Elon Musk says 'we dug our own grave' with the Cybertruck as he warns Tesla faces enormous production challenges

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• Infynis@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  “We”

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  • logicbomb@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    When things go right, it’s “I”. When things go wrong, it’s “We”. These are Musk’s situationally preferred pronouns.

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    • DTFpanda@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No different than Trump

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    • tdawg@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Pretty standard for a rich boi

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  • Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Exactly. Who has the one promoting it? It was you, Elon.

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    • paddirn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      He’s very likely the one who pushed the engineers to try to make it work in the first place. They probably tried to warn him of the challenges it was going to face at every step, and he just used the power of arrogance, bullying, & positive-thinking to ignore it and just go full steam ahead with it. He would’ve just fired anybody that directly challenged him on it and told him what an idiot he is.

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  • dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Credit for innovation: capitalism. Credit for failures: socialism.

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  • TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Must be the royal we.

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• burgers@toast.ooo ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  “When you’ve got a product with a lot of new technology or any brand new vehicle program, especially one that is as different and advanced as the Cybertruck, you will have problems proportionate to how many new things you’re trying to solve at scale,” he added.

  does it have new technology? i thought it was just like, shockingly ugly?

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  • NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s got a lot of new things to them

    800v power train

    Newer 4680 cells

    ~85% custom chip controllers (up from 60s on Y)

    48v power electronics is instead of 12v, which is fairly new to everyone and the supply chain isn’t as robust as the 12v one, but long term it’s good for industry.

    Folding the stainless steel at scale

    9000T press, biggest one made

    The wheels that can turn on front and back

    I’m sure there’s more they didn’t tell us.

    It went from being a weird vehicle (love or hate it) to a new technology platform.

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    • xpinchx@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      4 wheel steering isn’t really new. (but your point is still taken)

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    • 666dollarfootlong@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      How is 48v better than 24v, for example? I don’t really know much about car electronics

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    • atempuser23@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      So here is some information on where the 48v standard is coming from. microcontrollertips.com/what-is-the-ideal-etherne…

      it’s new to Tesla but not automotive.

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  • atzanteol@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It took a lot of work to make windows that shatter so easily.

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    • bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      First you have to mass produce a lot of cannon balls, hire people and train them to throw the cannon ball perfectly so the broken window looks perfect.

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• Rentlar@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Gee… telling the engineers to getting precision to below 10 microns would cause production challenges.

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  • dragontamer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’ve been doing PCB-board design recently. Here’s the manufactuering specs: www.digikey.com/en/resources/dkred

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    So that’s 0.13mm tolerances to my printed-circuit board. Or 130 microns.

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    • Rentlar@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If he said <10 mils, I’d might have bought the explanation that Elon actually meant millimetres. Micron is a very specific metric-based unit which to Elon might have been trying to use like a buzzword.

      The moral of the story is don’t say stupid engineering stuff if you don’t want engineers to laugh at you.

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    • Red_October@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s almost like Elon Musk is a complete fucking moron and not an Engineer. The wanker has never actually designed a thing in his life. He just tells other people to design something, or buys an existing company, then struts around like he thinks he’s the smartest thing around.

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  • kautau@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Lmao “if Lego and soda cans can do this, so can we.” At least he found materials similar to his existing vehicle build quality

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    • plantedworld@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Hey, don’t disrespect Lego like that

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  • piecat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “At this point I think I know more about manufacturing than anyone currently alive on Earth.”

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  • tdawg@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    What an idiot

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  • gregorum@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Flashbacks to Steve Jobs and the NeXT Cube.

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  • FakinUpCountryDegen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I have what are basically toy 3d printers capable of 1 micron precision…

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    • nomecks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Cool. Build 10 pieces and fit them together with sub 10 micron precision.

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    • dragontamer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Bullshit.

      The thermal coefficient of expansion of say… Aluminum is 23.

      That means that when a 1 meter piece of Aluminum rises from 20C to 21C, just one degree Celsius, it grows by 23 microns.

      Your 3D printer is not a temperature controlled precision instrument. Your tolerances are no where close to 10 microns let alone 1 micron.

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    • emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The problem isn’t that it can’t be done. The problem is that it is unnecessary and very expensive.

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• Lanusensei87@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You’d think the guy claiming to “know more about manufacturing than anyone else on Earth” would have anticipated such issues at the start of the design process.

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• CADmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Weird, Ford and Rivian both seem to be able to make an EV pickup truck.

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  • skyspydude1@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    And GM, the epitome of “slow and bloated legacy dinosaur”, who in the time since Tesla announced the cYbErTrUcK, managed to design AND RELEASE a truck before Tesla even had prototypes. At this rate, I think they’ll technically have 3 different trucks out before a single cYbErTrUcK is sold.

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    • kautau@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The automotive giants always could have outpaced Tesla, they just didn’t want to because until it was viable with enough consumer interest (and competition), it was cheaper to only produce fossil fuel vehicles (and lobby against electric vehicles at every turn)

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• Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The real story is that a million people have reserved this thing.

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  • skyspydude1@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Given that I had dumbass coworkers at work who gleefully dropped $500 to “reserve” one of each trim, despite not even being able to even afford the cheapest trim (which will never even come close to existing with the listed price+specs), I’m not betting that it’s probably 1/4 of that, and about 1/4 of those will ever actually translate to purchases.

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• indigomirage@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Image. Cybertruck.

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• skymtf@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  *invents stupid and logicitally impossible truck.

  *Production challenges

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• BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Cybertruck window demo

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  • Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It didn’t go through, guise ah ah ah ah

    What a massive dunce

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  • Custoslibera@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Of all the cringiest things to ever happen on the internet this is one video I just can’t ever rewatch.

    Just the most cringe in one video.

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• Seudo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Wait, that’s a real thing? I thought it was just a marketing stunt!

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  • RedditWanderer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Tesla semi is a failure videos existed 2 years ago. Funny it took elon this long to admit it.

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• skozzii@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  There is exactly one reason I cancelled my tesla you stupid Muskrat.

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• Railcar8095@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Need a shovel?

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• wildcardology@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Coming from the manbaby who based the design of the space x rocket on the movie the dictator

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• youCanCallMeDragon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Elon has a habit of doing this

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• autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This is the best summary I could come up with:

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  Elon Musk said that Tesla “dug its own grave” with the Cybertruck, as he warned that it would take years for the company to ramp up production of the electric pickup.

  And special products that come along once in a long while are just incredibly difficult to bring to market to reach volume, to be prosperous," he added.

  “When you’ve got a product with a lot of new technology or any brand new vehicle program, especially one that is as different and advanced as the Cybertruck, you will have problems proportionate to how many new things you’re trying to solve at scale,” he added.

  First announced in 2019, the futuristic pickup truck was expected to ship in 2021, but has experienced several delays as Tesla grappled with the vehicle’s unique design and the complexity of producing it at scale.

  According to CNBC, Elon Musk sent an email to Tesla employees in August saying that the Cybertruck should be as precisely designed as a Lego brick, with measurements that could not vary by more than 10 microns.

  Earlier versions of the pickup seen in the wild have been called out for scratching and finish issues by prospective buyers, as well as being fingerprint magnets because of their stainless steel body.

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  • NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    warned that it would take years for the company to ramp up production

    Still learned no engineering? ;-)

    Ok he has been in Germany for only two years now, and he is offering such a bad work environment that people are running out of the doors there as fast as he hires them …

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    • NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      He actually said it would take around 18 months like any new vehicle platform.

      I listened to the earnings call, and one analyst asked why it was going to take 3 years (2023, 2024, 2025) and Elon had to explain how 18 months spans 3 years, it doesn’t mean it’s 3 years.

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• Smacks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I actually thought this was an elaborate joke. The “Cybertruck” looks like a piece of shit, and apparently is a piece of shit.

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• kandoh@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  When I was a kid, I asked my dad why the cars on the road didn’t look like any of the prototype cars I saw in autoshows or car books.

  Now Elon has given me the answer. Those cars are hard to make at scale. One is doable, but thousands is impossible.

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• Rooki@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Lmao, yeah i just watched the newest louis rossaman video and then you wouldnt be irretated why tesla fails more

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