Dear Google.
YouTube Music is shit. Stop trying to combine your other services into YouTube music.
Google Play Music was good. Google Podcasts was… not awful
YouTube Music is the worst of both services.
Just stop
Google Podcasts to shut down in 2024 with listeners migrated to YouTube Music
Submitted 1 year ago by Matt@lemdro.id to technology@lemmy.world
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Covoid@lemm.ee 1 year ago
BigVault@kbin.social 1 year ago
I loved Google play music as a locker for my owned music and a a storefront to buy what I wanted. YouTube Music made me abandon it completely and move my owned music onto my plex server.
Why does Google have to ruin everything? Still bitter about Google Reader closing back in the day. That was the beginning of the end of me having confidence in their services and moving to self hosting as much as I can.
projectsquared@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Google Music was the only place I bought music digitally other than iTunes, and I used it religiously. I downloaded all of my personal music uploaded to Google Music before it closed with the intention of running my own Plex server. A friend who works IT security scared me into not running an externally-accessible Plex server.
So I fight with the YouTube Music app being complete dogshit on CarPlay. If you think the app is bad on mobile, just try the CarPlay version. Unusable.
Fredselfish@lemmy.world 1 year ago
As someone who loves Google Podcasts this sucks. Fuck YouTube Music and I miss my Google Music.
Tandybaum@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What is the complaint about YouTube music. I got it for free and it’s pretty good. Maybe not perfect but I don’t big beef about it.
Jestzer@lemmy.world 1 year ago
otter@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I never really explored non-FOSS podcast services, did it offer anything in particular over something like AntennaPod? Is some content exclusive?
circuscritic@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Many paid/non-FOSS apps provide more features then AntennaPod, or have better layouts, but AntennaPod is one of the FOSS apps that is close enough to being what I really want, that I use it over the rest.
The one feature missing that I’m really baffled by is the ability to customize how your podcasts page is laid out, so hopefully they get around to it one of these days.
Kosmo@lemmynsfw.com 1 year ago
No. Google podcasts is very basic minimalistic app.
quantum_mechanic@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
This is why Google will forever be behind Apple. Any app that can’t be monetised gets killed. Why give Android users a stable ecosystem after all? Fuck the users. Google fucking sucks.
SpeedLimit55@lemmy.world 1 year ago
To be fair the Apple podcast app kind of sucks too, its just the most convenient one to use.
quantum_mechanic@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
It’s more the principal that Google doesn’t care about their ecosystem or users. There would be uproar if Apple killed their podcasts app, since it has been around for so long. But Android users are just used to this shit now.
small44@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Killing google play music didn’t make me switch to youtube music, same here
Pechente@feddit.de 1 year ago
Why are they forcing users to YouTube Music anyway? They could improve the product before killing all of their other services.
YouTube Music doesn’t even remember where you left off. Switch to your phone? Playlist is gone. Close the tab? Playlist is gone. Anything other than an algorithm curated playlist will make you have a shit experience on YouTube Music.
PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s my theory that all large media corps want to go back to owning and controlling all of the media that people see. Google especially, since they’re an advertising business at its core.
small44@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They could at least kept google play music for buying digital music
Chetzemoka@startrek.website 1 year ago
Exactly. YT Music of such a trash interface compared to Google Play Music that I actually bothered to try Spotify when they killed GPM. They’re not accomplishing their goals here
h_a_r_u_k_i@programming.dev 1 year ago
Why is Google trying to follow the model of Spotify even though the model is not really successful? I hate when browsing my music in Spotify some podcast pops up. I just want to listen to my music, dammit!
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Google Play Music users: “
First600th time?”MrSqueezles@lemm.ee 1 year ago
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Google employee 1: We made podcasts in Play Music better and adoption went up again.
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Google manager: Oh, that’s neat. I’ll make a bullet point on this week’s team meeting.
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Google employee 2: We spent many millions on a new podcast app and servers, engineering, data migration, PR, integrations
and adoption is lower. Actually, nobody wanted it or cares or likes it. -
Google VP: Everyone this can’t fail. Pick the best looking metrics, prepare a series of announcements and get ready for a wave of promotions and it’s all thanks to this superstar manager who’s definitely getting a huge bonus and double promotion so I can spin this like it was a win. The best part? Get ready for a repeat when we replace this again in 2 to 3 years.
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Moonrise2473@feddit.it 1 year ago
Do they have a script that they must follow? Why every single time they need to kill a product BEFORE having a fucking replacement???
Why they couldn’t implement podcasts in yt music and then kill Google podcasts?
Why. Every. Single. Time. They need to kill a product BEFORE the replacement is ready???
I’m guessing right now every dev with a podcasting app on the play store is popping champagne from the huge influx of Google podcasts refugees
maniacalmanicmania@aussie.zone 1 year ago
AntennaPod is great.
Moonrise2473@feddit.it 1 year ago
Nice! Full support for recommendations in my language!
blackbarn@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Go for AntennaPod. FOSS and works great
thethirdobject@lemmy.world 1 year ago
one suggestion: pocketcasts
eestileib@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
BeyondPod is paid but pretty decent.
ricecake@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Uuuh, podcasts have been available in YouTube music for a while.
chwilson@lemmy.world 1 year ago
At this point it’s on you if you put any faith in any Google product aside from Search/YT/Adtech to last longer than a couple of years.
Toribor@corndog.social 1 year ago
Best case scenario: They forget about whatever product you like and it’s allowed to continue running for years with zero updates.
Most likely scenario: They kill it off to merge into another product line that overlaps with a third of the features only to do the exact same thing again within a year or two.
llama@midwest.social 1 year ago
“what if we made it so everybody had to pay to turn off their screens even if there was no video or music!”
nicoweio@lemmy.world 1 year ago
But… that didn’t and doesn’t apply YouTube Music, only to YouTube, right?
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
It’s just as stupid as you fear. Music stops when you close your screen.
Great music player, Google.
Pxtl@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Fortunately when they killed the podcasts out of Google Play Music I switched to Podcast Addict and never looked back.
I honestly feel bad for the guys assigned to work on this dead-end project.
And considering the buggy, infuriating mess that YTM is and that team is being rewarded with expanded scope, I wonder what dirt they have on Sundar.
mcc@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Okay, it isn’t just me who find YTM buggy.
As a music player, could it please play music? Jesus.
Lonnie123@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I have 4 people that use it on my account, it plays music just fine. Makes playlists, finds similar artist, View artist/album on long press, add to current list now or at the end, etc…
Actually has some interesting and unique features (like I can add stuff from youtube app or desktop even to a playlist and it will be in the playlist on TYM later on.)
What does it not do for you?
Pxtl@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I mean GPM was buggy too, but it was just unstable and slow. YTM just has boneheaded bugs. I’ve started running wearing a WearOS watch and it can’t even list more than 100 albums in my library, so I can’t download any albums alphabetically after Love Songs Drug Songs by the X Ambassadors.
Moonrise2473@feddit.it 1 year ago
Fuck! I liked Google podcasts due to the android auto integration! I am not willing to install yt music on my phone.
WatTyler@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
I recommend Pocket Casts.
Moonrise2473@feddit.it 1 year ago
Thanks, seems nice 👍
raptir@lemdro.id 1 year ago
I’ve been using Podcast Republic for a while and it’s solid. Works great with AA.
IronRain@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Great dev too! I suggested a few improvements awhile back, and not only did he respond back, he had it implemented within the next update. And a one time payment instead of a subscription, which automatically makes this highly customizable app better than most of its peers.
Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I have premium and I can’t use Youtube without video on Android auto. That needs to change.
RoyalEngineering@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Oh Google.
They kicked everyone off Google Music to go to YT Music and Google Podcasts. Now they’re killing Google Podcasts and telling people to go to YT Music.
If YT Music wasn’t linked with my YouTube Premium subscription, I would never use it.
brlemworld@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I decided to cancel both. YT Music deleted my music that they don’t have in their global library, and they fucked up the sorting of my liked playlist. Going back to buying music a la carte and storing it myself.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m old school, but music that isn’t in a file stored on one of my devices doesn’t actually exist for me.
Mishaye@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I sometimes decide to try out YouTube Music for playing some of the music I have saved on YT in a more music focused UI.
Then I go back straight back to regular YouTube, because half the songs/music can’t be played in YT Music (including offical music on official channels).
I feel like I get some good value out of YT Premium, but I don’t understand YT Music.
RoyalEngineering@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Interesting use case.
I’m opposite. I want 0 video functionality in the app and just want audio. When they made the YouTube integration more visible I started getting the ick.
Resol@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Google is now my least favorite company.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Why? That one actually makes sense to consolidate.
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Youtube music is hot garbage.
lessthanthree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Not going to down vote you for disagreeing. I think the frustrations stem from the constant closure of apps. Whether it makes sense or not, it is annoying getting invested into a service and then it gets pulled away. I would say it’s essentially inevitable that any app or service you use today will lose support at some point. Google has a track record now of closing apps fairly early. I’m already finding that YouTube Music is getting features that I have no interest in using.
worsedoughnut@lemdro.id 1 year ago
I could understand consolidation when you’re as big as google and lot of these one-off apps (Duo, Allo, Podcasts, Measure, Hangouts, etc.) are all clearly just testing grounds for either specific features eventually destined for their mainline apps, or just neat ideas that never caught on and couldn’t be monetized enough to warrant keeping the service alive.
The real issue is: they almost NEVER actually make the “consolidated” app reach feature parity with the one it gets folded into.
treefrog@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Nah, I’ll migrate to podbean or something else.
cbarrick@lemmy.world 1 year ago
YouTube Music allows the app to be minimized, AFAIK.
It’s standard YouTube (non-premiun) that requires the app to be in the foreground.
macarthur_park@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You can use the YouTube music app with a standard (free) YouTube account, at least on iOS. But the audio only keeps playing in the background if you pay for YouTube music. And I think you can’t download music to play offline.
For what it’s worth, YouTube Premium ($14/ month) includes YouTube music and removes ads for YouTube.
mosiacmango@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Its a but hacky, but if you disable the youtube app, install firefox and then its “video background player” addon, you can listen to youtube videos/music minimized without paying.
Shihali@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Seems to vary depending on whether I’m attempting to listen to music on my device (“attempting to” is the right word as it takes 15 seconds to load each individual song as it goes through a playlist) or listen to a YouTube video. It can go further into the background if it’s music on my device, no further back than a big window drawn over the screen if it’s a podcastable video, and must be in the foreground for a video IIRC.
sanpo@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Does Google Podcasts really not support that? Because that’s like… the basics.
radix@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Podcasts does, Youtube doesn’t unless you pay for premium. After the migration, if that policy doesn’t change, google’s platform of the week will be useless for podcasts.
Matt@lemdro.id 1 year ago
Google Podcasts does, but background play is a premium feature on YouTube Music.
treefrog@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Podcasts does but not YouTube unless you pay for a subscription
narwhalperson@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
It used to. They paywalled it with YouTube premium.
revv@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
InnerTune. No ads, no account. Minimize/do what you want.
treefrog@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Thanks! I’m installing it now.
Kevnyon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Well fuck me, why? Why oh why? It’s such a clean and simple app, no weird shit and of course it gets axed. I think I may just stop listening to podcasts then, much easier than switching to an app I have no interest in.
DSkou7@programming.dev 1 year ago
AntennaPod is great, free, and has no ads. Pretty sure it’s open source too.
Kevnyon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I might have to check it out, thanks!
seapat@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Open source indeed github.com/AntennaPod
clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I’ve been using Pocket Casts for years. Works great.
ettyblatant@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I was having some problems with Google podcasts (which I used for years) and switched to Pocket Casts. It’s been great other than some kind of clunky bits when trying to add to/edit your play-next queue, but otherwise I think it’s a pretty great transition from Google
Hiccup@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
I’m totally on board them getting investigated for antitrust and monopolistic practices. Google has really turned to shit the last 4-5 years.
EvilCartyen@feddit.dk 1 year ago
That sucks, it’s been my only podcast app for many years.
I will never switch to YouTube music. Guess I’ll have to leave another google service.
Vub@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Just use a good podcast app like Pocket Casts. It’s the king on iOS at least, so I assume it’s good on Android as well. I never understood why people keep using these shitty Google apps that always get abandoned.
108@kbin.social 1 year ago
This is why I'll never get investigated in Google again. I'm working on trying to move everything I can out.
EarMaster@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I still have Google Listen on my first Android phone. Maybe I can go back…
Numenor@lemmy.world 1 year ago
YT music isn’t even available in my region, these fucks.
chrishazfun@lemmy.world 1 year ago
While I don’t nessesarily hate YT Music (merging Spotify habits with it means I have community uploads and official streams in the same place) this is such a Google move to pull off.
blayde@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
I saw this coming when GPM shutdown and podcasts migrated to Google Podcasts. The GPM podcasts were already bugged before that due to lack of attention. Very happy I bailed out for AntennaPod way back then!
CCF_100@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Today on: “What did Google decide to kill?”
plz1@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Overcast is superior to both. And I used to pay for YouTube Music…
umbraroze@kbin.social 1 year ago
Google Podcasts to shut down in 2024
Welp, another Google service that was too beautiful for this world.
Time to move my subscriptions to other podcatcher then. [taking a quick look at various migration options] Hmmm. What to write on Google Podcasts gravestone? "Here lies Google Podcasts. It never supported OPML."
with listeners migrated to YouTube Music
Damn. I migrated my Google Play Music purchases to YouTube Music and to this day I have no idea where they actually went. If I hadn't downloaded the local MP3 copies with the terrible joke of a client software they had, I'd have been screwed. Went back to just buying music on iTunes.
PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Is there a FOSS podcast player?
toxicbubble@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I switched to Pocket Cast
drdabbles@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What the fuck. I use both apps, but podcasts doesn’t blow at life when it comes to actual podcasts.
addison@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
This would be a great moment for The Onion to run a headline like “Google plans to sunset Gmail, migrate users to YouTube Music.”
Sabata11792@kbin.social 1 year ago
No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Business Where This Regularly Happen
jdf038@mander.xyz 1 year ago
“Google plans to require a YouTube Premium subscription to allow users to search while minimized, industry leak claims”
kaitco@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think that one might cause some real pandemonium in that far too many people would think it’s legit.
APassenger@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That should be a very strong indication about how little faith people have in Google now.
neutron@thelemmy.club 1 year ago
It used take one single troll to pull it off… back when twitter existed and had any sort of legitimacy.
capy_bara@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Why would you need Gmail? Just share messages through Google docs