Tesla may have picked an unwinnable fight with Sweden’s powerful unions — The first ever strikes and a solidarity blockade against the US carmaker could force it to rethink its entire anti-union model

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• Diplomjodler@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I think Musk is caught up so deeply in his far right delusions by now that rethinking anything is just not on the cards.

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  • nexusband@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I just hope he just crashes and takes that whole far right shit with him. Unfortunately, looking at the Netherlands, it doesn’t look good.

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    • Diplomjodler@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Just because Wilders got the most votes doesn’t mean he gets to form a government. Let’s just hope sanity prevails.

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  • NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The further you go, the harder it becomes to question why something is wrong, because if this small thing is wrong, is that other thing also wrong, and then this other thing, and before you realize it, it’s all been wrong, and that’s too hard to even begin to explore.

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• mindlight@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  For you outside Sweden: There is no such thing as minimum wage. It’s perfectly legal to hire someone for 0 SEK / month.

  The whole idea is that a collective agreement should be negotiated and agreed upon by the employers and employees in each business area (like telecom, healthcare, factory workers, electricians etc etc). The idea is that the employers and employees, not the politicians, knows more about what their market/business area requires and is able to deliver in the form of minimum wage, yearly salary increase, vacation and overtime (among other things) .

  Here’s the thing that often is different in discusions like the one about Tesla refusing to sign a collective agreement: Collective agreements only limits the minimums. So the only reason to refuse to sign is if you intend to keep some thing below the levels that are the norm in your business area.

  Essentially, you’re trying to get unfair competitive advantage.

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  • electrogamerman@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I am always impressed by the European laws, they are way ahead of anything. Honestly congrats to Sweden

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    • sunbeam60@lemmy.one ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s broadly not how the labour market works in Europe - but it does in Scandinavia, where the unions “won” (and long may they reign). Almost EVERYONE is in a union, most unions have negotiated a seat on the board of the business and as a result, the union-employer relationship is SO different to elsewhere. This includes the need for state interventions like minimum wage or work time maximums (except the EU directives on work time maximums, which the Nordic countries felt very uncomfortable adopting as it felt like an unnecessary intervention).

      Consequently, the unions have “grown up” and don’t reflexively reject any labour market adjustments required. They act as a mature partner, even through redundancies, working to minimise and help people move on.

      Partnered with the Scandinavian “flexicurity” model, where it’s very easy to hire and very easy to fire people, but the state has strong support for unemployed people in between jobs (education, financial support), the labour market is probably the most efficient in the world.

      Social democracy, yo. It works.

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  • Usernameblankface@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Kudos to them for figuring this out. One worker might be convinced that they should only get a small amount of pay for their working hours. But gather a large group of the same workers in the same field of work, and the group is harder to manipulate into a low pay situation. Nice.

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  • supercriticalcheese@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s similar across Europe it sets a bare minimum. It doesn’t work as effectively across Europe though.

    In Italy for example there is a set of National contracts depending on the type sector. But there’s plenty of ways to bend the rules.

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    • mindlight@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There are plenty of water to bend the rules in Sweden too. Sweden always sounds like the utopia when the press describes things like this.

      Journalists also wants food on the table and roof over their heads I guess…

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• MiltownClowns@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is the guy who shit-posted so hard he had to buy Twitter. I don’t think smart business is at the front of his mind.

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  • SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    We live in a meritocracy btw

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• snor10@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Tesla is taking out wanted ads to hire scabs.

  Disgusting company, adapt to our model or go home.

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  • Nollij@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Keep pressure on both sides- shame the people that still buy them. Make those scabs useless

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• 0xb@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  that would be great of course but you know who’s very ready to double down and lose billions instead of saying ‘uhmm you know what I think I was wrong and I need to correct course’?

  yeah that guy

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  • cosmicrookie@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Scandinavia is pretty hooked on EVs. If Norway and Denmark pick up on this, it will not only harm Tesla but give the competition a really strong advantage to establish a competition that already is threatening Tesla’s market shares

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    • iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah… The absolutely competently pro-union Chinese EV car makers…

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• agent_flounder@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  American workers: scribbles notes furiously

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  • essteeyou@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Then throws the notes away and calls everyone commies, guaranteeing their own low wages, long hours, and unsafe work conditions.

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• cosmicrookie@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is how strikes work. Not 1000 Amazon employees on black Friday.

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  • agent_flounder@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Have to build up enough momentum and regulation to overcome the very determined, active, anti-union attacks of Amazon (or Sbux, etc)

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• RememberTheApollo@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  A US business rethink an anti-union model? Even businesses with unions would be happy to get rid of them here. They’re not going to rethink anything, they’ll expend every possible effort to avoid bending a knee to a union, especially a foreign one.

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  • Patch@feddit.uk ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Plenty of US businesses play ball with the European norms when they function in Europe. The big US car manufacturers (Ford, and GM back before they sold Opel/Vauxhall) are unionised in Europe.

    They recognise that the game they play at home in the States is very different to the game in Europe.

    That Tesla isn’t smart enough to figure out the same thing is not an enormous surprise.

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• fne8w2ah@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  May the might of the Swedish unions always be in their favour.

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• cheese_greater@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Communist Sweden

  /s

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  • ArcaneGadget@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m honestly surprised, that there are not more Americans loudly calling the Scandinavian countries communist. Being some of the most socialist countries in the world.

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    • moitoi@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The mic Sweden with Switzerland. This is why. /s

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• reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Meanwhile in the USA I believe the supreme Court recently ruled that unions are responsible for repaying companies for striking…

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  • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If memory serves, I don’t think there were any actual damages in this case. They left a truck with a bunch of wet concrete and told someone, and the company had to haul ass so the concrete wouldn’t solidify and break the truck. They did just that. It’s ridiculous to ask for damages for that.

    If they had left a fire or volatile process unattended, that would be different. Or if they created a gigantic mess for their coworkers to handle. But this isn’t either of those.

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• PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I fucking love this story.

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• sir_pronoun@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Euuuuurope!!

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• Fades@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  get fucked capitalist scum

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• autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is the best summary I could come up with:

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  What started as a minor local disagreement has grown to the point that it could have global implications, with potential ripple effects for labour movements and auto workers across Europe and the US.

  The financial tech company Klarna recently had to give way after several years of attempting to resist collective bargaining agreements, and settled with employees in a victory for white-collar unions.

  In the US, Tesla has been involved in a number of scandals over the past decade, with allegations relating to workplace safety, racial discrimination, sexual harassment, labour violations and unlawful practices to curb unionisation efforts.

  When United Auto Workers organised strikes at the “big three” car companies – General Motors, Ford and Stellantis – in Michigan this summer, three-quarters of Americans said they supported it.

  (Donald Trump also showed up in Michigan, but gave a speech at a non-unionised car parts maker, which was equally characteristic of his signature working-class cosplay without policy substance.)

  For Musk, there are reasons to worry that his business model could be challenged, as the fight in Sweden reverberates with the strengthening power of labour organisers across American unions.

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• badbytes@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Thank you Europe for help fix our companies.

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  • ItsMeSpez@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Even if Tesla capitulates here, they won’t change their domestic policies. This will only benefit those who are actually willing to stand up for themselves.

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  • weew@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    they also forced Apple to finally adopt usb-c!

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• Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  That’s why you don’t fuck with vikings.

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  • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Or just the Norse in general, reminder that it was Norsemen who guarded the Roman Emperor in Constantinople.

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    • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Viking was not a nationality, it was a job, so your point is in some ways more accurate.

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  • No_Ones_Slick_Like_Gaston@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But then the She Vikings, ooofff

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• Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Fight on Swedish Unions! Let that Son-o- a-Musk get a black eye for trying his BS over here!

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• Excrubulent@slrpnk.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  “capitalists have picked an unwinnable fight with unions”

  Tale as old as unions.

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  • RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What’s the Swedish version of the Hatfields and the McCoys?

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• 5BC2E7@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If their values are incompatible and they are inflexible they made a mistake and should relocate.

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  • netchami@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Tesla, Elon Musk and all of his other garbage companies should just go fuck themselves.

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• Melt@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Despite the rightwing government currently in power in Sweden, calls to change the employment model are rare.

  I thought rightwing means conservative, do they use the word to mean pro-capitalist now?

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  • Ebber@lemmings.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That is what “right wing” means in this part of the world. Liberals and conservatives usually work together when they can form the government.

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    • Natanael@slrpnk.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Liberals here are mostly economic liberals with little care for other freedoms

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  • moitoi@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    As it always been. The democrats are right-wing in Europe and the republicans are more on the right.

    In Europe, you can’t dissociate the economic agenda of a party. The right is pro-capitalist and neoliberalism. The center too. The left is different. They are for a regulate capitalism and the more on the left, the heaviest on regulations.

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  • uis@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I thought rightwing means conservative

    Well, Sweeden was not a part of USSR, but it is possible for left party to be conservative one.

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