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Flock CEO calls Deflock a “terrorist organization”

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Submitted ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Beep@lemmus.org⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46903556

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  • KoboldCoterie@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The word ‘terrorist’ has lost all meaning at this point.

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    • otter@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I had to double-check what Deflock was for:

      DeFlock’s mission is simple: to shine a light on the widespread use of ALPR technology, raise awareness about the threats it poses to personal privacy and civil liberties, and empower the public to take action.

      This app makes it easy to view and report AI powered surveillance cameras, automatic license plate readers (ALPRs), and other surveillance infrastructure near you.

      Sharing information about where cameras are located is terrorism now?

      🙄

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      • ozoned@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Careful! I think logic and questions are the new terrorist things to do! Oooo scarey!

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      • Damage@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Shit from the title I thought they were going around smashing the cameras and that it was an exaggeration, but I was clearly wrong on the scale

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    • sorghum@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This is just a play out of the rules for radicals playbook: accuse others of what you are doing.

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      • Maeve@kbin.earth ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        DARVO

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    • defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It lost all meaning the second Bush declared the “War on Terror”.

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    • FauxLiving@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It means ‘Enemy of the rich’ now

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    • chisel@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s partly the point. Use words that accurately describe your evil group to incorrectly describe other groups and all of a sudden the words lose meaning and nobody can call you that anymore. Hooray!

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    • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It never had any meaning. Reagan had them redefine it in a way that didn’t implicate America.

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    • Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      In the UK the term is defined by the government as anyone who is deemed by the government a threat to the government or the people or someone’s property or the predominant local religion. But recently it’s been exclusively used for the first one. In this country state law is valued higher than corporate, moral, ethical and religious laws, so YMMV

      Introduction
The Terrorism Act 2006 uses the definition of terrorism contained in the Terrorism Act 2000. Section 34 amends that definition slightly, to include specific types of actions against international governmental organisations, such as the UN. The definition in the Terrorism Act 2000 (as amended) states:

1. (1) In this Act “terrorism” means the use or threat of action where:
2. the action falls within subsection (2)
3. the use or threat is designed to influence the government or an international governmental organisation or to intimidate the public or a section of the public
4. the use or threat is made for the purpose of advancing a political, religious or ideological cause.  

(2) Action falls within this subsection if it:

1. involves serious violence against a person
2. involves serious damage to property
3. endangers a person’s life, other than that of the person committing the action
4. creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public
5. is designed seriously to interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system

Section 1(3) to (5) goes on to expand on the effect and extent of this definition.

      Link

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      • tabular@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        In the UK it means the cop wants your ID and is willing to pretend your camera is a gun to get it.

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      • hector@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It’s so broad, they can accuse anyone of it, and that’s the point. Both parties have long supported these over broad laws too, because they are not on our side, they want the ability to bring the power of the state on the heads of any groups that might not be breaking the law in a way any reasonable person would condemn but still scare those aritstocrats.

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    • phutatorius@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It means “me no like.”

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    • hector@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It never had meaning. To instill deep fear. Doing violent acts with the purpose of achieving a political end.

      It’s always been super broad and just waiting for a domestic party to adopt the tactics of Israel’s occupied territories here in the US, that’s where this was always heading.

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  • grue@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Flock is a terrorist organization.

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    • snooggums@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Flock is a state sponsored terrorist organization.

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  • dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “Everything I don’t like is terrorism.”

    What is this, 2001 again?

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    • floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Did it ever stop?

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      • XLE@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It’s accelerated: In 2001, technology companies were forced to collect user data and realized it could be a goldmine. Today, technology companies are being forced to collect people’s IDs… I’m sure this will end up just fine.

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    • hector@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Spoken like an antifa, uh, 3 star general. Get him boys! /s The future is a lot dumber than we might have thought.

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      • dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Hey, man. I am four stars at least.

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  • Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Feeling the need to state “they are closer to Antifa than anything else” might get you thinking…

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    • NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      So… Flock have literally described themselves as fascist…

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      • snooggums@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Their self description fits their actions.

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    • axh@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Their what?

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  • FauxLiving@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Since Flock CEO wants to give this movement some press

    Here’s Benn Jordan, he’s done a series of videos on the cameras, demonstrates their vulnerabilities, and talks about how Flock has been deploying secretly by co-opting local municipalities to subsidize their national rollout.

    First video, the one seems to have started the major anti-Flock push: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp9MwZkHiMQ

    Follow-up showing how easy they are to hack: www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB0gr7Fh6lY

    More live demonstrated vulnerabilities: www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU1-uiUlHTo

    Not as directly related, but he discusses a way to use generative AI models to create noise masks for your specific plate that will disrupt the OCR process that ALPRs use. (Key term: Adversarial Noise) www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_F4rEaRduk

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    • topherclay@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This guy is the coolest type of hacker.

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    • electric_nan@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKr3Acrovio

      This dude also has some solid videos on flock (and other things). Everyone should know that cities and towns are kicking flock out left and right. Use this momentum to organize against them in your town too!

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  • jjlinux@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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    Can someone explain how this makes any sense? They were ordered legally to deactivate and remove, unilaterally decide to put them back up and reactivate, the authorities (whomever those are) resort to covering them instead of removing and destroying them because “removing them is illegal”?

    What the actual fuck is this?

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    • 7101334@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      My guess (emphasis “guess”) is either some contractual bullshit or a result of state law superseding local law.

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      • chiliedogg@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        This is why when my city installed them (with a 3-2 vote from Council) they required them to all be installed in the Right-of-Way, which gives the city more authority to remove them if the contract is terminated (which it likely will be soon).

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    • nforminvasion@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Fascism. The only thing that matters is power and deception.

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  • blitzen@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I used deflock to look for cameras around me; I CANNOT leave my city limits by car without passing by a Flock camera.

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    • Anonymouse@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Same for me. In addition to deflock.me and haveibeenflocked.com, are there any community resource sites for finding others in the same city that would be willing to start pushing on the city to cancel their contract?

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    • TrollTrollrolllol@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      My city is one of the few in my county that doesn’t have a contract with flock, but the county was nice enough to put them up around town anyway.

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      • blitzen@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Is there a resource to find out who has contracts with Flock?

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    • aesthelete@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      A question to nobody in particular: would it be possible to make a license plate cover that is made out of the same material as those anti-facial recognition glasses?

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      • douglasg14b@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It’s not just license plate readers anymore. They have cameras that perform facial recognition and other identifying recognition.

        Your car is in many ways uniquely identifiable by its markings and its model that vehicle with many pictures of it and that license plate are already in a database. If you have stickers, if you have big dents or additions and changes from the base model of your vehicle than you are quite identifiable within a particular geographical area depending on the urban density.

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      • blitzen@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        There’s YouTube video out there, the name escapes at the moment, where he figures out how to basically insert “noise” over his license plate that can lead to flock cameras not recognizing it. Fascinating stuff.

        Two big issues IMO. 1) maybe it fools cameras now, but who knows if it continues to. 2) it’s illegal to cover your plate, probably doubly with the intent to obfuscate. My solution is bike rack. “Oops, didn’t meant to cover my plate” is good plausible deniability.

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  • obvs@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Flock cameras need to be banned, and the ones that are left should absolutely be destroyed. There is no excuse for having these things in communities.

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    • MangoCats@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I believe the collection of the information is inevitable. What I would push for instead of driving them to make the cameras and databases more clandestine than they already are is for the information that they collect to be made openly available to all.

      As things are, it’s a very asymmetrical power tool for the advantage of the (government) operators.

      When ALL the information is available to everyone, we can talk about where the cameras do and do not need to be. And any unapproved cameras can be suppressed as evidence against private individuals.

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      • Semester3383@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        That’s like saying that it’s inevitable that murder and rape will happen.

        Just because someone is going to do it eventually doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t have the death penalty for doing it.

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  • NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Does he care to explain why they leave town when cities or states simply tell them that all the data they collect becomes public domain?

    Oh, so they aren’t providing a public service, the only thing they care about is selling my data and keeping it secret.

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  • ozoned@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So we’ve moved on from Woke finally and just calling everything terrorist now? At least I won’t have to ask everyone saying “everything is so woke now” to define woke and watch them sputter.

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    • snooggums@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That will just be replaced with asking them to define terrorism and watching them sputter.

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  • Smaile@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Notice how a lot of these servailence CEO often come across as quite skittish and oddly concerned about what other are doing while obvuscating their own actions, kind of reminds me of a someone I used to know with diegnosed parinoid…

    Just sayin…

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  • TORFdot0@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Funny because I consider Flock a terrorist organization

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  • lechekaflan@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    He can go fuck himself.

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  • cabbage@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This guy couldn’t sound more fascist if he broke into German 1930s marching songs. This video should be used in education.

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  • ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Flock is a terrorist organization.

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  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    flock feeding the videos to palintir calling people a terrorist orgniazation

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  • ShittDickk@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Terrorist calls man stopping their terror a terrorist.

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  • nialv7@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    good, terrifying CEOs is the right thing to do.

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  • douglasg14b@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s always projection with Republicans

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    • Jackhammer_Joe@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes. Always.

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  • whitecollarcry@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    exhibit of a word without meaning

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  • Reygle@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I think FLOCK is a terrorist organizaion

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  • Somecall_metim@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “Anything/anyone that cuts into my profits are terrorists.”

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  • W3dd1e@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I thought their CEO was a 15 year old boy.

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  • carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Wonder if their CEO finally stopped responding to hacker news threads or if he’s still in there getting dunked on.

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  • Sam_Bass@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah anything or anyone that starves the greed disease is a terrorist. Shame that greed is only terminal for the victims of it and not the carriers

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  • fiat_lux@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s a wonder people haven’t started throwing water balloons filled with mud and flour at the cameras. Perhaps he should be grateful that’s not a trend?

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    • phutatorius@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think a drone with a remotely-actuated spray can of black paint would be more fun. Come down from above so nothing is caught by the camera. Control it by a fiber link so that there’s no signal to identify the drone.

      Funny you should ask, yeah, I was discussing this the other day with some fellow techies down the pub.

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      • bluesheep@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I would’ve guessed that wireless would be the way to go since a fiber cable is quite literally a physical trace to your position. Are drones that easily identified by their wireless signal?

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    • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Have you seen those 50W burning lazers? I wonder if one of those could fry sensors.

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  • Hylactor@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I don’t know why I thought of this, but they make telescoping poles for wasp spray. I wonder if any other type of aerosol can would fit in them, or why you would even want to do that?

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    • nomy@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Hi I work in an adjacent industry and paintball guns are very effective in (temporarily) blinding these cams.

      Also harsh cleaning chemicals like Windex with Ammonia will degrade the IR/anti-glare coatings horribly and will lead to unusable shots within a season or two.

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  • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Add HIM to The List.

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  • Buelldozer@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Funny, I’ve been calling Flock the same thing.

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  • sturmblast@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Fuck these bootlickers

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