The United States has always been the villain of the story. But they used to at least try to hide it behind a sheen of soft power. The only difference between now and then is that Trump unabashedly takes the mask off and gives no fuck what the rest of the world thinks.
YSK: The CIA proposed a 9/11 style false flag attack on US citizens to justify invading Cuba
Submitted 2 weeks ago by bearboiblake@pawb.social to youshouldknow@lemmy.world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
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Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
voodooattack@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
US is the Andrew Tate of global politics right now. They were a lot more subtle about it before though. But the core values that have always held throughout history are absolute self-interest, entitlement, and hubris.
Apply Gestalt Theory to the US and watch how unrestrained capitalism raised this baby from an idealist freedom seeker and into a narcissistic bully with self-aggrandising sophist reasoning and a pure Machiavellian outlook on life.
Trump only did away with the pretences, by firing the people who took care of the subtle masquerade. He didn’t like the pushback from them on global policy, and because the shoes already fit, decided to just do it live on stage without the makeup.
Unfortunately for US citizens, that means that they get to experience the splashback as he pisses on their international credibility.
A historically meticulously curated and maintained image that’s now irrevocably ruined forevermore. No sane person can trust a promise or a treaty made through US foreign policy ever again.
plyth@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
No sane person can trust a promise or a treaty made through US foreign policy ever again.
And yet the Iranians rallied and did some revolting. Since dropping South Vietnam nobody can have relied on the US blindly. People must be taking a risk and hope that the support lasts long enough.
Trump is in power because he does what the elite needs. I would like to know why there is no need to hide the mechanisms from the masses.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Exactly.
Not much is different here than the presentation.
GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Soft power is woke, deal from strength or get crushed every time.
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Not just the US government. All government. Literally all of them. Not a single human government has ever existed in the history of humanity that wasn’t the villain of the story.
In not an anarchist, governments provide useful services and protections for their citizens. But lets not fool ourselves into thinking that any government is better than another, they are all bad equally, just in different ways.
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I agree with you to a point. I would say however that it’s not the fact that government exists that’s the problem. It’s the fact that government is controlled by corporations and billionaires that is the problem.
Take all of that away and have a government is actually by the people and for the people…we’d be golden.
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s stupid. This is something that’s undoubtedly positive that’s being painted as a negative by people who are naive. The one and only reason why we even know this was even a thing is because the US is a democracy with some degree of transparency. Even if its decades later, we can still publicly view, discuss, and criticize things that the government has done in the past because those documents were declassified and released to the public.
Most countries are not like this. There are a lot of instances like this that will never see the light of day until that regime collapses, and even then its successor might keep the secret going. For example, Turkey is STILL locking up the Ottoman archives relating to the Armenian genocide more than century later. There are so many evil plots and schemes made both in the past and present that we will probably never know about because they will never be released publicly due to the ruling regimes wanting to maintain their image. I wish there was more instances like this from the US and every country so we can see the good, the bad, and the ugly and get a real understanding of history.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
they have alot of military propaganda and copaganda on thier side, so they dont look evil. shows and movies cant "portray them as the enemy in most cases.
TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
“Trump says the quiet part out loud” as the kids say these days
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
Honestly I’m kinda shocked that they didn’t do a false flag to justify the Iran invasion. Back during Trump I, there were random drone attacks against freighters in the Strait of Hormuz that I would be shocked if they were actually from Iran. Did the guy in charge of that program get fired or get sent to die in Gaza?
The_Hideous_Orgalorg@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Why bother with a false flag when they aren’t being held accountable for any of the blatantly illegal things they are doing?
bearboiblake@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
Well, if the US imposed a draft for an invasion of Iran right now, it would likely lead to massive civil unrest - the war is very unpopular, especially among young people. At the moment, it’s a very distant thing for Americans, being told that you’re going to go off and die in Iran for the benefit of Israel would probably be the breaking point for people.
moonshadow@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
JamieDub86@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Are they incompetent or do they npt care?
bearboiblake@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
Well, we don’t really know for sure yet because it’s so recent – the US does have a ‘clone’ of Iran’s Shahed drone called the LUCAS, which Iran has claimed the US has used in false-flag attack against civilian targets in the Gulf. We won’t know for sure until the intelligence around the Iranian invasion is declassified, which probably won’t be for several decades.
Honestly, I think if this war continues to escalate, a false flag on US soil becomes more and more likely, to get support for an invasion of Iran.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
support for an invasion of Iran.
They don’t actually intend boots on the ground against a mountainous country of 90 million right?? Right after Afghanistan?
Like they could probably set up a green zone in Tehran and then what? Just kinda hide behind the walls forever?
null@lemmy.org 2 weeks ago
The CIA is full of bastards now, but it was also full of bastards back then too.
TractorDuffy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
These proposals were rejected by John f Kennedy, a Democrat
bearboiblake@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
Yeah - JFK was more than happy to commit acts of terrorism against Cuban people, but he drew the line at Americans. Great example of the difference between Democrats and Republicans.
TractorDuffy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Aw you’re right. Golly, I hate democrats so much! I’m going to vote red down the ballot this November. Thanks for clearing that up for us!
SebasFC@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Majority of wars started by the US started Like this. Is anyone studying history? Are you seriously surprised by this? Why is this even top secret, anyone reading knows
1984@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
People dont read… Are you surprised by that? Probably not.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
And video games. MANY people play video games for hours, every day. Imagine what else they could be learning, or doing, in that time. When they graduate from college, they will have played hundreds, perhaps thousands, of hours of video games, and have nothing to show for it. They could have learned to play a musical instrument, or learned a language, or learned to code, or how to repair cars, or had a job, or started an online business, or a relationship with another person, or gotten in shape, etc.
But they spent their time staring at a screen, playing a game that rewards their dopamine receptors, but provides literally nothing else of value for your life.
They spent their entire childhood doing nothing but becoming Dopamine addicts, while their parents allowed it. Millions of them.
TwilitSky@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
History is the closest thing we have to predicting the future and humanity is like “blah. Dates!”
Transform2942@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
And then JFK blocked it and nothing happened to him and that’s the end of the story and these plans were surely never implemented
Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The kind of sick minds to propose this and then seriously consider it is beyond me. Truly depraved and without morals.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
All to overthrow a foreign government because they might harm America’s economic interests.
If a communist government has that massive of an effect on the US economy, maybe the US economy should change how it economies.
Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It is all just the rhetoric for power and control. Countries claim communism or democracy but the reality is they are often not what they claim at all.
The older I get the easier it is to see it is all just excuses and lies. The whole world is fascist and policies are all that really matter. The rest is just propaganda.
Nastybutler@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Back then it was the President keeping the military in check. Now we have to hope the opposite happens
favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
The CIA is basically a rogue agency.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
The Joint Chiefs of Staff were also on board with the plan. The problem is unfortunately deeper than just the CIA.
DaGreenGobbo@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
But they tried everyone involved with reason, right? Right?
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Found Descartes’ alt.
Rooster326@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
tried everyone with reason
brownsugga@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s what they were up to as early as the 1960s. By the late 90s they learned not to leave a paper trail.
Upgrayedd1776@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Israel did the same thing to us in the 1960s to goad us into a war with Egypt en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
bearboiblake@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
Goes back a lot further than the 1960s, all the way back to the founding of the United States. For a pre-60s example, you might also be interested to learn about the Tuskegee Syphilis Study.
brownsugga@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Neither of those things were false flag attacks
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Wouldn’t be the first time.
compast@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I am hoping america falls and we get to know what shit CIA have done for a century now
Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What we do know is chilling already. We would probably discover countless targeted assassinations of US and other citizens around the world. Ongoing torture and support of pedophile rings is just the start honestly.
TORFdot0@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Plans were rejected by JFK in 1962. Hmmm I wonder what happened to him the next year or so…
DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Wow its almost like they wanted the twin towers. What’s a national tragedy over a for profit trillion dollar military complex and billions in oil and gas. Who cares if your expendables die that’s what they get paid for.
zqps@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
It’s actually a win-win as it helps to keep the populace in between fear and nationalist fervor.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Exactly. You always need a war to feed the Military-Industrial Complex, so you do what you need to do to keep it humming.
People die in war, that’s just life. So if a few Americans die in the false flag attack that allows the Military to kick off a war, and feed the Military-Industrial Complex that is important because it employs so many Americans, then they are just patriotic Americans who sacrifices for the war effort. They can be proud of their sacrifice for their Nation, even if that Nation never admits it.
DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You say its sarcasm but this is just the sad pathetic truth. Its a win win for everyone you die a patriot reinforcing the narrative.
Uranus_Hz@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Just wait until you see the one being planned to justify postponing the elections.
Upgrayedd1776@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
yup, those biolabs out in vegas sure died down in the press fast, even tho it was incredibly well funded by someone with citizenship to a country who specializes in this
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m assuming Trump will make up an excuse to attack Cuba now. Hell he doesn’t even need an excuse to wage war at this point.
pno2nr@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So after reading that does it seem so far fetched that the CIA could have planned/funded/executed 9/11?
fox2263@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
No one show this to Trump
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
america will get over the fact that cuba discovered a better economic system than capitalism.
Helloooo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
False flag is a common stategy many countries use to justify imperialism
prettybunnys@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I think the plans to blame the Cubans for electronic warfare in killing astronauts is wild too.
They would turn an accident into casus belli
redsand@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
John’s version is going to be priced in somewhere. They’re too corrupt to resist something like an oil refinery to pump their stocks or the Texas grid to kill Tesla( and make some shorts kings )
gigachad@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
In 1962
Does not make it less outrageous, but I thought it’s good to know it’s not a recent proposal
Manjushri@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
In the modern era, the US president doesn’t need to actually have a justification for starting a war, just the possibility of profit.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
It’s not a war, it’s an engagement of political discourse through military action to accommodate business interests.
jaybone@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Because they control all the media. So their talking heads just make up some obvious lies, and they are spouted and propagated without being challenged by actual journalism.
katharta@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
The recent ones haven’t been declassified yet.
Rooster326@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Yes, they are currently behind the shitter at Mar-a-Lago
AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
There’s a lot of crazy conspiracy theorists who believe Kennedy rejecting the operation in 1962 may have had something to do with his head doing that thing it did in Dallas in 1963.
Obviously not the only factor. He had a lot of strikes against him for pushing back on the plans of men who weren’t elected to run the United States, but felt entitled to do so on account of knowing what was best for democracy.
sakuraba@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
i hate when heads do that thingy
brownsugga@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There was also talk, I believe, of ending some of the oil and gas subsidies, which is where the Bush connection comes in
acockworkorange@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
The invading Cuba part kinda already tells us that.
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
It really doesn’t, if you’ve heard the orange talk recently.
DokPsy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Considering going after Cuba has been floated as recently as last week, it doesn’t
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I bet there is a proposal, we just haven’t learned about it yet.
discocactus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Which of course means there have been no recent proposals 🙄
Professorozone@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Well 9/11 was 2001? Just throwing that out there.