“If GrapheneOS devices can’t be sold in a region due to their regulations, so be it.”
Wonder if Motorola feels the same way.
GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating systems — group says it will never require personal information
Submitted 2 weeks ago by throws_lemy@reddthat.com to technology@lemmy.world
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voluble@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Flipper@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
They can just sell their normal phone. As long as the user is able to run the installer it doesn’t really matter.
Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
During prohibition era, there was a brick of dried grapes being sold as a nutrition supplement or something like that, but it had a “warning” sticker attached say specifically not to dissolve it in a specific quantity of water, and if that were to happen, do not let a specific quantity of yeast to fall in it, and especially not to let it sit for 6 weeks, or else you might end up with wine, which is forbidden!
I can see a cheeky sort of company selling a phone with a little warning label attached to it…
Evotech@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s probably not a viable economic decision though
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Imagine if California then declared a ban on the sale of GrapheneOS compatible phones.
would be fun to see.
ThomasWilliams@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Wonder if Motorola feels the same way.
Motorola phones will have both Graphene and Android.
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
what the fuck is a graphene OS device
PearOfJudes@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Google Pixels can be flashed with Graphene OS which is just a debloated, private, secure, opensource OS.
PearOfJudes@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Ig they are called grapheneOS devices?
CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
A Motorola
Suavevillain@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Good. Put that energy into a moderate parental control education fund or something. The ID gating the net is only for control.
endlesseden@pyfedi.deep-rose.org 2 weeks ago
Better yet, vote/demand actual punishments for parents when their children chose to commit crimes as they don’t want to parent.
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 2 weeks ago
Now if only GrapheneOS was easy to install on cheap Android devices.
just2look@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
They have reached a deal with Motorola, so hopefully there will be more options soon. You can get we used pixels pretty cheap though, and the installation process is very easy.
CMDR_Horn@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I was wondering how this stance will impact that deal. A large company like Motorola would typically seek to comply with laws such as these
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 2 weeks ago
Pixel is the brand name from DoubleClick. I've got no interest. Plus, it's a pain to put them on Tracfone, so I've got net-negative interest.
kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Grapheneos is surprisingly the most easy OS to install… The issue is most phone manufacturer’s dont meet Grapheneos its standards.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I agree, but isn’t that just the same way said differently?
it’s not hard to install if you have a phone that follows stringent standards, that only 30% of manufacturers follow…
CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Cheap android devices don’t have the proper security hardware. Hopefully the Motorola phone is cheaper than a pixel though. Used pixels are also pretty cheap, all things considered.
Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Correction, the oldest supported Pixels that will likely lose support soon are pretty cheap. Everything else was still around $400 when I checked last month.
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 2 weeks ago
I'm not interested in using anything with DoubleClick's hooks in it. I'm happy with my $30 Tracfone for most of the features it offers.
Blackfeathr@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And if all banking apps were compatible with it…
CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Banking apps work for me with exploit compatibility mode enabled.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
don’t use a banking app if you enjoy your privacy.
there isn’t a single banking app that isn’t tracking you.
Ulrich@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
…it is?
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
It’s about time I flash that onto my pixel 6 pro.
0x0@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
The 5a is the newest unsupported device, so i’d guess the 6 is next.
kalpol@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Can you build it yourself like you can for Lineage?
eru@mouse.chitanda.moe 2 weeks ago
this is why its a poggers operating system
edgyspazkid@lemmy.wtf 2 weeks ago
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
This is the only correct response. Middle finger.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
CA’s law is “per child”. I guarantee lawyers are foaming at the mouth to claim every child in CA was hurt so they can line their pockets. CA’s public protection laws seem to be for the purposes of enriching lawyers. I’d love to see how many class action suits would get filed if lawyer fees were put under a hard cap.
Archr@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“lawyers” can’t bring charges for this law. Only the AG. If people don’t like what the AG is doing then they can just start a recall election.
richardwallass@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Good boys !
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They have partnered with motorola too right? Basedbasedbasedbased
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If the US government bans Graphene, Motorola will drop them in 1/1000th of a heartbeat.
Reygle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The rest of the planet may have something to say on that front. There IS more to the world than naziland.
Bullerfar@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Fuck the usa
collar@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
How does the government ban an os? Can’t is a strong word, but I don’t see that happening. It’s a Canadian based foundation, not a Chinese or Russian company where they could argue national security in the same way they did with Huawei or TikTok.
It’s more likely a federal os-level age verification law gets passed and grapheneOS compromises or backs out out of the US market.
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Do you think Motorola would lock their bootloader or only stop selling the a phone pre-installed with graphene?
kepix@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
do you really think someone gonna actually care if an operating system has age verification beyond the mainstream ones…and so what, they gonna set up another mirror. big deal.
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
While that may be true, i do not respect corporations or governments and i will do my thing anyways
versionc@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m gonna have to replace my phone soon since it doesn’t receive security updates any more and I was thinking of going for GrapheneOS. What do you guys think about getting a Pixel 10 for that purpose? My second choice would be an iPhone but it’s both a lot more expensive and also less privacy respecting.
I was also considering a Fairphone but despite rating the repariability highly, there were too many other cons to the device.
sunbytes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You can get a pixel in the “a” series for a lot cheaper than the main series or pro.
I always run them and they last forever.
For example a pixel 8a is just under $400 full price.
Graphene also runs better than android due to lack of bloat, so you won’t notice the lower specs quite as much.
Graphene is probably overkill for a simple (commercial) privacy use case but it seems to be the best for confounding google and also stability. So that’s why so many people use it.
And there’s not much in terms of downsides.
versionc@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Thanks for the response!
Currently, the Pixel 10 goes for 600€ including taxes, while the Pixel 9a goes for 370€. Both are on sale right now. The iPhone 17 and the Samsung S26 meanwhile both go for 1015€ and 1106€, respectively, just for price comparison. Would you still go with the 9a over the 10 in this case?
blackbeans@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Depends on your angle. The Pixel is a good phone and the OS works well, but it is a Google device. A growing minority wants to avoid investing in US big corp, or in anything US related in general given the current political situation.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
I’d concur with the other commenters here and recommend getting a second hand Pixel device. I was a lifelong iOS user until they walked back their end-to-end encryption, jumped ship to using a second hand Pixel 8 Pro I got on eBay, after a bit of an adjustment period I’m very happy with my choice.
Tiefkuehlkost@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Got a Pixel 8a, i love it. Its fast, clean and customizable the phones have good technical specs and price/value for the a series is great.
In one year i only had two complications. One App i use hates the sandboxing and is lagging/freezing. I once had a broken update that bricked the phone until i sideloaded a newer update from pc. But its much less compromises / work then using a linux phone.
0x0@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Adding to the noise: don’t forget that Graphene discontinues support for older devices as well, although the 10 is not one of them
utopiah@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Using a 2nd hand Pixel 8 I got for 180 EUR running GrapheneOS, daily driving it since I received it.
BigTwerp@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
The $700 you give Google for a pixel is only going to erode your privacy further and personally I wouldn’t trust any device made by them, regardless of the OS.
Aralakh@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Can recommend the Pixel, after my 7 pro went to shit I’ve picked up a 10 pro - way better experience.
RazWasTaken@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
I did this. Pixel 10 pro. Works great. Did it for my previous 2 pixels as well. Feel free to ask about it.
kadotux@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
As a Fairphone 4 user, I’ve been quite happy with it for a few years. Could you elaborate what you deem the cons to be? (I’m not gonna argue, just curious)
tackleberry@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
The surviving members of the Epstein community want to know for sure they are chatting with children when they pick their next targets.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I just ordered a (refurbished) pixel 9 pro because of the possibility of graphene.
Otoh everything here requires a phone app to confirm every action…
eluminx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Any suggestions where to purchase one where I wont be giving my money to either Google nor Amazon? (I’m in the US btw)
kepix@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
as it should be
HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I worry this will squander their new deal with Motorola.
Then again, what’s the point in a world class privacy OS if it complies with compromising mass surveillance laws?
yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I mean, they must comply or face fines, whereas users can modify things however they please. I am ready to leave google, discord and twitter, so for users like me who won’t be on platforms that require age verification, I’d have no qualms about modding my OS to remove/disable age verification.
JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
As it should be.
sommerset@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
That’s great. But sounds like the only phone they going to get is Motorola. And if us gov going to pressure motorola into compliance? Then what?
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s a nonprofit organisation. They don’t really need to be the default OS in any device, people can install it themselves, which is how most people get GrapheneOS already.
collar@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
It’s not a federal law right now. It’s CA afaik. So Motorola could sell non-grapheneos phones there (and people could just install later).
ThomasWilliams@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If you don’t have age verification you will be blocked from sites that require it, because you can absolutely guarantee they will not want to lose the Californian market.
mudkip@lemdro.id 2 weeks ago
This is the way to fight back against fascist regimes.
bonn2@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I was wondering when I would see this headline. I wonder if any other big names do similar
kabe@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I also wonder whether or not grapheneos, or open source Linux OSs in general, will face any repercussions for failing to comply to these regulations due to the relatively low user count.
wewbull@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Hate to say it but systemd, the init system of most Linux distros, already has PRs with maintainer backing to implement DoB recording.
Some people can’t kneel fast enough.
sphericalcube@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I imagine people behind this law are pretty interested in this small but powerful user base. I would just boldly assume that a lot of people responsible for independent software and privacy advocates are using Linux etc. So its a interesting user base for sure. But regulating open source software luckily is pretty much impossible and they wont give up their(our) privacy without a fight. Also, we will see how much the user base will grow when these regulations get tighter.
woelkchen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They can simply say on their download pages that residents of Brazil and California are not allowed to use their OS.
BurgerBaron@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Motorolla bending the knee to the mass surveillance corps and international governments comes to mind. We’ll see how their deal with GrapheneOS goes now.
Lumisal@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Sure. Let them be sued on profits made 😂
TheLastOfHisName@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Linux Distros (so far) Refusing Age Verification
PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I think this might be the first and only time I’ll ever see Omarchy getting upvotes on this site.
cley_faye@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The systemd dude, ever so flexible, is already working on adding this into core components, though.
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Genuine question:
is Graphene a “big name”? They talk a big game and are probably one of the biggest alternative phone OSes but all results I can find are putting them at 250k users and less than 2% of the Android market share.
But, more importantly: Do they at all care about US government contracts? Red Had have RHEL. ubuntu have whatever they call their premium OS for enterprise users. Google and Apple are obvious.
XLE@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
GrapheneOS has a deal with a hardware manufacturer, Motorola. I’d consider this refusal to be a big deal on those grounds alone
bonn2@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Frankly I think they are the largest os vendor that is going to take a principled stance on this.
Luci@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Big enough for a headline, not big enough to make a difference.