This is kind of the best-case fantasy of what happened to introduce that DNA so let’s just hope it’s true for now.
Forbidden Fruit
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Sunsofold@lemmings.world 20 hours ago
massacre@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Yeahhh… first thought I had when the DNA news hit was that this had pretty rapey vibes…
I don’t think there was a lot of consent on offer.
MonkRome@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
I thought neanderthal males were thought to be a lot less aggressive than homo sapiens (possibly even the reason for their extinction)? Even though I suspect you could be right. I think it’s possibly a mistake to apply how we are today to how our relatives were 40,000+ years ago. Also they might not have a comparable concept of rape if you go back far enough. So the person trama, cultural implications, and psychological impact are possibly hard to analyze from a modern lense.
Bakkoda@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Clan of the cave bear vibes
starlinguk@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Neanderthals were more peaceful than Homo Sapiens.
tetris11@feddit.uk 7 hours ago
We don’t actually know that. Homo Sapiens is on the whole a peaceful species, but we have a few assholes that like to kill and subjugate.
Just because our assholes outlived their assholes, doesn’t mean that they were any less assholes on average than we are/were
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 hours ago
hunter gatherers vs agriculturers say otherways
RamenJunkie@midwest.social 4 hours ago
If anything, our assholes outlivng theirs show we are more peqceful, because maybe they also had a type of asshole who got off on hilling assholes for the good of the peaceful group.
Aria@lemmygrad.ml 6 hours ago
Seems to be most Homo Sapiens. worldpopulationreview.com/…/meat-consumption-by-c…
Riverside@reddthat.com 5 hours ago
Neanderthal were more homo than Peaceful Sapiens
luciole@beehaw.org 1 day ago
Where do Neanderthal women be??
fossilesque@mander.xyz 1 day ago
We don’t know. :(
newtraditionalists@kbin.melroy.org 1 day ago
Damn, that's incredibly fascinating. And illuminating. Thanks for sharing!
Honytawk@feddit.nl 16 hours ago
ICastFist@programming.dev 5 hours ago
So, all those cartoons depicting cavemen dragging a woman by her hair were on to something. Time to write some caveman on modern woman smut!
nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 hours ago
A trend that continues to this day tbh
sirico@feddit.uk 6 hours ago
And that’s why we have romantic fantasy novels
JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org 19 hours ago
So, how likely is it that neanderthals and humans just lived in tribes together, and neanderthals just eventually died off within human tribes?
JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz 7 hours ago
They were probably just genocided like all other minorities in history. And since Homo Sapiens succeeded, everyone promotes how superior we are.
BTW, our genetics apparently just merged.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 hours ago
I’m not sure what the right word for it would be but I know minorities isn’t it.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
I bet it at least ended that way.
They died out during the last ice age when one of the big differences from previous ones they survived was the presence of homo sapiens.
I’m guessing it was from a combination of lack of space, raids, and integration (willing or not).
We (who carry it) have a small amount of Neanderthal DNA, but it’s not the same DNA for all of us, it’s pretty diverse, so cross breeding events between us weren’t limited to just a few times.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Nice.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 19 hours ago
I’m something of a Neanderthal myself.
Er… I mean… Unga bunga?
neidu3@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
How do we know it wasn’t the other way around?
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 minutes ago
Two ways.
First, sex chromosomes. In mammals, sex is determined by the sex chromosomes - males have XY, females XX. If interbreeding was equal between the sexes of both species, this would be reflected in the frequency of neanderthal genes on each chromosome in the current human population, but it’s more heavily skewed toward the Y chromosome than we’d expect if equal pairing was true. This suggests a higher proportion of successful male neanderthal/female human offspring.
Second, mitochondrial DNA. While genomic DNA in a sexually-reproducing species is a mix between the parents, in most species the inherited mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is purely maternal. This is because only the egg’s mitochondria typically survive, though on rare occasion paternal mitochondria are also passed on. There is no known existent neanderthal mtDNA in the human population. This suggests either female neanderthal/male human crosses didn’t happen much and/or didn’t often produce offspring capable of further reproduction.
Of course, there are many other explanations for all of these. These are just amongst the simplest possible options, and in population genetics, it’s not uncommon that the simplest answers are frequently correct.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 day ago
a paper came out recently. it’s also possible that male humans and female neanderthals made non viable babies.
The_v@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
There is a few different potential reasons as well as sexual preference.
Genetic incompatibility - the interspecific cross could only occur one way.
Genetic bottlenecks in the neandertal lineage. A high inbred coefficient could have decreased the neandertal females overall fertility (high deleterious alleles load). This could also cause a rapid reduction in the percentage of neandertal DNA in a mixed population.
Maternal behavior - Neandertals females might not have cared for hybrid offspring appropriately. This could be for anything from milk production requirements to differences in physiological developmental rates.
FreshLight@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 day ago
FosterMolasses@leminal.space 6 hours ago
This is a fantastic thread, I love this meme sub
thatradomguy@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Did they have bigger
dicksor something?thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 hours ago
self censoring? on the libre internet? heresy
Vespair@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
You’re allowed to say dick on the internet
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
ulterno@programming.dev 2 hours ago
You are also allowed to say
dickif you feel like.
No idea how you pronounce that though.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 7 hours ago
*dicks
lessthanluigi@lemmy.sdf.org 3 hours ago
self censoring is based, don’t listen to these fools suppressing your free speech on censoring yourself for your own personal reasons
toofpic@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Check out Beforeigners - there is some prehistoric romance atuff there:
www.imdb.com/title/tt8332130/
(and the series are generally interesting)andybytes@programming.dev 9 hours ago
Hey did you know age verification is coming to Linux? Gonna basically be spyware for those who bomb little girls in schools.
BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 9 hours ago
Wtf
romanticremedy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 hours ago
Context?
lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
I don’t get it either. Is the model labelled neanderthal known for acting like a neanderthal?
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 hours ago
There was study that determined that the remnant neanderthal DNA in humans mostly came from neaderthal male and human female pairings and not the other way around.
As others have pointed out in the comments that’s not really proving that the other pairings didn’t happen as often or even more often, there could be fertility issues with the opposite pairing and a whole host of other factors.