They Need To Stop Doing This

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• bleistift2@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  There are really few problems that are “impossible.” That is, if you count those customers/managers are interested in. All the rest is just “I’ll need 10 years, 230 million Dollars and a research team”

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  by Randall Munroe. License: CC BY-NC 2.5

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  • xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “The other programmers keep accidentally writing code that ends up in an infinite loop. I’d like you to make a program that can reliably detect that.”

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    • elvith@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You may joke, but if I had a penny for every time someone asked me to solve a problem, that basically boils down to the halting problem, I’d be rich.

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    • WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Just check the git blame.

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    • jeff@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      A full solution to the halting problem can’t exist. But you can definitely write a program that will “reliably” detect them to a certain percentage.

      And many applications do exactly that. Firefox asked me today if I wanted to stop a tab because it was processing for too long.

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    • float@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Just because it’s not possible on a Turing Machine doesn’t mean it’s impossible on a PC with finite memory. You just have to track all the memory that is available to the algorithm and once you detect a state you’ve seen already, you know it’s not halting ever. The detection algorithm will need an insane amount of memory though.

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    • CurlyChopz@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Easy.

      If( loop == inf) {

      End;

      }

      Pay check please?

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    • mindbleach@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      There have been genuine efforts to do that. Obviously (well, for a very niche use of “obviously”) it’s not always possible, but detecting infinite loops isn’t like the uncertainty principle.

      It’s called The Terminator.

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  • notabot@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This. Very few problems are truly impossible to solve, they arem in fact, just wildly impractical to solve. So don’t try to tell the PM/client/coworker-with-a-‘brilliant’-idea it can’t be done, tell them what it’ll take to work out what it’ll take to do it. Either they go away, or you end up in charge of a project with an astronomical budget and no clearly defined deliverables.

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  • randon31415@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I mean, now a days, I can upload the image into stable diffusion automatic1111 and click interrogate CLIP and then see if it outputs “bird” as a reverse promopt, but this comic WAS from 4 and a half years ago, so the programmer was right on the time-frame.

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    • float@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It always depends o which existing tools you have access too. Go back some more years and there is no GPS. Detecting the bird will be the easier problem then.

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  • AccidentalLemming@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Funny thing is, since that comic was originally published bird detection has gotten a lot easier

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    • Ultraviolet@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      About 5 years after, and there was a research team behind it.

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    • Setarkus@toast.ooo ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I bet it’s because the camera now also scans for the 5G radio waves that are used to control the “birds” instead of just recording waves in the visible spectrum

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  • darcy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    respect for uploading the image, linking the page, and crediting the author :)

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  • Pistcow@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    What is a bird!?

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    • Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      a miserable little pile of secrets

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    • unreachable@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      insert “bird isn’t real” meme

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• sudo@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Customer: Why is there so much latency over my tunnel from us-east to us-west?

  Me: checks latency seems pretty normal, what’s the issue?

  Customer: The latency is too much. Why is it not as fast as us-east-1 to us-east-2?

  Me: They are near each other. Us-West is across the entire United States

  Customer: Make faster

  Me: This is the speed of light. And over copper it’s about 2/3 that

  Customer: hmm are you sure that’s as fast as it can go?

  Me: Well, unless we change the laws of physics your not going to get any better latency

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  • brygphilomena@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Customer: So… can we do that? Change the laws of physics? What congressman do we need to email?

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    • orbitz@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That’s cause they always have money in the lobbying budget to fix things.

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  • sloppy_diffuser@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    For the low price of billions and a decade of work they could build out hollow core fiber coast to coast to get the last 1/3 c.

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    • affiliate@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      that would really help with playing video games

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    • spez@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      What’s hollow core fibre.

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  • stratoscaster@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Then you find out the real reason they need faster latency is because they’re pinging the server for new data every 1ms

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  • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So can you give me an estimate for when you can solve that?

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  • simpleslipeagle@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Anytime I run into that question I tell them if I could manage FTL comms I wouldn’t be working here.

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• affiliate@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  what if we made a new type of blockchain? one that was powered by generative AI and the metaverse? oh! and could we make it so that it Empowers Business Solutions?

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  • npz@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This can certainly be done as long as we stick to the five core values - take ownership, take the leap, act with integrity, put the customer first, and dare to innovate.

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    • Kichae@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This whole comment chain is making me feel sad.

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  • CeeBee@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Only if we have 3 red lines, 2 blue lines, and one transparent line. And have all of them perpendicular to each other.

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    • yogsototh@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Can a line be a cat?

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    • affiliate@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      that’s some nice 6-dimensional thinking! very well suited to the new blockchain project

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  • sneaky_b45tard@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Thanks, i had a stroke while reading that

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  • phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Shut up shut up shut up!

    Please don’t give people stupid ideas

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    • chiliedogg@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      What we need is a paradigm shift in how we empower synergy between product lines through utilization of emerging technologies and strategic acquisitions to improve our KPIs across the platform.

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• Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Unionize, people. It’s terrifying how few IT workers are unionized.

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  • bleistift2@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s because we can just leave for better positions.

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    • Broccoli@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      As a junior product, hell no.

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    • Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      okay, do that then and stop complaining i guess?

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  • WolfhoundRO@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s because of big pay, highly mobile employees, hiding tbe real role of the HR and this false sense of security compared to the rest of the workplaces despite all these lay-offs from the big companies. Also, whenever a unionizing attempt happens, the companies go into crackdown mode and have their multitude of ways to either fire you with a bogus reason, remove your post citing “restructuring” or pulling you on a dead career track and demonize you in front of your colleagues with the usual “we care about our employees and everything can already be resolved through HR” speech. And moreover, many of these issues have a direct cause the Work Laws of the respective countries

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  • Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Unions only make sense when you are easily replaceable as a worker so you don’t have any barganing power on your own. As an individual IT worker you can usually tell your boss to fuck off if things get bad and just look for a new better job…

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  • CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There has been chatter on Blind for the devs and engineering unionizing. It’s a long shot. But I’m all for it.

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  • cikano@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    While I completely agree, the meme would not really be different with a unionised workplace

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• joyjoy@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Corp IT when the team gets ready for production

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• nogooduser@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  And if you convince the project manager that it won’t work by telling them all the reasons why they come back a few days or weeks later asking why it won’t work.

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• downpunxx@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  this is where the art of bullshit ..... managing expectations, comes in handy

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• BioDriver@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You forgot sales

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• blargerer@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg

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  • bleistift2@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Piped Link: The Expert (Short Comedy Sketch) aka “7 Red Lines”

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  • GrayBackgroundMusic@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This lives in my head. Any time I talk to/about sales or customers. ajklsdhflkasjdgfloaui

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• Zeth0s@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Why do you have a project manager discussing technical solutions? That’s kind of… very wrong. Most PMs nowadays have a slightly better background than a secretary on technical solutions…

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  • stevecrox@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    A project manager has responsibility for delivery of a project but they typically lack domain specific knowledge. As a result they can't directly deliver something, merely ask subject matter experts for advice and facilitate a team to deliver.

    Most PM's cope with the stress of this position poorly.

    This cartoon is an example of micro management (a common coping mechanisim), the manager has involved themselves in the low level decisions because that gives a sense of control. If a technical team then tell them its a bad decison the team are effectively attacking their coping mechanisim.

    The solution isn't to tell them their technical idea is terrible, when you've fallen down this rabbit hole you have to treat the PM as a stakeholder. They are someone you have to manage, so a common solution is to give them confidence there is a path to delivery, a way to track and understand it.

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    • Zeth0s@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Best practice is to clearly state that PM here is not competent for its job, either he finds a solution himself (e.g. he manages expectations of clients without admitting he fucked up) or he has to be replaced.

      This kind of situation is very dangerous. PM shouldn’t take similar decisions, nor promising anything

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• idunnololz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Too real

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