ProtonMail and SimpleLogin emails will be blocked from registering on websites

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• Apollo2323@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If a website won’t allow me to register with my protonmail , I will just not used that website.

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  • BearOfaTime@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yep.

    I’ve already run into a few. I mentally thank them for preventing me from wasting my time and money with them.

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    • deweydecibel@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Is this going to be the response every time this shit happens until we’re all just sitting on Lemmy twiddling our thumbs?

      In a lot of cases, you may not have a choice of using the site or not. In cases where you do have a choice, eventually most if not all the alternatives can do the same shit if it becomes normalized.

      The problem is the trend. And try as you may, you can not fully escape that.

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  • catastrophicblues@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Same. That said, sometimes it’s a config error. I sent a very annoyed email to a website that didn’t work on Firefox, only for them to tell me that it was a bug and that they fixed it.

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  • Anonymousllama@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yep what a wild thing, to try and filter email domains so they can try and find “fake” providers

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  • Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    And since people won’t use the website, the website won’t use the list. So the list would be useless.
    The maintainer seems to have followed the same interpretation, weighing legitimate use against spam use. This is the official response to the issue as of 8h ago:

    Dear Contributors,

    We value your suggestions for expanding our list of disposable email providers. Your input is crucial in enhancing our tool’s capabilities.

    Decision on Gmail and ProtonMail Inclusion

    After thorough evaluation, we have resolved not to include Gmail and ProtonMail in our list. Our rationale is based on the following technical and operational considerations:

    1. **Reputation and Reliability**
       
       * **Gmail and ProtonMail**: Established, reputable providers with a high trust level for personal and professional communication.
       * **Distinction**: Unlike typical disposable email services, they offer long-term, reliable email solutions.
    
    2. **Active Abuse and Spam Prevention Mechanisms**
       
       * **Effective Systems**: Both providers have robust mechanisms to detect and mitigate abuse and spam.
       * **Proactive Monitoring**: Ensures a secure email environment, reducing the prevalence of malicious activities.
    
    3. **Commercial Intent of Typical Disposable Email Providers**
       
       * **Focus**: Targeting providers driven by ad revenue, facilitating spam/abuse.
       * **Gmail and ProtonMail's Model**: User-centric, not primarily ad-driven.
    
    4. **Domain Limitations**
       
       * **Effectiveness**: Limited domain offerings by Gmail and ProtonMail make them less susceptible to misuse.
       * **Strategy**: Focusing on providers with extensive, rotating domain lists for more impactful filtering.
    
    5. **Individual User Accountability**
       
       * **Accountability Measures**: Both services have mechanisms to penalize users violating terms, decreasing misuse risks.
    

    Summary and Next Steps

    Including Gmail and ProtonMail does not align with our criteria for identifying disposable email services. Our aim is to target services significantly contributing to online spam and abuse, without impacting legitimate email services. We have reviewed your list and agree on adding some providers, like internxt.com (Reference). We will also incorporate the obvious choices from the tail of your list. We apologize for the delay in addressing this issue but intend to promptly resolve it by focusing on the most impactful additions.

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  • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    GitHub blocked me from registering with a Proton domain:

    Our abuse detecting systems flagged your account because of the email address you used to register the account. Before we can remove the flag we need you to add and verify a personal, non-disposable, non-aliased email address.

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  • registrert@lemmy.sambands.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Simple as, if they don’t even support e-mail it’s surely a rather shite site.

    The closed garden corpo-approved electronic message service the github issue is talking about simply won’t do.

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  • BaardFigur@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That hadn’t ever happened to me. Not once. So I agree

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• sir_reginald@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  the discussion is happening here: github.com/7c/fakefilter/issues/73

  Someone working on Proton have commented on the issue, the list maintainer wanted to take the discussion with proton private so we have only a few posts from them.

  If you want my personal take:

  It’s very clear how the list maintainer opposes anonymity in the internet in any form, which I see as an attack on freedom, journalism and activism.

  I’m not a fan of Protonmail of any short and in fact I consider that their privacy is lacking… but I really hope they can talk some sense into this guy. This block list seems to be used by a lot of webs that will start blocking virtually every private email provider.

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  • tsonfeir@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What do you consider to be a good privacy focused email solution that allows anonymity?

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    • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They’re talking out their bum. It’s as private as any email service can be.

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    • AdamUllstrom@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I would love to know this too ☺️

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    • RTRedreovic@feddit.ch ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Try Tuta Mail

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    • originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Is addy.io any good? I’ve poked around a bit but not investigated deeply

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    • Marsey_Enjoyer@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What do you consider to be a good privacy focused email solution that allows anonymity?

      cock.li

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  • just_another_person@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    These lists are used by platforms to try and cut down on spam/bot account signups. This isn’t a thing done for signups by the vast majority of platforms out there, but the API verification steps IS becoming more prevalent I suppose. I just got rejected for using a Protonmail domain to buy something outright on a very popular pet supplies platform the other day, but…eh.

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    • catastrophicblues@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They’ll just lose my business and get a stern customer support email then. I don’t do business with companies that exclude Proton/Tutanota/Skiff emails.

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  • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Someone working at Proton has commented on the issue, the list maintainer wanted to take the discussion with proton private so we have only a few posts from them.

    They’re not the maintainer.

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    • sir_reginald@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I say that below

      Edit: I assumed the person that posted the email list was a maintainer, but they don’t seem to have a “contributor” or “owner” badge

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  • _number8_@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s very clear how the list maintainer opposes anonymity in the internet in any form,

    why would anyone ever be like this?

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    • Rin@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Maybe a fed, corpo or authoritarian

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    • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This is not the list maintainer. Just a rando who opened a request

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• micka190@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Damn, that guy’s fucking dumb lmao

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  • bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    And reading the project description the domains aren’t even added manually. So the whole issue isn’t needed at all. Might explain why it’s been there since October.

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  • flumph@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The npm package has about 4000 weekly downloads. I don’t know what that means in terms of popularity.

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  • pimento64@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    He’s not dumb, he’s extorting people who will probably pay him.

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    • AbidanYre@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Nobody’s going to pay some random idiot who opened a ticket on a repo they aren’t even a contributer on.

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• tabular@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Sick of sites requiring an account, email or phone number. Makes the web even more unfriendly. I hope temporary emails can always get around filters, as if you play stupid games you should win stupid prices.

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  • driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I was a club and had to open an account to open a tab, they asked me my government number ID, pretty standard, but then they started asking for phone number, age, email, Instagram account and I was like wtf, I just want a bottle of water!

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    • Senshi@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Where do you live that providing your government id to a business is standard? In Germany, the only one outside of a judge to be allowed to request that is law enforcement ( even then only with proper cause ). Of course, some businesses are legally required to request and process your ID number ( e.g. when booking international flights, medical insurance companies etc), but these are under tight federal control and supervision to ensure data safety.

      Age verification sometimes is a thing for purchasing 18+ things ( media or drugs like alcohol & smokes), but even then businesses will only ever perform a visual check of the date of birth on your ID. Technically they can never demand to hold your ID, not even for a short time just to better read the date. You only have to show them your ID. And actually recording and/or storing any of that information would be insanely illegal.

      Germany / Europe might have its issues, but we at least try and take our freedom and data privacy serious. I would never dream of handing my ID to a generic business like a club for anything more than the age check.

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    • SaltySalamander@kbin.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      they asked me my government number ID, pretty standard

      How very dystopian.

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  • Yoz@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Just keep using the temp emails and when they don’t recieve your email , call them up. Their IT support will unblock it after 50-100 calls. Remember consumers have the power.

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  • uranibaba@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I tried to report an issue in GitLab. I needed to input my phone number and payment information to create an account. WTF? No thanks, I’ll just not report the issue.

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    • tabular@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      don’t you guys not have phones

      When buying stuff online I find 0101etc works. Public numbers used to work fine for other things but not so much these days. If that doesn’t work I usually don’t give a damn about the service at that point (e.g. ShatGPT) #TeamBots

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  • Syrc@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Sick of sites requiring an account, email or phone number.

    Blame bots. The other day we had a post about how 70% of account creation processes on sites are started by bots. Imagine that if you didn’t even need confirmation.

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    • tabular@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What if account creation was local (e.g. Git and keys)?

      If no data needs to be stored then no account is needed. Use the system where there is a unique indentifier based on the password.

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• sockenklaus@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Am I the one one thinking this post is blowing the topic way out of proportion?

  The post title is clickbait in its purest form: nothing is being blocked (from what even). There is a single issue raised on some obscure filter list… This has no consequences whatsoever. I am wondering why Protonmail even bothers to comment on this issue…

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  • SBJ@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Admittedly the title is pretty sensationalist. The repo activity seems to indicate that the project has some users. It’s impossible to know how many sites or which sites block emails contained in this list and what the impact might be. Even though I think the 7c/fakefilter project is inane, I would hesitate to say there would be no consequences at all.

    It’s best to defend legitimate email providers whenever possible. If we don’t, those with an axe to grind get to define the provider’s reputation.

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• helpmyusernamewontfi@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Honestly, the more these one time accounts try to convince me to remove protonmail and simplelogin, the more I see how much it’s needed to block them. It’s like the marketing team is desperately trying to keep their services from being rightfully flagged and it just makes me want to block them even more. I do hope they won’t cloud your judgement @7c , as these services are used for temp emails by all definitions. If you have any questions you may always ask me from the conversation we have started :)

  Shit like this is what makes me want to pull my hair out at night

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  • USSEthernet@startrek.website ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yea, I guess it’s impossible to make burner gmail accou ts too…

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    • helpmyusernamewontfi@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Image

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• ransomwarelettuce@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  OK simplelogin you can make an argument there, very stupid one though.

  But protonmail and tutanota, wtf ?!?

  Just because an email provider is privacy focused and offers custom aliases means all it’s emails are spam ?

  Fuck this shit.

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  • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Advertisers aren’t interested in your privacy. Simple as.

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• nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The issue has now been commented on and was closed by the maintainer, where they explained why those blocks would be nonsense.

  Hilariously, the issue creator still hasn’t given up and is now trying to communicate with the maintainer privately. 🙃

  I’d really want to know what’s driving them. Surely no sane person would be this persistent without some ulterior motives?

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  • varsock@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’d really want to know what’s driving them

    likely ego

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    • JGrffn@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      He’s such a manchild, it’s unbelievable. Won’t budge when talked to in a friendly manner, will lash out if someone else calls him out, and will continue to complain in responses to civil people, saying nobody is being civil and whatnot, just for the sake of adding fuel to the fire. He got sat the fuck down by the repo owner, and the schadenfreude is fucking delicious.

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  • redditReallySucks@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But did they add addy.io?

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• NiaTheCat@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • ultra@feddit.ro ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Bold of you to assume they’ve been to highschool yet

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• Zak@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It appears that the Github user GalacticHypernova is not a contributor to the 7c/fakefilter project - just someone asking for some domains to be added. The current list does not contain proton.me or protonmail.com.

  I suppose this might be a reasonable litmus test for the reliability of that list.

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• originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The whole exchange between the ProtonMail person and the repo maintainer is wild. The maintainer is clearly grinding and axe and pretending we should thank them for it github.com/7c/fakefilter/issues/73#issuecomment-1…

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  • AbidanYre@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That dude’s not even a maintener, just since rando who apparently doesn’t like protonmail.

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    • originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Imagine having that little happening in your life

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  • Adanisi@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Apparently Discord is preferable to email for long form professional communication lmao

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  • Anonymousllama@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s absolutely wild to read. This bloke absolutely has issues, what a weirdo

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  • rustydrd@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s not the maintainer, just the user who opened the issue. Here’s a (somewhat ironic) interaction between the same user and the maintainer: github.com/7c/fakefilter/issues/69

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• kia@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Why does anyone care? The npm package has 3,712 weekly downloads. They’re trying to act like it’s some mainstream package that a lot of companies rely on, but nobody uses it…

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  • registrert@lemmy.sambands.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m tired of watching bad ideas grow into industry standards.

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    • kia@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Fair point.

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• rustydrd@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Based on this other issue by the same user, I think there’s no cause for concern that the dev will actually blacklist PM/SL: github.com/7c/fakefilter/issues/69

  Anyone working with GitHub probably knows that it’d be lunacy to just act upon every issue/PR that people come up with.

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  • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Looks like someone noticed the PR and panicked. Then people someone crossposted here and people picked up the pitchforks a bit too early.

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    • tgxn@lemmy.tgxn.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      🔱🔱🔱 who are we going up against today 😄

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• t0fr@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  as someone who uses protonamil as my main email, this is very disappointing

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• sour@kbin.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Honestly, the more these one time accounts try to convince me to remove protonmail and simplelogin, the more I see how much it's needed to block them. It's like the marketing team is desperately trying to keep their services from being rightfully flagged and it just makes me want to block them even more.

  what did protonmail do to you ._.

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• helpmyusernamewontfi@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  this is someone probably <13

  “RobloxPianoAutoplayer” “Anime-Clicker-Simulator-GUI”

  what??

  also their “Guardian V2” repo

  Q: What is Guardian V2?

  A: Guardian V2 is a side project of mine. Its purpose is to protect users from game/user-made malicious functions/scripts. It is highly customizeable

  jeepers weepers man isn’t it so cool to have their anti-cheat so customizeable??

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• BarrierWithAshes@kbin.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  These genius also wants to block Tutanota too. What a joke. Never heard of this project and I will now go back to not hearing them.

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• KrummsHairyBalls@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m confused. Who even uses FakeFilter? And whatever websites do use it, most people probably won’t use anyway lol

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• spudwart@spudwart.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Power Users: Block all emails that aren’t Gmail or Outlook!

  Also Power Users: Why are Google and Microsoft monopolies!?

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• dinckelman@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m really not a fan of heavy-handed approaches like this. I understand why most of the listed domains are on the proposed blocklist, but Tutanota and Proton are the two most common private email options. Rambler is a Russian news aggregate, so I’m not sure why that’s in the list, politics aside

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• vagrantprodigy@lemmy.whynotdrs.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If that’s the case, they should also block Gmail.

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• Yoz@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yeap 83 businesses are my clients. If they do this ,guess they will never receive my email. Poor IT support of all the businesses. RIP

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• tsonfeir@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Well whatever 7c/fakefilter is, they just got unpopular.

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• taaz@biglemmowski.win ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Hah, there’s also seznam.cz (meaning “a list”) - I wouldn’t be surprised if more then half of whole Czech Republic (so ~6M) uses that as their primary mail provider.
  It’s also a main local web search and maps provider among other stuff, and pretty popular with non-english speaking part of the population.

  If the maintainer accepts this they would be most probably killing the project, can’t imagine people using it when it drops their user registration by a lot because of blocklists this wide.

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• FlavoredButtHair@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So I gotta start using my AOL email again?

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• dallo@lemmy.kiois.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The issuer is just a random GitHub user. Keep pushing back the PR.

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• fart_pickle@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  That’s why I have setup a custom domain and catch all so I can create aliases on the fly. Was huge fan of simplelogin until I did a though experiment about ditching proton mail. I will not pay for email aliases.

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• HarkMahlberg@kbin.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Thanks for adding an update to your post OP. Good to know cool heads prevailed!

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• Pika@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Do keep in mind, it seems like protonmail is considered a whitelisted domain in the eyes of lead that’s running that project. I say this because if you go under the issues page of it and then select the waitlisted issue which is the issue that he uses to keep track of every domain that will not be blacklisted, protonmail appears there. That being said the others don’t appear.

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