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Humans' behavior about LLMs is the same as animals with a mirror: they believe there is "another" in there. It's just their reflexion

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Submitted ⁨⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨certified_expert@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨showerthoughts@lemmy.world⁩

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  • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨48⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Huh…so what you’re saying is that mirrors are actually AI.

    THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE!!! EVERYBODY COVER YOUR MIRRORS!!!

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  • minnow@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The mirror test is frequently cited as a means of testing sentience.

    OP I think you hit the nail on the head.

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    • Aerosol3215@piefed.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Based on the fact that most people don’t see their interaction with the LLM as gazing into the mirror, am I being led to believe that most people are not sentient???

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      • Zorque@lemmy.world ⁨52⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        Based entirely on the opinions of people on niche social media platforms, yes.

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  • schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Except it’s not my reflection, it’s a reflection of millions if not billions of humans.

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    • Carnelian@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Except it’s not their reflection, it’s a string of phrases presented to you based partly on the commonality of similar phrases appearing next to one another in the training data, and partly on mysterious black box modifications! Fun!

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    • ameancow@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I like to describe it as a “force multiplier” along the lines of a powered suit.

      You are putting in small inputs, and it’s echoing out in a vast, vast virtual space and being compared and connected with countless billions of possible associations. What you get back is a kind of amplification of what you put in. If you make even remotely leading suggestions in your question or prompt, that tiny suggestion is also going to get massively boosted in the background, this is part of why some LLM’s can go off the rails with some users. If you don’t take care with what exactly you’re putting in, you will get wildly unexpected results.

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  • Sunschein@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    image

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    • SchwertImStein@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Annihilation?

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  • callyral@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Related: is there a name for “question bias”?

    Like asking ChatGPT if “is x good?”, and it would reply “Yes, x is good.” but if you ask “is x bad?” it would reply “Yes, x is bad, you’re right.”

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    • TheOctonaut@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It’s just a leading question.

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      • yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨44⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        It is not a leading question. The answer just happens to be meaningless.

        Asking whether something is good is the vast majority of human concern.

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  • ameancow@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Not nearly enough people understand this about our current models of AI. Even people who think they understand AI don’t understand this, usually because they have been talking to themselves a lot without realizing it.

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  • truthfultemporarily@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Just think about the fact llms are basically trying to simulate reddit posts and then think again about using them.

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  • Supervisor194@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    False. My reflection can’t tell me that pressing the Steam button and X will bring up the keyboard on Steam Deck’s desktop mode.

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    • lennee@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      pressing and holding the steam button tells u every steam shortcut

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  • GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I checked with that other gorilla who lives in the bathroom and he says you’re wrong

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    • certified_expert@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      lol, Is that the same gorilla that you see in other bathrooms? Or (like me) you meet a new gorilla every time you wash your hands?

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      • GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I think he’s the same guy. I used to try to bust him up but he just kept multiplying into more pieces and then coming back whole every time I saw a new mirror, so I eventually gave up

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  • lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This is a great one - although I never see animals worshipping the mirror.

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    • Rippin_Farts_And_Or_Breaking_Hearts@lemmy.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’ve got a duck that prefers to dance in front of a chrome bumper or glass door where he can see his reflection than to go after any potential mates. Possibly he’s worshipping the mirror. Possibly he’s just really vain.

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      • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Sounds like he’s ducking handsome

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      • lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Nothing wrong with a handsome duck taking a little self affirmation time - he knows his value, he can’t look away.

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    • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Or forming romantic attachments to the mirror

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      • Wilco@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        Uhmm … you never had a pet bird Im guessing?

        Seeing all bird masturbate up against a mirror is just par for the course when you have bird pets. Its gonna be either a mirror, a favorite toy … or you.

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      • ameancow@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Animals aren’t cursed with the human ability to think our way into harmful and unproductive behavior due to conscious re-interpretation of information around us. Except for occasional zoo-animals that fall in love with inanimate objects.

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      • lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        Ooofff… Good call

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    • Hux@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I love the idea of a bunch of woodland creatures (completely unaware of what mirrors are) investing heavily—and aggressively—in mirrors and mirror-related technology.

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      • lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Squirrels (lemmings) pooling all of their nuts at the alter, lol.

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  • lost_faith@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    And here I am practising my smile in the mirror (like that golden retriever)

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  • lemmie689@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    My dog doesn’t pay any attention to mirrors, or llms.

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  • CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I find this kind of Anti AI Sentience bigotry horrible!

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    • certified_expert@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Interesting take. Could you elaborate?

      My post comes from the study of the algebra and stats that enable LLMs (well, part of it. i am not done with the “attention”.

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      • CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I was making a joke based on my username

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  • woop_woop@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    If I understand your statement correctly, only the most intelligent creatures would understand that LLM’s are themselves?

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    • certified_expert@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      But they are a reflexion of ourselves. If you look at the algebra and stats underneath, you’ll realize that they spit out whatever it is in us

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  • flandish@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    the “mirror stage” by lacan is worth looking into here but no, I don’t think humans automatically think the llm has a sort of reified other, but as we get past an uncanny valley and into generations growing up with entire personal histories in an llm - I can absolutely see that happening.

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