Guess I know which brand my next smartphone upgrade will be.
If they did some nice 7" tablets too, that would be perfect.
Motorola confirms GrapheneOS support for a future phone, bringing over features
Submitted 2 months ago by baatliwala@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
jj4211@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Lenovo/Moto is weird about that… The android phones and android tablets have next to nothing to do with each other.
I do have a couple of their tablets and like them well enough, but you might as well consider them an entirely different vendor versus the Moto phone part of the business.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Well that’s a shame.
I’ve been looking around for a replacement to my aged Samsung A6 (which has been given an extended life by replacing the factory ROM with something with less bloatware, but is still pretty limited in terms of memory) which is not a Surveillance Outpost for just who knows how many nations and just about any companies willing to pay the 3 cents of whatever for the data, and all the Linux and degoogled Android makers only have 10"+ ones, which are too big for my use case which carry a tablet on a coat or trousers back pocket when I’m going to be sitting down somewhere and waiting for something so that I can read books and maybe browse the internet on their free WiFi.
Personally I would LOOOVE a small Linux tablet, but I’m OK with some kind of privacy respecting Android which isn’t riddled with backdoors mandated by governments which have Information Courts issuing Secret Bulk Information Collecting Orders, like the US and the UK.
militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I always thought Pixel was the platform to have for fucking around with the OS and stuff. Of fucking course I was an idiot.
QuandaleDingle@lemmy.world 1 month ago
“Embrace, Extend, Extinguish”. When have they ever done otherwise.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Point of order: That was Microsoft rather than Google.
new_world_odor@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Don’t be too hard on yourself, they definitely put money and effort into influencing opinions in all the subversive ways they can manage. But also, let this be a lesson to always check alternatives and their reason for existing. I consider it part of best practices.
ProfThadBach@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The reason I got my ZFold5 was I like the fact that it could open up and give me a larger area to view and bigger keyboard. I have gotten the biggest phone I could get for the last 15 years or so because I have a hard time seeing the tiny screens. I would be happen to switch to a new OS but my old ass needs a bigger screen.
girsaysdoom@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
QuandaleDingle@lemmy.world 1 month ago
My next phone for that reason. Oh, and it’s bendy. XD
clubb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Oh geez. I bet thats expensive
Joelk111@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Can’t you get data on some tablets? Sounds like that’s what they need!
carrylex@lemmy.world 1 month ago
How I imagine the decision:
Should we maybe port it to Fairphone? The phone moat of our users probably like?
Nah let’s do Motorola instead - you know the company were you have to spin a dice to determine if your device can unlock the bootloader or not…
Auth@lemmy.world 1 month ago
fair phone lacks the hardware security to run fully featured grapheneOS. Other than that it does work on fairphone.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 month ago
It’s not that FairPhone can’t run it. It’s that Graphene OS team doesn’t want people to run it on other phones. Their reasoning is that if people run Graphene OS on less secure hardware and get hacked it will damage the brand.
rainbowbunny@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
Anyone have a wild guesstimate on when this will be available?
Kuma@lemmy.world 1 month ago
If it wasn’t because of this
As it stands today, GrapheneOS is exclusively available on Google Pixel devices. Whatever device Motorola is building with GrapheneOS, it’s beyond even the Motorola Signature’s specs, which is currently the “flagship” in Motorola’s lineup, as even that doesn’t meet the needed requirements.
I thought first maybe one year, but that statement made me very sceptical if that is possible.
GarboDog@lemmy.world 2 months ago
When the phone comes out lol /joking
Fr tho i think they reveal new phones every April? So if not April this year then April of next year.
superglue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Looks like my next phone is going to be a Motorola. Having been on Graphene for 2 years now, I can’t go back. My wife is still on stock and its cringe for me now.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2 months ago
Just bought a Motorola because it was the best price of the 3 phones I found that had most of the features I wanted. This makes me feel better about that purchase. I’m also pretty happy with the phone so far.
HaustierElch@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Very interesting, I’ll keep an eye on Motorola phones. Not that I need a new one anytime soon, but still that’s the kind of thing that could be refreshing to read news about.
rook@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Great play, Motorola. And I’m not even against it. Take my money.!
HaunchesTV@feddit.uk 2 months ago
Presumably it’s only a matter of time before Google takes the ‘OS’ out of AOSP and tells all non-approved partners to go kick rocks.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Seems like a good move. They need some market they can dominate, even if it’s a small market at the moment. But, the only way this works is if we buy their phones. I wish them luck, and maybe they’ll make my next phone. I want to get out of Apple and Google.
Dazed_Confused@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Please make it 6"-6.3"
bravesilvernest@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
No no lol smaller dammit
ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
A larger and a smaller model would probably be ideal, if only one is made the larger on will likely have the biggest market success.
Personally i would also like the larger model as my phone is my primary computer for daily life. A 4"-5" screen would suck ass for this.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Feature, like shake shake for torch?
HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Had that on my Moto G Plus 5G (which is a shit name btw), as well as twisty-wrist for camera.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I think they pretty much all have it, they’re great shortcuts.
gigachad@piefed.social 2 months ago
It’s really great news. I hope so much that they don’t limit this to the flag ships. we already have expensive phones by Google. Most people I know that care for privacy including myself don’t want to play ego shooters on their mobile. We want a reliable device that is secure and can do the basic things.
0x0@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Can someone ELI5 me what’s so special about Google’s SoCs that no other manufacturer could do (preferably citing sources not involved)?
I still find it weird that a major manufacturer would bother with a ROM.IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Being able to lock the bootloader with custom keys. Major OEMs do not want people to bypass their backdoors. Google signalled they will shift away from it too so Motorola is a welcome addition
MrSulu@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
“Hello Moto” (iust my first, unfiltered thought)
qualia@lemmy.world 1 month ago
What’s the likelihood that Motorola will eventually lock down GrapheneOS though? Imho it’d be a bad move if they did. The FOSS mobile OS community has matured to the point that we don’t need to rely on for-profit monoliths any more. Motorola would be smart to lead the way to where the mobile device economy will be.
darkmogool@feddit.org 1 month ago
matured to the point that we don’t need to rely on for-profit monoliths any more
Which phones are we using for Graphene OS at the moment? Ah, yeah… Google… well known for its non-profit behaviour… I say: Give me alternatives which we aren’t to try to get rid of in the first place.
qualia@lemmy.world 1 month ago
See: PinePhone (Ubuntu Touch, postmarketOS) for $149-199 via their intl site: pine64.org.
OR
SF’s Librem 5 (PureOS, plus Ubuntu Touch, postmarketOS) for ~$700 via puri.sm.
Both shippable to the US. They’re unpolished OSs and expect delays, but they do exist. The competition will only increase going forward.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 month ago
How would Motorola lock it down? They don’t control it in any way.
qualia@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Oh snap, I misread it as Motorola bought GrapheneOS! This is way better news than I realized! Thx for the clarification. 🫡
Edit: On reflection can FOSS even be bought since it doesn’t have an owner to pay? I’m caught up now.
dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
GrapheneOS is open source, Motorola - just like anyone else - can make changes to it before they install it on their devices.
bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Wait not like that!
I want Graphene but with none of the Moto features.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
How would you compare that to the fairphone?
ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Two entirely different philosophies. Depends on what is most important to you.
illi@piefed.social 2 months ago
How I see it:
Fairphone focuses on sustainability and modularity, with degoogled OS options.
Graphene focuses on security and privacy. Degoogled out of the box.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Thanks!
freeman@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Motorola is based in a freedom respecting country not the EU so certainly they won’t get compromised by the hardware.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Lol
workgood@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
great
arc99@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Trying to capture the street criminal demographic
Fiery@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Just because criminals value their privacy doesn’t mean that everyone that values their privacy is a criminal.
arc99@lemmy.world 1 month ago
No but the people using GrapheneOS by and large are.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Today’s peaceful protester is tomorrow’s criminal.
(Because even peaceful protests will become outlawed)
clif@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I recently picked up a 2024 model moto g power 5g. The main reason is that I needed the cheapest smart phone I could find locally to test a new provider (phreeli) before committing. That, and to serve as a ready backup if one of ours dies. $115 at a big box store.
It’s… fine. Even after debloating I get about half the battery life of my galaxy s20 which is now 5 years old. I haven’t been able to figure out what’s eating it, or maybe it just has a smaller battery… I should check that.
sommerset@thelemmy.club 1 month ago
Oki. I’ll wait then. Was gonna get OnePlus 15 but but features is so meh - just pushing ai and I’m not interested
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razen@lemmy.world 1 month ago
How will they be able tackle the play integrity checks and all those things?
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 month ago
Who? Grapahen OS? The same way they do now I guess. Nothing changes for the OS. It’s the hardware that needs to fulfill some extra requirements for Graphene OS team to support it.
razen@lemmy.world 1 month ago
But some apps dont work, so motorola will have to exclusively say that these banking apps, or gpay will not work, or they will have a dolution for this?
jobbies@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Isn’t Motorola basically Chinese?
thatsnothowyoudoit@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
It is owned by Lenovo, make of that what you will.
Google is also basically American. Make of that what you will.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
I don’t need two data siphons on my phone draining battery /j :p
dynamoMaus@feddit.org 2 months ago
I want the full stack lenovo linux compatibility. Motorola for phones, lenovo for everything else.
RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
So what if it is? Replace the stock OS with GrapheneOS and it doesn’t matter who manufactures the phone.
BrilliantantTurd4361@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Except we know hardware backdoors are a thing.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
theoretically you should be right but there’s software hidden in the hardware that you can’t uninstall or modify that could (hypothetically) be surveilling you. like in the networking equipment that’s inside the phone.
realistically, i think the chances for that happening are actually very low, also because the networking firmware could only see your encrypted data packets, but it could still figure out the IP addresses that you communicate with. i’d rate it a none/low risk level.
Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Better than the alternatives at this rate, unless there is an EU alternative.
KryptonNerd@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
Fairphone, Nothing, or Shift would have been my preferred options. But anything non Google is a plus.