  • starman2112@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    ??? Nobody is expected to go nude because of this change. What are you talking about?

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  • wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    How in gods green earth did you mangle that point out of this story

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    • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Well, in my experience from using Twitch it’s predominantly female streamers who do these kind of streams, so if there’s a policy against it, it would make sense that it would affect mostly women. That’s not sexist in and of itself.

      But when you say that the policy is sexist because it affects mostly women, it implies that its unfair not to expect women to engage in nudity, doesn’t it.

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• hesusingthespiritbomb@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’m gonna get downvoted, but this culture where teenagers can form parasocial relationships with what are essentially softcore pornstars and a culture where women can very easily become pornstars isn’t healthy.

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  • lemmyingly@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I believe some of them are on websites like OnlyFans, which can be real porn if they decide to do so. I imagine being on Twitch is a method to be discovered.

    I also agree with what you said. I also dislike how pornographic content is served right next to normal innocent content. It’s like having porn channels on TV right next to the family channels.

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    • hesusingthespiritbomb@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I can argue that everyone on Only fans is a pornstar, just that some are softcore pornstars. On the flip side some are prostitutes.

      Twitch IMO is fucked up in a different way. This is a platform that pre-pubescent children frequently use. Allowing for nudity essentially creates a pipeline where kids hit puberty, form parasocial relationships with pornstars, and get unhealthy ideas about women.

      Like in the past there used to be a lot more of a disconnect. Like if you went on pornhub, you were explicitly going to watch porn. The porn videos were well known to be completely over dramatized to the point where it can’t be taken as a realistic depiction of sex. The porn stars were explicitly porn stars. You had no idea about their personality and there was no concept of getting an emotional connection to them. There also was a general acknowledgement, even among the most liberal circles, that sex work was incredibly unhealthy.

      Nowadays all of this shit is not only normalized to an insane degree, but the line between fiction and reality has been blurred to an insane degree.

      Every time this comes up someone says “Oh what’s the harm? PRUDE”. There are some things that are harmful in ways that are difficult to explain, and not at all immediately clear. I feel like our current sex culture is a good example of that.

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• GentlemanLoser@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  So what happens when a minor streams themselves nude to thousands of viewers? Does everyone get charged?

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  • ButtCheekOnAStick@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    LOL what? It would be the same if a minor uploaded themselves to Pornhub. The video would just be taken down.

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    • GentlemanLoser@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Pornhub isn’t a live stream.

      You think there were no incidents of live streamed cp on Omegle or ChatRoulette? Naive af

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  • peopleproblems@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    well, now I really don’t feel like I’m missing much on twitch.

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  • BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Are minors allowed to stream? I don’t know if it’s worth the legal hassle.

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    • JJROKCZ@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Rules are 13 with parents written legal permission delivered to twitch’s legal team last i remember. I had a friend whose daughter wanted to stream when she was like 15 a few years ago, thankfully she was talked out of it

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• Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  A bunch of furries tried to abide by this policy and ended up getting banned lol

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  • JJROKCZ@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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    • otp@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Why?

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• autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This is the best summary I could come up with:

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  In one prominent example, just two days before the policy change, Twitch banned OnlyFans model Morgpie for posting “topless” streams.

  Hession confirmed that Twitch’s policy prohibiting “content that ‘deliberately highlighted breasts, buttocks or pelvic region,’ even when fully clothed” was confusing.

  “Streamers found it difficult to determine what was prohibited and what was allowed and often evaluating whether or not a stream violated this portion of the policy was subjective,” Hession wrote.

  The only exceptions will be made for streams labeled as including mature-rated games and profanity, which will still appear in the main feed on the homepage.

  “In addition to providing clarity, these updates will also reduce the risk of inconsistent enforcement and bring our policy more in line with other social media services.”

  “With the updated terms of service, content on Twitch containing mature themes will be allowed but no longer pushed on the homepage of the site,” Morgpie told Dexerto.

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• lnxtx@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I think rule no. 2 should be more clarified.

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