The 10 Commandments apparently mentions absolutely nothing about protecting children from abuse.

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• cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You know why? When the Bible was written, crimes against children were considered property crimes against their father. Thou shalt not steal, and thou shalt not covet, both indirectly protect kids about as much as they’re intended to. Which isn’t much.

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  • cravl@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Interesting take, and not entirely wrong either imo. Though, I think the real reason is simply that such a commandment wasn’t necessary, because it was already implied from the very beginning. God gave Adam and Eve the mandate to care for his creation, and in conjunction with the fact that “Love the Lord your God” is the very first commandment (which means to follow his commandments), respecting the people that God created in his image would have absolutely unquestionable in the mind of the ancient Israelites.

    The really hard to accept part is how this respect for what God made included the destruction of what is not of him, which included people. It’s a very alien concept to us today in our culture. The important part is that what you read in the Bible (esp. the Old Testament) cannot be taken at face value. Everything is seeped in historical context that often makes things seem at a glance to be the opposite of what they actually are. The translation from Hebrew and Greek compounds this problem.

    TL;DR: If you want to take solace in confirmation bias, it’s not hard to do, and to blame you for doing so would be incredibly hypocritical of me. Remaining truly objective is the most grueling exercise in self-awareness and accepting uncomfortable possibilities anyone could ever undertake.

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  • over_clox@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Interesting perspective. But yeah it seems like they danced all around the subject altogether.

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    • Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Just as they don’t mention animal abuse, those morals don’t keep people in line.

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  • leftascenter@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    When the Bible was written is a very abstract concept covering a large timeframe

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• DomeGuy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The ten commandments are a old testament thing, textually written by Moses as he attempted to copy the ones God had written and that Moses shattered after the golden calf.

  Christianity extended the Jewish scripture with the gospels, which include a story where God Himself Slumming As A Human was asked what the most important part of the law was, and Jesus said “love” twice.

  If “love everyone as you love yourself” doesn’t lead you to not abusing children, I don’t think any book of good behavior is going to stop you.

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  • over_clox@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The letter J wasn’t even invented until the year 1524AD, so as a logical person, I think it’s all a load of horseshit written by people after the year 1524, not all that long in historical context to the invention of the printing press in 1440, to brainwash and control the masses as they gradually started teaching average people how to read.

    Government + Vatican control of the people…

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    • DomeGuy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      “Jesus must be a myth because the English J was only invented in the 1500s” may well be the dumbest argument against the historical Jesus that anyone has ever made.

      You are of course entirely free to doubt his divinity or the existence of God, but asseting that both the religion founded by his teachings and the 1s century rabbi were invented after Columbus’s voyage is just bad history.

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  • m0darn@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    People and cultures have very different ideas about what constitutes abuse of children. Some cultures would consider it abusive not to cut off parts of their children’s genitals.

    What’s your relationship with proverbs 13:24?

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    • DomeGuy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I don’t feel bound by any part of the system of violent punishments that Jesus rebuked. Especially not one line which wasn’t even from either listing of the Jewish law in the Torah.

      OTOH, there is something to be said for actually teaching children to behave. Using a rod to spank children is a failure of patenting, but so is letting your kid run around the restaurant making a mess because you can’t bear to rebuke them.

      (And, again: Proverbs is a pre-Christian work that was incorporated by the gentike Christians when they formalized a canon for the Roman empire.)

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• thermal_shock@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  No shit. Bible is absolute trash. Teaches you how to treat your slaves, can rape women, sell your daughter for foreskins. Daughters get their dad drunk and rape him. People that believe that shit have ZERO place in my life, and I will judge you. You can’t have critical thinking and believe skydaddy is there with a grand plan while children are being raped, people murdered and diseases running rampant. Absolute disgrace of a leader.

  If it’s gods will, why the fuck are you praying? Are you telling your God he’s wrong? What was his plan for babies born missing their skin? Was that a punishment for their parents? Why is God hanging out on the field for your favorite team and not helping feed starving, innocent children? If you can answer these questions with a straight face, you’re a terrible human being and deserve to burn for it.

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  • Randomgal@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I hope you can find peace and forgive whoever hurt you so bad.

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    • thermal_shock@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m perfectly fine. Hearing about all these “men of God” molesting kids and acting like believing in God makes them better than me is pretty ridiculous.

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  • over_clox@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Damn homie, you wanna go get a beer and watch the world burn?

    Shit’s fucked up ain’t it?

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• leftascenter@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Well 10 commandments are part of Deuteronomy, older than christian religion, and the book was nitpicked by those who institutionalized Christianity.

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  • dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Even before then. They’re originally listed in Exodus. Fun fact, after the tablet smashing incident when Moses goes back up the mountain to get a new set carved in Exodus 32, several of those listed by god in the process of creating the replacements are different from the first ten. Depending on where you split the clauses, there are as many as 18 commandments between the first and the second sets.

    Deuteronomy is a recap, including only the first ten, but also manages get the explanation for the sabbath wrong as compared to previous chapters. Then it goes on to claim “these are the ten commandments and god added no more” which as we just saw is an untruth.

    Even in Ye Olde Testament Times, an effort was afoot to deliberately mutate the terms and conditions in order to suit the current authority.

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    • leftascenter@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Forgot about that. I usually focus on Deuteronomy as it is really, very “fun”

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    • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Depending on where you split the clauses, there are as many as 18 commandments

      And here I thought it was fifteen.

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    • over_clox@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      “Ye Olde Testament”?

      Its not ‘ye’, its ‘þe’, the thorn character, pronounced today as ‘the’

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_(letter)

      So educate yourself, and please drop all that ‘ye’ shit, all articles that reference ye are incorrect.

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• schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Neither in Judaism nor Christianity are the Ten Commandments the only religious rules that exist.

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• OwOarchist@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “Thou shalt not rape” just didn’t make it onto the top 10 list.

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  • over_clox@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Did they even have a definition of ‘rape’ back in biblical times?

    Sorry I’m not exactly a biblical expert, but I refuse to believe that Jesus’ mother Mary was a virgin, someone had to have fucked her…

    Please mods don’t chop my head off for this comment…

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    • leftascenter@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Rape is mentioned in Deuteronomy of course.

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  • Snailpick42@lemmus.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Or “Thou shalt not own slaves” Instead the bible deity explicitly advocated for it and allows you to beat their ass as long as they don’t die. Bible deity is a piece of shit!

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• psx_crab@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s on the 5 that Moses dropped.

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• III@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Technically there was mention about abusing children sexually as a sin, but they changed it to being gay is a sin. Saying the quiet part out loud.

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• Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  That’s why the Republicans want them in classrooms, instead of “love thy neighbour as thyself”. Because that would imply that racism is bad, and that’s something they do not want to hear.

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  • Snailpick42@lemmus.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The bible is cherry picked to hell. Christians that actually read their holy book can justify racism, as their deity explicitly advocates for slavery in the bible. Slaves are property and not neighbors in their holy book. The bible is trash, and people should be wiping their asses with it instead.

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    • Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      So, like many people, have completely not understood how this bible and Christianity thing works.

      The ten commandments, together with the other laws of Exodus and Deuteronomy, are part of the old covenant. The key thing of Christianity is that Jesus set up a new covenant, replacing the old with the simple formula “love thy neighbor like thyself”. The old ten commandments (at least 4-10) can be seen as an interpretation of that new covenant. Many of the other laws of the Pentateuch, like the slavery laws, not so much.

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• Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I mean, there’s only ten of them. It’s not called God’s Comprehensive List of All 283092893936 Immoral Actions.

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  • Nemoder@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “Father, bless me for I have sinned, I did an original sin… I poked a badger with a spoon.” –Eddie Izzard

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• yermaw@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Real quick Google, absolutely none of this information vetted so take it with a pinch of salt.

  10 commandments written around 1300-1600 BCE. Average life expectancy 20-35 years.

  You’re not an adult for very long before you snuff it, and if you wanna have kids you gotta start as early as possible.

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  • alternategait@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Average life expectancy and common life span doesn’t really correlate. As a simplified example, if half of babies die before their first year, and everyone else lives to 60, average life expectancy would be 30.

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    • over_clox@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Life Expectancy ≠ Reproductive Years

      Menopause is unfortunately a thing…

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• cravl@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Just because it’s not spelled out, doesn’t mean it’s not there. Critique made without a genuine effort to understand the cultural and historical context isn’t worth much.

  Very first commandment (as summarized by Jesus) is “Love the Lord your God.” Combine that with the mandate to Adam and Eve to care for God’s creation, and the core tenant of Judaism that loving God implies obedience, and the concept of respecting that of his creation which bears his image becomes immediately obvious.

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  • over_clox@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I don’t give a shit about cultural and historical significance, when today is what counts, and the leaders and oligarchs in charge that supposedly believe in Christian faith are actively committing genocide, bombing schools of children, and they’re entangled in a pedo ring…

    If this is what the Bible is all about, ‘fOrgIVe mE faThER fOr i haVe sinNeD’ is all about, then fuckit, burn the bible and start a new belief system that actually makes sense and respects people in general, rather than abusing and killing them en masse and destroying the ‘holy land’.

    What’s holy about the land anyways, ancient history, or the bomb craters today?

    Sorry, Jesus ain’t coming back to save anyone, people need to put down their arms and go home to serve and protect their families.

    Fuckall with war in the name of the invisible man in the sky.

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    • GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      One could say that’s what the New Testament is, and Jesus put a lot of focus on loving others. The two commandments, which the ten are built upon, is pretty comprehensive. But don’t worry, people will find a way to excuse bad behavior if they really want to do it. If it isn’t religion, it will be nationalism, race, culture, which direction the bill of your cap faces, or if the color of your socks match.

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    • MrQuallzin@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I don’t give a shit about cultural and historical significance

      What’s holy about the land anyways?

      So do you wanna know or not…?

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• melfie@lemy.lol ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  People are still talking about the 10 commandments? I thought George Carlin already put this matter to rest.

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  • BanMe@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The higher ed institution I work for is installing them in every classroom per a state law. Smh

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    • over_clox@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Phuck ☹️

      I wouldn’t blame you or anyone really if people started printing out and installing a sticker paper banner under such displays that says something like…

      “11 - Thou shalt protect the children at all times”

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  • over_clox@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    LOL, I did actually link that somewhere in the comments. 👍

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• Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Damn bro you really owned em

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• possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Someone has been burned by Christians it seems

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  • over_clox@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’ll confirm that for you, particularly the Pentecostals.

    They were neighbors of mine within spitting distance, and yet like 2 years before my father passed away, they were trying to talk with me behind his back to acquire his land.

    A part of me wanted to burn their fucking house down over that, but I’m better than that. After daddy passed, they acquired the land that I was supposed to inherit (about 1 acre), and threw out all our stuff.

    I only got like less than 5% of the stuff I hoped to retrieve. Fuck, they even sold my registered to me motorhome to local meth heads for scrap when I was out of town.

    So yeah, to say I was burned by Christians says the least. But it’s water off my back, I seek no revenge, that would just make me worse than them.

    ☹️

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    • taygaloocat@leminal.space ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      There sounds like there’s a lot missing here, and calling your father “Daddy” is weird.

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    • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      How is this the fault of all Christians?

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• Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Probably because when it was written, marrying kids and having them reproduce pretty much as soon as they hit puberty was the norm.

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  • starlinguk@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It wasn’t the norm. Child birth is dangerous, having children that young was even more dangerous. Children of rich families were married off for political reasons, but even they waited until they were older.

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    • faythofdragons@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Do you have a source? I was always told that Roman patriacians were allowed to marry 12yo girls, but most girls married at 16, and that puberty was around 14-16.

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  • over_clox@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    And they still study that today… ☹️

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• Snailpick42@lemmus.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Nothing about slavery in the 10 commandments either. In fact, the deity in the bible explicitly advocates for slavery. Read Leviticus 21. The deity talks about how to treat your slaves and beat them as long as they don’t die. Also, different rules for Hebrew slaves (the deitys people). Christians are sick mother fuckers that should abandon their holy book.

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  • over_clox@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Oof, phuck.

    At least they fed the slaves right? A starving slave isn’t going to be very productive are they?

    Any wonder why over 400 TSA workers recently quit? No pay, can’t even buy groceries…

    And ain’t it just cute, turnip gonna send in ICE agents…

    Man its sad fucking times we live in right now :(

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• FatVegan@leminal.space ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  But the first four are about how much of a sad loser god you are praying to.

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• Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Lots of people treating the Torah as exclusively Christian in here.

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• PiraHxCx@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  they are probably covered by other biblical laws that apply to adults… like, if you rape one you just have to marry it because you can’t burden the father with damaged goods, unless it didn’t scream enough, then it shall be stoned to death.

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• ThomasWilliams@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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  • over_clox@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Interpretations are interesting, to say the least.

    Almost all the holy commandments can be interpreted any which way a person decides to interpret them.

    So, your interpretation seems to loosely be something like ‘If I don’t fuck a child or bomb a school, then Jesus will keep me safe’?

    Jesus never had a gun, and God has all the bombs. Wait wait, humans made the missiles and bombs…

    Fuck I dunno where I’m going with this, do you?

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