Anyone who has the power to put you there for eternity probably has the power to make it so you don’t get used to it
If you spent eternity in a fiery pit wouldn't you just get use to being in a fiery pit?
Submitted 11 months ago by Daft_ish@lemmy.world to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
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PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Daft_ish@lemmy.world 11 months ago
At what point does it stop being a punishment and just all you’ve ever experienced?
Like how would they make it so you don’t get use to it? Erase your memory ever 10 minutes? Sounds like the end of those 10 minutes is relief. So all you’ve ever experienced is 10 minutes of pain than relief. Doesn’t sounds so bad. Even if all you ever remembered was the memories of your past life and then 10 mins of pain at least you would have those good memories to reflect on before you would have relief again.
PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You’re trying to corporealize a concept that is axiomatically non-corporeal. An omnipotent being could make eternal suffering mean suffering eternally simply by virtue of being all-powerful. The means by which this are done are (would be) completely beyond our understanding or even able to be conceived by our current understanding of the world.
0ops@lemm.ee 11 months ago
A little bit of the salt of relief can bring out the sweetness of suffering
delitomatoes@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Wasn’t there a modern story about how Sisyphus got used to rolling the boulder and found joy in the nuances and being swole?
probablynaked@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I love this interpretation lmao
NAXLAB@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Assuming there’s enough supernatural power to sustain a torture pit of fire for all eternity, It’s probably trivial to just have you suffer non-stop regardless of any hypothetical limits.
However, even in real life pain receptors are distinct receptors in your body that don’t dull themselves after a while, the way our smell and sight receptors do
DahGangalang@infosec.pub 11 months ago
pain receptors are distinct receptors in your body that don’t dull themselves after a while
Man, that’s some bullshit.
Come on Body, can’t you just have some, like, nice things that aren’t purely functional?
Pantherina@feddit.de 11 months ago
I mean your senses would adapt to it which means you would die.
As you cannot die as you are invincible, your nerves cannot take damage. But that would mean your brain would overstimulate and that also cannot take damage.
So either you stay in constant pain, which has to get lower and lower as you cant handle constant pain (legalize Cannabis for those people for fucks sake).
So I guess yes, to stay invincible you have to get used to it.
Or you have pain and damage, but that state resets like all the time. So you would stay in a state of immediate pain, without remembering the past, as it has to be removed entirely, as that pain will harm your brain.
So you would stay in immediate pain without a sense of time, which is probably way way less extreme than you imagine it but still horrible.
So people, just dont believe that crap. When you die its over, and that may be an even harder truth to accept.
474D@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Pretty sure chronic pain even in regular life is a thing.
Daft_ish@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Ok but chronic pain happens what 100 years max?
Now that times infinity…
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Ouchie
c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I always found it funny that they’ve confused the idea of eternal life and death. If you’re burning forever you’re still alive, in some way. So the idea that it’s “death” doesn’t make sense. It would only be death if you were destroyed completely (which is what Jesus says he will do at least once in the gospels) so idk where they get the idea that being tortured forever isn’t eternal life.
It’s not a good one, but it’s still eternal life.
Daft_ish@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I still don’t understand how eternal life would be a good thing. Seems to me all things would fall away and as the patterns that make up make up consciousness become less and less important you would slip away from your identity.
Now I know you could consider the reseting of your memory or something like that but the moment you start talking that way you’ve introduced some level of reincarnation which is not apart of the Christian belief.
c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It wouldn’t be, in fact most Christians will self acknowledge that it’s not a good thing with their explanations for the following series of questions.
- Lucifer had free will, and existed in heaven alongside God in the same way that we will supposedly exist alongside God in heaven. It was entirely possible for him to defy/rebel/choose to not be in union with that God and be cast out of heaven. Do we have free will in heaven?
1a. If yes, then do we have the ability to also reject and sin once we are in heaven according to the salvation of Jesus?
1b. If we can’t, then do we have free will?
- If God is altering our state of being in order to make us “ok” with living/worshipping forever, are we still the same individual? Or are we being made into a new being based on a change in our values and desires?
2a. If we are being changed in some way to accept eternity as good/enjoy it, then how do you reconcile that with the idea that God wants communion with beings of free will? If he’s just going to change us to fit the needs of eternity anyways, how is that different than programming sapient robots to worship him? Why go through all of the trouble with having us choose him via free will if he’s going to alter/overwrite our consciousness to make us able to deal with immortality? He might as well just start with that if it’s the endgame.
The only way out of the situation is to claim that we do still have free will in heaven and can choose to rebel at any time, or else you’re dealing with the philosophy and ethics of how changing a sapient being to want things they didn’t before can’t possibly coincide with free will.
GentlemanLoser@ttrpg.network 11 months ago
Not getting used to it IS the punishment
Daft_ish@lemmy.world 11 months ago
But how? Like I’m not saying you won’t feel pain or won’t suffer but if we’re talking all of time that is just your state of being having known nothing else.
GentlemanLoser@ttrpg.network 11 months ago
IDK dude it’s shit some guys in the desert came up with, probably while high
sexy_peach@feddit.de 11 months ago
It’s not real. Could be anything
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 11 months ago
Firey pits are real. But you only need to worry about them while you’re alive, not after you die. Unless of course you don’t wanna be cremated.
Daft_ish@lemmy.world 11 months ago
All I’m saying is if you expienced anything for eternity would your understanding of pain or even pleasure have any meaning at all?
key@lemmy.keychat.org 11 months ago
Does the concept of eternity have any meaning at all? It’s a very philosophically nebulous thing when taken beyond a superficial level. We can’t fathom existing for a huge number of years anymore than we can conceive being the size of the universe. Spiritually being eternally cast into fire could mean to be removed from the being that is everything which is to be nothing forevermore. Or eternity can just mean until the end of time, which could very well be finite.
tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Depends on a whole lot of factors, most of which we don’t even know we don’t know. Presumably, they believe that an all powerful being would find it easy to make sure to maximize the suffering.
Kajibits@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Through Christ all things are possible, even not getting used to being on fire. I make this sacrifice for Jesus. Who, coincidentally, already suffered for my sins. So… Atheists: 0 Christians: 1
illi@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Ah, yes. The all loving Christ who would light you on fire if you don’t love him. Truly a win.
Spaghetti_Hitchens@kbin.social 11 months ago
Look. Christ was inconvenienced for a weekend. Cut him some slack.
Cold_Brew_Enema@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Imagine believing in an invisible sky person with the power to condemn you to burn for eternity. Grow up.
Kajibits@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I made the grave mistake of forgetting the /s
Hildegarde@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You are made of a finite amout on of material. You would only burn for a finite amout of time. The pit is also finite. Your question is wrong.
intensely_human@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I guess you never learned the word “if” eh?
Hildegarde@lemmy.world 11 months ago
also you would die from fire
MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 11 months ago
If you were an all knowing all powerful god who supposedly loves everyone unconditionally, would you create a fiery pit and send people there for all eternity?
Daft_ish@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You don’t understand. I touched my peepee. I deserve this.
Gigan@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I murdered 50 people. But then I found Jesus, so I’m going to heaven. This is fair.
Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug@lemmy.world 11 months ago
God never loved anyone unconditionally. My favorite Bible quote:
Chainweasel@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Any entity who tortures their creations for eternity based solely on their performance over a ~80 year time span is not an entity worthy of worship.
Any entity that either permits or doesn’t have the power to prevent suffering on earth isn’t worthy of worship either.
If there is a supreme being, they’ve either failed or they’re malevolent.
Blamemeta@lemm.ee 11 months ago
The fiery pit/dante’s hell version doesn’t actually exist in the bible. The main thing about hell is you don’t experience god’s love/presence, which is weird but a lot better than an eternity of torture.
Scrof@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
If you experience god’s presence please consult your psychiatrist.
Daft_ish@lemmy.world 11 months ago
What about the post right above you?
into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.Diplomjodler@feddit.de 11 months ago
So why have churches been threatening their victims with hell for centuries? Could it be they all make it up as they go along?
CarlsIII@kbin.social 11 months ago
The rest of the stuff you said isn’t in the Bible either
Diplomjodler@feddit.de 11 months ago
Of course! They ate shrimps!
Thaumiel@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Anyway, like I was sayin’, shrimp is the fruit of the sea. You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, saute it. Dey’s uh, shrimp-kabobs, shrimp creole, shrimp gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried.