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Motorola confirms GrapheneOS support for a future phone, bringing over features
Submitted 14 hours ago by baatliwala@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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arc99@lemmy.world 59 minutes ago
Fiery@lemmy.dbzer0.com 50 minutes ago
Just because criminals value their privacy doesn’t mean that everyone that values their privacy is a criminal.
Akasazh@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Any non Google phone running graphene would be epic.
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 hours ago
Having a vendor explicitly supporting it…epic is an understatement.
pdxfed@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
I had completely forgotten Lenovo bought Motorola from Google some 10 years ago. Honestly haven’t seen a Motorola phone in at least that long …
imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 hours ago
Been using motorola for a long time. I bought Moto Z in 2016 and it booted with “Motorola company” text in the end of the boot video. After Lenovo acquisition, phone updated and video now said “Motorola, a Lenovo company”.
Thankfully, Motorola haven’t entshittified over these years. Still a solid phone. Almost no bloat.
Mwa@thelemmy.club 8 hours ago
maybe just maybe my next phone will be a Motorola!
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 7 hours ago
My last few phones have been Motorolas and I’ve been very very happy with them.
My only issue was that back then, I wasn’t really paying attention to alternative OSs like Graphene, Lineage or e/os and was therefore not really too concerned with ROM support/chip set. When I switched over to e/os, two of my Motorola’s (including the one I WANT to use with it) has no ROM support because it’s running a Mediatek chipset. So I’m using my second to last one while my nice new one collects dust.
Moving forward I’ll be paying more attention to Qualcomm vs Mediatek.
Mwa@thelemmy.club 7 hours ago
yeah i might focus on Android phones that have Good ROM/ support
i think their graphene OS powered phone will have bootloader unlocking.i hope Google does not take away Sideloading. (but i think graphene returns it)
Scrollone@feddit.it 4 hours ago
Me too. I’ve always bought Google Pixels but I don’t want to give Google my money anymore.
So I’ll probably buy a Motorola if this deal gets through.
ninjascum@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
What phone do you use now?
texture@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
i bought a mororolla 3 years ago and it still lasts 2 days on a charge. id say go for it.
Mwa@thelemmy.club 7 hours ago
i gotta see first if Motorola/Lenovo will actually ship graphene OS and other factors.
they dont sound like bad phones and even better with this collab
Luminous5481@anarchist.nexus 10 hours ago
This is great news. While I still think we should make a push towards Linux phones being mainstream so that we don’t keep this duopoly on OSes, it’s nice to know that at least one manufacturer is currently defying googles obvious goal of suppressing third party ROMs and marketplaces.
njordomir@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Thanks for the reality check. While this a good development, I share your concern and we should not stop,or even slow, developing any fully free as in freedom OS. I tried PostmarketOS on an old Oneplus 6T recently and I estimate we have one or two more phone replacement cycles until I think it’ll be ready for me to switch.
punkibas@lemmy.zip 8 minutes ago
I have a 6T and was thinking about getting postmarketos on it, what didn’t work for you? Which “desktop” did you choose for it? there’s like 5 options for that and I really have no idea what to do.
Eximius@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Volla phone (has choice between ubuntu touch and android rom) seems pretty cool.
arcine@jlai.lu 6 hours ago
Well, fuck. I really hoped they would pick FairPhone. Motorola is… Okay. I guess they made the Nexus 5 ; which was one of the best phones ever.
I hope they make a SMALL one, I am so tired of this GIGANTIC pixel 9.
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Fairphone isn’t available everywhere while Motorola is. It’s pretty easy to understand why they chose them.
Octagon9561@lemmy.ml 5 hours ago
That’s not the reason, the real reason is Fairphone doesn’t take security seriously. The GrapheneOS devs have called them out numerous times on that.
7101334@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Motorola gets a little bit of love from me because they were (maybe still are?) the only ones who allowed me to shout “COMRADE MOTO!” to wake my phone up
I will not say “Hey Google” in a million years. I refuse.
InfiniteStruggle@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
SOVIET ANTHEM PLAYS IN THE BACKGROUND
Sturgist@lemmy.ca 4 hours ago
That’s definitely worth a fair few points. Always rubbed me the wrong way that you couldn’t change it to whatever you wanted.
Switchy85@sh.itjust.works 1 hour ago
I think LG made the Nexus 5, though.
militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
I always thought Pixel was the platform to have for fucking around with the OS and stuff. Of fucking course I was an idiot.
QuandaleDingle@lemmy.world 26 minutes ago
“Embrace, Extend, Extinguish”. When have they ever done otherwise.
Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 5 hours ago
My biggest concern is the life cycle of the device. I almost went with Motorola for my last phone, but saw that you were lucky to get 3 years of OS updates. Is that likely to be better on GrapheneOS? If so, that is a huge win imo. If not, it still isn’t ideal because I don’t want to have to buy a new phone every 2 years…
huggingstars@programming.dev 2 hours ago
GrapheneOS was claiming 5-year support IIRC. Apple level support is infeasible with their team size. Qualcomm probably charges super premium for longer firmware support.
Luffy879@lemmy.ml 3 hours ago
Reading the original press release might be a good Start
Their Thinkphones pretty much always had good update policy
Almost like you can really sell a 100€ device and expect it to be optimised like a mid range
LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Why do you think they are $300-500? I don’t care about “only” 3 years of updates if i don’t have to spend $1300 on a friggin cellphone.
Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 1 hour ago
I mean, I sort of get what you are saying but it also feels like Grimes’s boots thing from Terry Pratchet. Like, I can spend $200- $300 and get a phone that will stop getting security updates in 2-3 years… Or I can spend $700-$1000 to get a phone that comes with 7-10 years of security updates. Money per year, you are the same or better off if you can afford the up-front cost of the more expensive product, and we are generating a lot less techno-garbage clogging up the planet.
Generally, I hate the hard limit of use of these things. Coming from desktop computers, if you spend more money the machine is faster, but if you don’t need the speed you can use the cheap machine just as long (or longer if you really don’t need performance). All phones feel like they are just a subscription model.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
but saw that you were lucky to get 3 years of OS updates.
fucking great, less enshittification when they stop shoving the updates down your throat.
Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 4 hours ago
Yea, except you aren’t getting security updates either… Basically anything connected to the internet should be getting security updates…
ProfThadBach@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
The reason I got my ZFold5 was I like the fact that it could open up and give me a larger area to view and bigger keyboard. I have gotten the biggest phone I could get for the last 15 years or so because I have a hard time seeing the tiny screens. I would be happen to switch to a new OS but my old ass needs a bigger screen.
clubb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 hours ago
militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Oh geez. I bet thats expensive
Joelk111@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Can’t you get data on some tablets? Sounds like that’s what they need!
user224@lemmy.sdf.org 11 hours ago
If I can get GrapheneOS + headphone jack + SD card slot, I am in.
bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 6 hours ago
I’d really like a removable battery as well.
fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 10 hours ago
I’d add “less than 15cm tall” too. I’ve had enough of stupid giant phones that don’t fit in pockets and where you can’t even reach the top or other side with your thumb.
morto@piefed.social 7 hours ago
That would be like a dream come true. I’m about to become excluded from mobile technology as my phone seems to be starting to present hardware failures, and I can’t stand to use large ones.
LunaChocken@programming.dev 9 hours ago
SD slot would be great. Fuck every major company getting rid of it, so you have to use their cloud provider.
fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 4 hours ago
I didn’t even realise “no SD card” was an option.
observantTrapezium@lemmy.ca 10 hours ago
+1 for the headphone jack
chicocheco@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
They spotted an opportunity
LincolnsDogFido@lemmy.zip 9 hours ago
Good. Now if only they could make the Edge+ with the same relative spec sheet and ditch the curved glass in 2027. I’d buy it in a heartbeat for Graphene. My next phone WAS going to be a Pixel for the broader case/screen protector support, but that would make me reconsider cause I would really miss the chop chop flashlight.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 hours ago
Android seems intent on creating a huge market for this. Chef’s kiss!
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 8 hours ago
I actually bought a new Motorola phone 2 months ago precisely because i wanted a phone with an unlockable bootloader, and motorola delivered that.
Vote with your wallet.
Guilvareux@feddit.uk 7 hours ago
Just wanted to echo the vote with your wallet sentiment. It’s the only power we have!
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
I once bought a Motorola one phone because it would have quick and lengthy updates. Motorola certainly didn’t provide that.
Other than that it was a decent phone.
zingo@sh.itjust.works 6 hours ago
All my phones have been Motorola, the first one was the Moto X - OG !
Very well built and great batteries. Quality phone with close to stock UI for a snappy experience.
Only negatives were updates and cameras. Both are much better these days.
Especially now with an upcoming OS alternative!
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
I’ll second this, me and the wife keep breaking or losing phones and have gone for cheap motorolas as replacements. Doesn’t have much bloatware, and can be easily purged.
bokherif@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Moto X4 was an amazing phone, I hope they bring back smaller phones, I don’t want to use a tablet.
user28282912@piefed.social 4 hours ago
Rooster326@programming.dev 4 hours ago
Who do you want them to partner with exactly?
clif@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
I recently picked up a 2024 model moto g power 5g. The main reason is that I needed the cheapest smart phone I could find locally to test a new provider (phreeli) before committing. That, and to serve as a ready backup if one of ours dies. $115 at a big box store.
It’s… fine. Even after debloating I get about half the battery life of my galaxy s20 which is now 5 years old. I haven’t been able to figure out what’s eating it, or maybe it just has a smaller battery… I should check that.
100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 9 hours ago
Motorola is a major supplier of communication equipment for the IDF and produces bomb fuses used in IDF’s bombs. It also donated money to Project 2025.
GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Motorola Mobility was spun off from Motorola in 2012 and sold to Google. Then Google sold it in 2014 to Lenovo, the Chinese company.
Original Motorola, renamed Motorola Solutions, retained the rights to the Motorola name in everything except cell phones, and continued to manufacture radio and communications equipment and other signal processing equipment (including stuff like cable TV boxes). They remain a major contractor for militaries, law enforcement, and fire/EMS emergency responders.
If we’re talking about Motorola cell phones, we’re talking about the Chinese owned company, not the American owned company.
Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 8 hours ago
Oh man I never realized there was a separate non-phone Motorola company that remained where it was. Thanks for the explanation.
100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 7 hours ago
Thank you for educating me.
Now I can simply not buy their devices because they suck.
MrSoup@lemmy.zip 9 hours ago
That’s another Motorola. The one making phone is Lenovo who bought the brand to put it on phones.
4am@lemmy.zip 8 hours ago
The same Lenovo that got caught using rootkits to keep their software installed on PCs? zdnet.com/…/lenovo-rootkit-ensured-its-software-c…
MrSoup@lemmy.zip 4 hours ago
The good one is the one shipping Google spyware and not updating their devices.
The funny part is that’s actually the least bad thing they’ve done.
angelmountain@lemy.nl 14 hours ago
But how are they going to include useless “uninstallable” apps and advertisements?
MrSoup@lemmy.zip 9 hours ago
a future smartphone to have GrapheneOS pre-installed
I’ll not trust Lenovo (Motorola is Lenovo) preinstalling stuff on my phone. They’ve already ship Windows laptop with literally malware and backdoors (even in UEFI, so persistent across format) preinstalled.
I will rather install it myself.
trewq@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
I’ll buy if decent specs and price good
brokenwing@discuss.tchncs.de 11 hours ago
Fucking finally. Please be a Qualcomm chip.
jeena@piefed.jeena.net 13 hours ago
Something like that is what I’ve been waiting for a long time for. Really looking forward to it.
GMac@feddit.org 14 hours ago
Moto flip phone with GOS? sign me up. Should not have to choose between form factor and operating system.
wavebeam@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
I tried to switch from iPhone to Pixel 10 Pro Fold with GrapheneOS, but I needed RCS to work. Unfortunately, even installing Google Messages and allowing it permissions wouldn’t allow RCS to work for more than 36 hours before I had to go through the whole install and allow process again. I would be willing to cut off all Google services, even banking apps and whatnot, but I need RCS to work. I’m unfortunately an American and cannot reliably expect my friends and family to use an app other than iMessage to text, so I need RCS.
Will Motorola provide some GrapheneOS compatible RCS client? If so, I am likely to switch.
carrylex@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
How I imagine the decision:
Should we maybe port it to Fairphone? The phone moat of our users probably like?
Nah let’s do Motorola instead - you know the company were you have to spin a dice to determine if your device can unlock the bootloader or not…
rainbowbunny@slrpnk.net 7 hours ago
Anyone have a wild guesstimate on when this will be available?
mrnobody@reddthat.com 12 hours ago
Damn. Missed opportunity for OnePlus. I know their phasing out phones but I was going that was in favor of GOS. I really want an IR Blaster still (｡╯︵╰｡)
Schmerzbold@feddit.org 9 hours ago
Can it please be somewhat affordable? Privacy as a feature should be accessible to everyone.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 8 hours ago
Will it have a headphone jack and sd slot
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Feature, like shake shake for torch?
Infernal_pizza@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 hour ago
Let’s see if it gets released before GrapheneOS and unlockable bootloader get outlawed
kalpol@lemmy.ca 30 minutes ago
OEM, they can lock the bootloader. So at least there’s that