Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella admits giving up on Windows Phone and mobile was a mistake

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https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/24/23930478/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-mobile-windows-phone

Nadella, Gates, and Ballmer have all admitted to Microsoft’s mobile mistakes.

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reddig33@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
There’s nothing stopping Microsoft from coming out with a new phone line, other than poor management.

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- RojoSanIchiban@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Replace “new phone line” with pretty much anything ‘positive’ and it fits Microsoft.
  
  Better OS? Nope! Shit management. Better productivity software? Nope! Shit management. Better cloud and virtualization platform? Nope! Shit management.
  
  The first day I used Windows 8 RC, I was flabbergasted that anyone approved that dumpster fire for release. They’ve been trying to unfuck that ever since, and at dead snail’s pace. Thanks, shit management! You’re why I left systems administration to be a bad programmer!
  
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  - DinosaurSr@programming.dev ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    What do you program in? Ive really enjoyed the new .NET ecosystem, but I’m sure it’ll go to shit eventually just like the rest of their products…
    
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- lemmyvore@feddit.nl ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  It’s not that easy on the hardware side. Keep in mind that the way both Google and z Microsoft previously entered this market was by buying an established manufacturer (Motorola and Nokia, respectively). But Microsoft squandered Nokia’s manufacturing assets and would need to either start from scratch or acquire somebody else. But there aren’t many manufacturers left that are decent, non-Chinese, and willing to sell.
  
  There’s also the option to pair with a manufacturer and ask them to put Microsoft’s OS on their phones, but Google would most likely lean on anybody attempting that and threaten to revoke their access to Android trademark and Google Services. Samsung is the only manufacturer in a position to tell them to suck it but they’re locked into a complex struggle with Google and it’s anybody’s guess if taking Microsoft on board would help or hinder their position.
  
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  - yildo@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    The appeal of the "we could have been a contender" fantasy for Microsoft is the idea that they'd be printing money by collecting the 30% tax on apps and in-app purchases. If they were 100% dependent on Samsung, they'd be printing at least 50% less money
    
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- Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Microsoft does make phones - the Surface Duo line. Unfortunately it’s really not comparable to other phones in the same price range.
  
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SeaJ@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Windows Phone failed because there were no apps for it. There was no YouTube app, no Facebook app, no Twitter app, etc until very late or never at all. They should have just paid developers to make the apps so that people would buy the phones. The OS was great and worked on a wide range of hardware. It could have been a great enterprise solution and they seemed to be heading that direction but the lack of third party made it little more than A Microsoft feature phone.

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- Brkdncr@artemis.camp ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  They literally couldn’t pay the devs. Netflix for instance flat out refused to have blackberry pay for 2 full time devs to maintain an app.
  
  Netflix looked at the market share and determined that there was 0 benefit. The people that were on blackberry devices already had a Netflix account.
  
  Additionally Blackberry store apps were compelling for devs. Dev feedback included ease of development and more importantly they made a lot more money on the blackberry store than on iOS/android, both because the cut was better and they could jack the prices up because the customers were not nearly as frugal.
  
  To get into mobile would require a massive overhaul of windows apps to get them mobile-friendly
  
  Oh look, that’s exactly what they did and now we have PWAs for lots of apps. Maybe MS is getting ready to take a stab at mobile again.
  
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  - TWeaK@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Netflix have a different relationship with Microsoft than they did with Blackberry, MS would have had much more clout.
    
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- lemmyvore@feddit.nl ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Actually, the main cause it failed was because Microsoft bullied the manufacturers until they said enough and bailed out. So they were forced to buy a manufacturer to keep going (Nokia) then gave up halfway through after buying it.
  
  Microsoft has stupid amounts of cash and could have kept Windows Phone going indefinitely, even at a loss. It’s how they broke into the console market, by keeping the Xbox going at a loss for a decade. Yeah the lack of apps would have been a problem initially but everybody would have relented given enough time, and in the meantime most of the missing services could have been accessed in a browser.
  
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- teamonkey@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  They couldn’t even be bothered developing their own apps for it. The mail app began to lag behind Outlook on Android, Minecraft was never ported to it when it could have been a killer exclusive app.
  
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  - SeaJ@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Google was often guilty of that too. I remember a number of Android apps that were pretty far behind the iOS ones. I don’t think that is the case anymore though.
    
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  - Matty_r@programming.dev ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    That reminded me when the Remote Desktop app turned up on Android before the Windows Phone. Ludicrous.
    
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- n3m37h@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Developers
  
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  - SeaJ@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I knew it would be this before it loaded and I am happy to be reminded of it. Baller was such a weirdo.
    
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  - RGB3x3@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Holy fuck he looks like he’d been on a cocaine binge for days.
    
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  - calypsopub@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Oh my word, why have I never seen this before?
    
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- DontTreadOnBigfoot@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  This was the downfall of BlackBerry as well.
  
  QNX-based BB10 OS was phenomenal, and their hardware was top notch.
  
  It was the lacking app ecosystem that killed it.
  
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  - lemmyvore@feddit.nl ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    You need to read up on the fall of Blackberry. It was extremely badly mismanaged. It wasn’t the lack of apps that killed them.
    
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  - ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I was a BB developer right around the time of their demise. It never mattered how good or bad their OS was, because the development environment for BB was complete shit - which was a big part of why nobody wrote apps for it.
    
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- ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  They should have just paid developers to make the apps so that people would buy the phones.
  
  Blackberry at their end (circa 2011 or so) started handing out $10,000 grants to developers to make apps for them. I thought about applying for one, but $10K is not much at all to develop a decently-featured app that does anything, and BB’s development environment was such an unbelievable clusterfuck that really no amount of money could have made worthwhile to endure.
  
  Also: 16-bit color lol.
  
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  - QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    16-bit color
    
    What the fuck?
    
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- jonne@infosec.pub ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yep, if you don’t even have the stuff the first iPhone came with, your platform isn’t going to make it.
  
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  - Joker@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    The first iPhone didn’t come with those things. There wasn’t even an App Store until a year and a half after it came out. The first gen was pretty much crap. It didn’t have 3g when other phones of the time did. It had the best browser but it was slow as shit. The whole page would turn gray when you scrolled around. There was no copy/paste. You couldn’t sync with Exchange. It was missing basic features that other phones of the time had. It was probably the 3GS or the 4 when it got really good.
    
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  - Phen@lemmy.eco.br ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    The first iPhone didn’t have anything. In terms of features it was laughable and it could barely be considered a smartphone. It succeeded because it was a phone on a touch screen that worked better than any previous attempt at touch screens.
    
    Everything that made iPhone relevant against Android only came out later. Apple had a large quick start on hardware and UX, Android had a large quick start on the feature set. They both worked to close the gap and now we have two very similar products.
    
    Microsoft didn’t have that gap with Android on the OS level in any way. It could do everything. But they didn’t have apps, because the devs didn’t want a third OS to exist. Devs who just wanted to expand their customer base were making apps for wp just fine. Companies who wanted to manipulate the market into what was more convenient for them did not. Regular folks were making apps to get YouTube, Snapchat, Instagram and that sort of stuff working on wp just fine - someone even made a Pokémon Go client that actually worked on windows phone, but the companies behind those platforms actively wanted those apps to not exist in any way.
    
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- _pete_@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  They totally did that
  
  The problem was that people weren’t really interested in any of it.
  
  The UI was cluttered and messy to look at, none of it was as polished or natural to use as iOS or Android.
  
  Plus there was no Google Maps, no Google Docs (and Office 365 wasn’t around to replace it), even that apps that were in the store felt pretty bad quality. I had Spotify on my iPhone and it was nearly flawless, when I switched to Windows Phone it kept cutting out or crashing or disconnecting from the mobile connection, it just wasn’t fully baked.
  
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- 18_24_61_b_17_17_4@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Snapchat was the big one missing that really put the nail in the coffin towards the end there.
  
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- eek2121@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  That is because every single mobile version of Windows was incompatible (After version 6) with the previous. They kept reinventing the wheel over and over again.
  
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- ilikemoney@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I really miss the OS… My favorite phones at the time
  
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Darkhoof@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Serves them right for what they did to Nokia.

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- alcasa@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Maemo and Meego were so good
  
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  - Darkhoof@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Yes, they were. These bastardos destroyed the biggest European tech company for nothing. And Nokia had all the services required and the technical know-how to rival Google.
    
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phoneymouse@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Microsoft had every advantage. They were in the mobile space for years before Apple with PocketPC. They also had a freaking tablet.

They fucked it up with uninspired design (a start menu and task bar on a mobile?!) and lack of follow through.

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- Xatolos@reddthat.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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  - whofearsthenight@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    If you’re talking about WinCE/Pocket, etc, it was an extremely bad UI paradigm for a phone and a button free design in this case made it worse, not better and no one copied that especially not after the iPhone was announced and shown.
    
    The last iteration of Windows Phone (eg: Metro) was actually quite good, but wouldn’t have existed without iPhone/Android before it. It being more like iPhone wasn’t what hurt it, what hurt it was that they never got the dev support needed. My wife had a Windows phone for around a year, and the thing that ultimately moved her to iPhone wasn’t that she didn’t like the phone, it was that she was constantly left out of things because it was probably more rare for an app to hit Windows Phone than Linux.
    
    Microsoft did have the right idea with getting to mobile/tablets before most, but MS has never really had good taste when it comes to software UI.
    
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- gmtom@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Fuck you, I loved the design of windows phone. Bring able to size the tiles different and have them show content on the home screen was awesome. And the hardware was cool too. I still look at the photos I took on my windows phone and compared to my galaxy s22 ultra they still look just as good if not better in some cases.
  
  Honestly the wort thing about win phone was salty developers who not only refused to port apps over no matter how easy MS made it, but also went well out of their way to shut down any community apps made using their API, like the Snapchat dead did.
  
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  - phoneymouse@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I’m not talking about windows phone, I’m talking about PocketPC
    
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- jabjoe@feddit.uk ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Part of their issue is their desktop and x86 legacy apps ecosystem was no use on ARM touch devices.
  
  But more competition than 2 would have been nice. We need stuff to move back to mobile web apps instead of apps. Then it’s platform independence and the sandbox is interchangable.
  
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  - lemming741@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    We could have had webOS
    
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- FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  There was also Windows CE, which was a real shitshow. I had a Vadem Clio, which I still wish I had because I was a beautiful piece of hardware… but it was so hampered by having Windows CE installed on it.
  
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joeyv120@ttrpg.network ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Windows phone was the best phone OS I ever experienced. Features were years ahead of iOS and Android.

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- Joker@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I remember it being good hardware and the OS was actually really good. It felt very fast when a lot of Android phones still felt sluggish. What they really screwed up was the third party apps. Nobody was making anything for it and they didn’t give developers a reason to. It was a product that should have succeeded if not for bad management.
  
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  - ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    This is really the same thing that happened with Blackberry. I’m a mobile developer and I was doing entirely Windows Mobile (which wasn’t Windows Phone) from 2005 to 2010, and then I got a Blackberry project dumped in my lap. I was astonished to find that 1) Blackberrys were actually very powerful and adaptable devices, and 2) BB’s development environment was the shittiest thing ever invented in the history of humanity.
    
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- Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  My brother had one and loved it! But outside of basic tasks he couldn’t do anything with it. Eventually he switched to Android just to have apps.
  
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  - Polar@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I tried it, but then realized I couldn’t even view my photos I took with my Nexus phone at the time. No Google photos app, and the web browser just took me to a page that said my phone isn’t supported.
    
    YouTube was also only supported via a third party app, and was missing pretty much every feature.
    
    As soon as I realized I would struggle to do the most basic tasks, I bailed.
    
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- vivadanang@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  name a few. please.
  
  I’m open to being wrong but you need to provide evidence to sway me, because I’ve used windows phones and developed for them when they were desperate to get games in their app store and it was wretched early on. like comically bad. so whatever firmed up over the years, please, enlighten me, I’m genuinely curious where they were years ahead.
  
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  - gingernate@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Fuck man I loved windows phone like the guy you’re commenting too, and I agree with him. I could have commented and told you all the features I liked that were ahead of its time, about 8 years ago, but … It’s been so long I can’t remember shit anymore! Hahaha
    
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  - Phen@lemmy.eco.br ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    It missed custom apps but all the default phone apps were really great. The “people” app already had everything the android’s “contacts” app implemented in subsequent years (everything it has today) and also integrated with social networks so if you accessed a contact you could see all their posts from every social media in a custom timeline.
    
    The “me” app also integrated all your social media notifications into one app, allowing you to post to all of them from the same place, see replies and that sort of stuff.
    
    I don’t remember what it was, but the “mail” app had a feature that was my favorite thing in the whole WP7, but by the time WP8 came out Google had already managed to make it not wok with Gmail.
    
    Calendar, Camera, even the keyboard. All those default apps were filled with amazing little things. Many of which we STILL don’t have in android today.
    
    In third world countries the difference was even bigger. The keyboard suggested local words and names of local places (no system does that these days), the Nokia maps were far more reliable than Google’s (my town had been split in half by a new train line and Google maps messed up their data with that, as some streets that used to cross the whole town now had multiple unconnected segments - if you tried to follow Google directions to a McDonald’s in one of those segments, it would send you into a slum in another segment).
    
    Plus, the whole UI was cool and the flipping tiles were quite useful.
    
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  - joeyv120@ttrpg.network ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Dark mode and live widgets.
    
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- TORFdot0@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The app support was just so bad in a time where it couldn’t afford to be that bad. But yes windows phone 8 was my favorite UX for a smart phone ever
  
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- SilentSeven@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Loved my 920. HW was sleek and the live tile interface was years ahead of those silly round dots you got on iOS or Android. Sadly they were too late to the game to secure any app interest…oh…and they were Microsoft as well.
  
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- Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I actually had a W10 phone as my work phone. I had no issues with the OS, but app availability was absolutely abysmal. All the crazy W8 touch optimizations suddenly made a lot of sense. Too bad it died so soon.
  
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jray4559@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
By the time he was CEO it was already dead. He was right to kill it.

I have my doubts that a three-horse phone race would have been stable in the first place, as one of those three (Android, iPhone was too established) would have likely fallen out of favor. And then, you all would be complain about monopolistic practices Microsoft would inevitably be doing.

Google is not a good company, but they have treated Android much better than they could be.

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- Phen@lemmy.eco.br ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Had Microsoft succeeded, things could have ended up the same as the pc market, with windows being used by big brands and Android being used by companies like 2011 Xiami, making highly customized experiences and that sort.
  
  They say Microsoft lost Samsung to Android by being one month too late. Had they finished that first windows phone one month earlier, everything would probably be different today.
  
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Synthead@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Remember when Microsoft had an awkward funeral for the iPhone?

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- whofearsthenight@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  It’s very “going up to to your crush to let them know you’re over them but they don’t even know you’re name” energy.
  
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Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I worked selling cellphones when Windows Phone was trying to compete. Their failure was lack of apps. From what I understand, it was difficult to port apps from Android or iOS to Windows Phone OS. It’s a shame because the user experience was bar none. Hell, I installed a Windows OS theme on my Android for years. I still think they could make a comeback if they made an actual, honest to God Windows Phone that ran all Windows apps.

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- blazeknave@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Xamarin was supposed to solve this. They even bought the fucking company.
  
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  - Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I don’t remember that. What is Xamarin?
    
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  - Phen@lemmy.eco.br ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Supposedly they eventually got android apps to run on windows phone directly, the app devs would only need to publish their Android app to wp. But if they actually got that far they never released such an option.
    
    I’ve heard that the tech they got from developing this Android app support eventually turned into the WSL system on windows (the windows feature that let’s you run a Linux kernel/terminal and subsequently, Linux programs)
    
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- 0Xero0@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I used an Xperial back in high school too, it was better the Android and iOS in every way except the number of apps
  
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- whofearsthenight@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  If they wanted to compete today, they’d fork Android in a similar fashion to how Edge moved to Chromium.
  
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- JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I think this is a reason the Zune touch did poorly too.
  
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  - FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Zune was not especially great in terms of what it could do, true, but the hardware was also shit. The first gen Zunes all bricked at one point due to some programming error.
    
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indigomirage@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
It’s really was.

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SnowMeowXP@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
He finally admitted to it. I was a Windows Phone user until the end. It’s sad that it was discontinued.

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SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Dropping their plans for Continuum was foolish. Now we have fully featured Linux-based phones like the PinePhone that succeed where Microsoft’s plans for Continuum failed.

Phones are pushing CPUs and RAM that are on par with laptops and desktops at this point. It seems a little superfluous if we’re not allowed to do real computing on these machines. Continuum was what I saw as the future of General Purpose Computing, by taking the locked down OS design of smart phones and giving them a desktop experience when plugged into peripherals.

Once every phone is also a desktop, you suddenly have opened all kinds of options for people who only have a phone, and not a full computer. Which, last I checked, is the majority of internet users who access it via their phones. Continuum would have been a literal game changer, and they gave up on it.

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aeternum@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
my favourite windows phone moment was when they had a funeral for the iphone lol

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UnspecificGravity@lemmings.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
It is funny to me that they gave up on the Windows phone right when it was starting to actually kinda work and gain some market traction.

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kirklennon@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

In retrospect, I think there could have been ways we could have made it work by perhaps reinventing the category of computing between PCs, tablets, and phones.

I'm sorry but no, Microsoft was never going to be capable of reinventing any category of computing. They've never done it before and it's just not within their expertise. I think Nadella was right at the time to cut their losses. Windows Phone represented Microsoft's best efforts in that space and, while it had its fans, it just wasn't enough.

Meanwhile, they've done really well with their "apps and services on every platform" approach. How many millions of people use Outlook on their phone? How many apps are running their back end on Azure? Microsoft may have given up on an aspect of "mobile," but is still raking in piles of cash from what people actually do on mobile devices. Take the win where you can find it.

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thechadwick@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
There really was something about the windows phone UI though. If you weren’t around to try it, it’s hard to properly explain how different and fresh the flat pane interface felt compared to iOS and Android. It really was a phenomenal design language compared to the same old thing in the market.

I honestly believe it they had just sucked it up and subsidized the cost of doubling the ram on those last Nokia devices, it could have been good enough to break through. Microsoft had everything possible to gain from integrating the desktop-to-mobile workflow for business clients. Then they threw it out the window…

Seriously, I doubt many people here who aren’t used to corporate environments can fully understand how big the market was, that Microsoft gave up, by not spending enough to fill the BlackBerry hole that formed. They had 98% of the solution already developed, and fumbled the ball with a single yard left to go.

There was room for three players, if one of them actually serviced the business environment; and nobody was better positioned to do so than Microsoft at the time. Excel and PowerPoint that synced from your work machine, to the field, in a zero trust environment… Gah… they were so close.

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joel_feila@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
My first smart phone was a windows phone

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hanover@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
De-Googled android is what you want.

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Dick_Justice@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
THANK YOU! That’s what we were all saying when you stopped caring about it.

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blueeggsandyam@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I think they can still reboot with an Android base. They can just do what they did for edge. Pull a Google. Sell hardware with very polished software. Android would give them full access to all Android apps. Also they already have outlook and office apps made for android.

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little_hermit@lemmus.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
It’s never too late for another try, when you got a few billion dollars burning a hole in your pocket. There is a market for it, if done right.

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bus_go_fast@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
MS took too much time to respond to the iPhone and Android. By the time they had released the Windows phones, it was too late. Those phones were shit too.

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Toes@ani.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
They also botched the implementation of Android on Windows. They just don’t understand the market.

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Zoldyck@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Windows Phone was my favourite phone OS. I loved my Lumia 925.

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t_berium@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The UI seemed really good, I was really tempted. But I was ultimately thrown off by App support in general. Wasn’t there a thing, that Apps often weren’t equal to their Android and iOS counterparts?

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0Xero0@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I used a Windows Phone way back in high school, I think it was an Xperia, the build quality was great and the performance was smoother than my friends’ Androids and iPhones. Too bad there wasn’t a lot of apps though, that was the only down side though.

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calypsopub@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I had a Windows phone for years and loved it. But I’m glad it went the way of the dinosaur because it forced me to get a pixel which is even better.

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jetsetdorito@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I really miss that UI, live tiles were so nice. there’s launchers on android that mimic it, but it’s not the same.

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netchami@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

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Taleya@aussie.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Now do win 10/11

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