Comment on Reactionaries have you used the same talking points to shun progress throughout history.

• deegeese@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Making war on their neighbors will not bring peace to Israel.

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  • tygerprints@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No it will only multiply the human chaos and misery in the middle East. And guarantee future retaliation from terrorist cells.

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    • admiralteal@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The best way to create a lasting peace is not to let aggressors do whatever they want.

      It would work, simply letting Russia finish a genocide against Ukraine or Israel finish a genocide against Palestine. The conflict would certainly be resolved that way. But if you think it is an acceptable outcome, you value peace too highly.

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  • fosforus@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Well that’s just clearly historically false. Israel wouldn’t even exist without them making war on their neighbors. Or as it initially played out, without winning wars against their neighbors who started those wars.

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    • Keeponstalin@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Suggested reading: HISTORY OF MODERN PALESTINE: ONE LAND, TWO PEOPLES. by Ilan Pappe

      Free on Library Genesis or your local library

      archive.org/details/historyofmodernp00papp/…/1up

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• tygerprints@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I dunno, but I'm totally anti-war even if there are some people (terrorists, criminals, republicans) who want to ruin things for everyone else. I'll never support Israel in their brutal retaliation against Gaza but I could never support any Palestinians who lug weapons around or use them to hurt others either. What is clear is that giving men guns or weapons guarantees an outbreak of war (they aren't going to use them to make nice lamps for the living room). My bumper sticker says, to make peace you have to prepare for peace. I guess that's too hard in this world.

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  • fosforus@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think that is a 100% admirable position and its only weakness (sadly a big one) is that not everyone thinks like that.

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    • tygerprints@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Thank you and I agree that is the fatal weakness of my argument. But, in a way that's why I feel the need to make it. It's like putting a pat of butter on an ear of corn, hopefully some of it will melt and sink in if people think about it enough.

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