The United States has always been the villain of the story. But they used to at least try to hide it behind a sheen of soft power. The only difference between now and then is that Trump unabashedly takes the mask off and gives no fuck what the rest of the world thinks.
YSK: The CIA proposed a 9/11 style false flag attack on US citizens to justify invading Cuba
Submitted 10 hours ago by bearboiblake@pawb.social to youshouldknow@lemmy.world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
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Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 5 hours ago
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Exactly.
Not much is different here than the presentation.
voodooattack@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
US is the Andrew Tate of global politics right now. They were a lot more subtle about it before though. But the core values that have always held throughout history are absolute self-interest, entitlement, and hubris.
Apply Gestalt Theory to the US and watch how unrestrained capitalism raised this baby from an idealist freedom seeker and into a narcissistic bully with self-aggrandising sophist reasoning and a pure Machiavellian outlook on life.
Trump only did away with the pretences, by firing the people who took care of the subtle masquerade. He didn’t like the pushback from them on global policy, and because the shoes already fit, decided to just do it live on stage without the makeup.
Unfortunately for US citizens, that means that they get to experience the splashback as he pisses on their international credibility.
A historically meticulously curated and maintained image that’s now irrevocably ruined forevermore. No sane person can trust a promise or a treaty made through US foreign policy ever again.
plyth@feddit.org 3 minutes ago
No sane person can trust a promise or a treaty made through US foreign policy ever again.
And yet the Iranians rallied and did some revolting. Since dropping South Vietnam nobody can have relied on the US blindly. People must be taking a risk and hope that the support lasts long enough.
Trump is in power because he does what the elite needs. I would like to know why there is no need to hide the mechanisms from the masses.
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Not just the US government. All government. Literally all of them. Not a single human government has ever existed in the history of humanity that wasn’t the villain of the story.
In not an anarchist, governments provide useful services and protections for their citizens. But lets not fool ourselves into thinking that any government is better than another, they are all bad equally, just in different ways.
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 1 hour ago
I agree with you to a point. I would say however that it’s not the fact that government exists that’s the problem. It’s the fact that government is controlled by corporations and billionaires that is the problem.
Take all of that away and have a government is actually by the people and for the people…we’d be golden.
GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca 4 hours ago
Soft power is woke, deal from strength or get crushed every time.
gigachad@piefed.social 9 hours ago
In 1962
Does not make it less outrageous, but I thought it’s good to know it’s not a recent proposal
katharta@piefed.social 3 hours ago
The recent ones haven’t been declassified yet.
Manjushri@piefed.social 7 hours ago
In the modern era, the US president doesn’t need to actually have a justification for starting a war, just the possibility of profit.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 hours ago
It’s not a war, it’s an engagement of political discourse through military action to accommodate business interests.
jaybone@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
Because they control all the media. So their talking heads just make up some obvious lies, and they are spouted and propagated without being challenged by actual journalism.
AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
There’s a lot of crazy conspiracy theorists who believe Kennedy rejecting the operation in 1962 may have had something to do with his head doing that thing it did in Dallas in 1963.
Obviously not the only factor. He had a lot of strikes against him for pushing back on the plans of men who weren’t elected to run the United States, but felt entitled to do so on account of knowing what was best for democracy.
discocactus@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Which of course means there have been no recent proposals 🙄
acockworkorange@mander.xyz 9 hours ago
The invading Cuba part kinda already tells us that.
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 8 hours ago
It really doesn’t, if you’ve heard the orange talk recently.
DokPsy@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Considering going after Cuba has been floated as recently as last week, it doesn’t
Professorozone@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Well 9/11 was 2001? Just throwing that out there.
null@lemmy.org 8 hours ago
The CIA is full of bastards now, but it was also full of bastards back then too.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 10 hours ago
Honestly I’m kinda shocked that they didn’t do a false flag to justify the Iran invasion. Back during Trump I, there were random drone attacks against freighters in the Strait of Hormuz that I would be shocked if they were actually from Iran. Did the guy in charge of that program get fired or get sent to die in Gaza?
The_Hideous_Orgalorg@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
Why bother with a false flag when they aren’t being held accountable for any of the blatantly illegal things they are doing?
bearboiblake@pawb.social 10 hours ago
Well, if the US imposed a draft for an invasion of Iran right now, it would likely lead to massive civil unrest - the war is very unpopular, especially among young people. At the moment, it’s a very distant thing for Americans, being told that you’re going to go off and die in Iran for the benefit of Israel would probably be the breaking point for people.
moonshadow@slrpnk.net 10 hours ago
JamieDub86@piefed.social 9 hours ago
Are they incompetent or do they npt care?
bearboiblake@pawb.social 10 hours ago
Well, we don’t really know for sure yet because it’s so recent – the US does have a ‘clone’ of Iran’s Shahed drone called the LUCAS, which Iran has claimed the US has used in false-flag attack against civilian targets in the Gulf. We won’t know for sure until the intelligence around the Iranian invasion is declassified, which probably won’t be for several decades.
Honestly, I think if this war continues to escalate, a false flag on US soil becomes more and more likely, to get support for an invasion of Iran.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 10 hours ago
support for an invasion of Iran.
They don’t actually intend boots on the ground against a mountainous country of 90 million right?? Right after Afghanistan?
Like they could probably set up a green zone in Tehran and then what? Just kinda hide behind the walls forever?
prettybunnys@piefed.social 3 hours ago
I think the plans to blame the Cubans for electronic warfare in killing astronauts is wild too.
They would turn an accident into casus belli
redsand@infosec.pub 4 hours ago
John’s version is going to be priced in somewhere. They’re too corrupt to resist something like an oil refinery to pump their stocks or the Texas grid to kill Tesla( and make some shorts kings )
Nastybutler@lemmy.world 32 minutes ago
Back then it was the President keeping the military in check. Now we have to hope the opposite happens