Pacifism is always an unpopular stance, because always, always, always, THIS war is different! THIS war is justified!
Reactionaries have you used the same talking points to shun progress throughout history.
Submitted 11 months ago by STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world to aboringdystopia@lemmy.world
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KISSmyOS@lemmy.world 11 months ago
PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 11 months ago
[deleted]Apepollo11@lemmy.world 11 months ago
With all due respect, you’re literally replying to a post saying it’ll always be “This war is different, this war is justified” by emphasising how this war is different and this war is justified.
STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I don’t that’s what he meant. He meant that many Russian soldiers are brainwashed by propaganda as well.
avrachan@lemmings.world 11 months ago
Back when iraq was invaded, Saddam was the aggressor who bad WMD, it all turned out to be a lie.
How do you know that American government is telling it’s citizens complete facts about Ukraine war?
Yes I know Russia is the aggressor here and I am completely against the invasion. However, everyone knew that NATO expansion will trigger a war and US actively pushed for it. American governments hands are not clean when it comes to Ukraine war and American citizens don’t question it at all.
Which brings me to the cartoon here where if you say the above mentioned statements you will be called a tankie, Putin bootlicker etc.
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Not really comparable. If in 2003 the US did nothing Iraq would still be doing what it was doing and there would have been no war. If Ukraine stops fighting for even a day the country no longer exists.
It isnt special pleading when you can point out major differences between cases.
PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Kraut IMO made a pretty good argument based on exactly that point that Iraq would have been doing what it had been doing already,
That being that what Iraq was doing was plenty horrible on its own, and that Bush and co could have made an argument for US involvement just on the merits of stopping a genocidal dictator. The question with no answer is if the public would have accepted that argument for going into Iraq at the same time as Afghanistan.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 11 months ago
But we must also look at pacifism as a convenient shield at times. There were “pacifists” in the Second World War who clearly weren’t ideologically opposed to war but were opposed to fighting hitler. I see letting putin continue as utterly chamberlainian.
PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Ok that’s not really fair. Declassified docs have revealed that Chamberlain knew damn well what was going to work and intentionally played down causus belli because he was buying Britain time to rearm, the problem was that time is a resource you buy for both sides, and the axis used theirs a lot better.
STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yup. Support for the Iraqi war was at like 80% in the US when it started.
jinarched@lemm.ee 11 months ago
That’s funny because those are the kind of opinions I developed by going to school.
lemmington_steele@lemmy.world 11 months ago
and that’s why you can see that once the person has gone to school they protest (in the next panel)
you then can see in the panel after they protest that they become the parent, telling their child to go to school. presumably because they forgot what they learned at school (or because they think school is the best way for children to learn about these things - which seems a little less likely)
jinarched@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Ah! I didn’t even catch that. That’s actually brilliant.
Cavemanfreak@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Oooh, didn’t even notice that… Nice catch!
PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Yeah, I’m kind of confused by this.
hairinmybellybutt@lemmy.world 11 months ago
im a hardcore leftist but you cannot leave a large barbaric terrorist group nearby your border
until hamas stop fighting from civilian areas civilians will get killed, because that’s what hamas wants
have a good day
randon31415@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Gee, if only Gaza would vote them out of power. If only they held an election. What is needed for an election? Voting machines and money. Wonder why they can’t get voting machines… wonder why the money for the election is frozen…
But no, bombing hospitals that you yourself built bunkers under and “imprisoning” (not hostages!) women and children sound like the cheaper, more effective and morally high ground way of getting rid of Hamas.
DoomBot5@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Wtf are you talking about? Elections aren’t held because Hamas won’t let them happen. Money is frozen because Hamas is a terrorist organization. Voting machines won’t be useful because Hamas will dismantle them for rocket parts and money.
teichflamme@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Really as simple as that.
These people would cry in their basements if they were sharing a border with Hamas
randon31415@lemmy.world 11 months ago
If Biden gets reelected and we do the “each party gets two terms then switch” dance that has been going on now for decades, it will be 2036 before we have a chance of electing a president that will hold Israel accountable for its actions.
CowsLookLikeMaps@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Which president would that be?
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pressanykeynow@iusearchlinux.fyi 11 months ago
prezgpt
reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Thaumiel@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s different now. Now Republicans don’t want people going to school. School just forces the lib’rul into kids brains.
uis@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Can anyone make similar picture with texts: “No Afgan war”, “No Chechnya war”, “No Ukraine war” and on every slide police is beating them.
fosforus@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I don’t get what you’re saying here tbh.
Kornblumenratte@feddit.de 11 months ago
This is Chamberlain in October 1938, returning from Munich to London, waving the Munich Agreement, confident to have appeased Hitler by betraying Czechoslovakia and to have secured eternal peace for Europe. Worked like a charm for 11 month.
AeonFelis@lemmy.world 11 months ago
“Educate yourself”
DoomBot5@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Hmm, how about that ceasefire that was ongoing until October 7th? That’s not even to mention the number of ways Hamas broke the current ceasefire that Israel let slide.
OtakuAltair@lemm.ee 11 months ago
You realize Gaza has been an open-air prison the whole time right? And you’re trying to deny the natives’ right to fight back against colonizers and settlers?
Theodor Herzl, founder of Zionism, was just a racist colonizer, and saw it as bringing ‘civilization’ to barbarians as did the rest of Europe when they were colonizing and enslaving Africa and Asia:
“We should there form a portion of a rampart of Europe against Asia, an outpost of civilization as opposed to barbarism. We should as a neutral State remain in contact with all Europe, which would have to guarantee our existence.” Source [II]
That is exactly what’s happening right now. All for European and US military and economic interests in the region. This is literally modern colonialism committing genocide on natives.
foenkyfjutschah@programming.dev 11 months ago
That is exactly what’s happening right now.
you know well enough that your small excerpt of literature from 150 years ago is not manifesting itself today. if that would be a thing, let’s make it happen with the Manifest der Kommunistischen Partei.
speaking of open-air prison, what’s your verdict on West-Berlin’s situation between 1961 and 1989 then? and how did Hamas and others get such an arsenal of weaponry into a prison?
tygerprints@kbin.social 11 months ago
What this cartoon is saying is that we all accuse other people of being ignorant and uneducated when their views clash with our own, or their politics are different. And that's absolutely true, I do it myself all the time, calling people uneducated and morons because they don't agree with my points of view. In that sense, we're all reactionaries and we all could use some more schooling - on how to get along and not be reactionaries all the time.
Crashumbc@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That’s not really true, in the US the GOP/conservatives are scientifically proven to be less educated, less intelligent, and have less empathy to their fellow man.
Apepollo11@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Not just the US, throughout the world, the more right-wing and populist a party’s stance is, the lower the average level of education their supporter base has.
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magnetosphere@kbin.social 11 months ago
I like how the child in the first panel grows up to be the protester in the second panel, and the child in the second panel grows up to be the protester in the third panel.
katkit@lemmy.world 11 months ago
And the protester of one panel becomes the reactionary in the next panel. You can see the person with red hairs in every stage throughout the panels.
crackajack@reddthat.com 11 months ago
I think that’s what they mean that “you become conservative as you grow older”. To me, doing so means you succumbed to the system.
magnetosphere@kbin.social 11 months ago
I didn’t catch that. Neat!
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The protestors also become the parent in the next panel. The child in the first panel is in every panel.
Astongt615@lemmy.one 11 months ago
And the child in the third panel is arguably the child form of the first pulling-parent. Excellent design!