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• Arghblarg@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The cameras worked by constantly recording even before the “record” button was pressed, periodically deleting any footage that hadn’t been intentionally recorded. Once the “record” button was pressed by the officer, it would capture the 30 seconds before the button had been pressed, thanks to this method of constantly being on standby.

  But it was a hard concept for cops to understand. They weren’t being properly trained on the fact that their own cameras didn’t start recording once they pressed record. Hitting that button saved the 30 seconds prior as well, a neat feature that really bit them in the ass.

  Maybe bodycams should randomly record even when the RECORD button isn’t pressed by an officer; and the pre-record time should be random from say 2 minutes to 30 seconds before. And the recording should stop a random 30-60 seconds AFTER they hit ‘STOP’. So they never know when they’re being recorded. If they’re not pulling illegal shit, they shouldn’t have any problem with that, right?

  In fact, with storage capabilities nowadays, bodycams should ALWAYS be recording, period. Gotta go to the bathroom? Too damn bad. You’re a public servant. Trust the auditors to redact that if it comes to a court subpoena. You signed up for it. Extraordinary powers come with extraordinary sacrifices.

  Jeebus Chripes. No wonder so many people say ACAB.

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  • cubism_pitta@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    When we fly we are forced to let some stranger see our junk with the full body scanner

    Gotta make sure I am not smuggling a full sized tube of tooth paste up my ass

    Seems reasonable given that

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    • klymilark@herbicide.fallcounty.omg.lol ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Hobesrly with the angles of the body cams I doubt anything would be visible. 100% be audible though.

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  • moakley@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I think we just need to revise the laws to say that a cop’s testimony doesn’t have any more weight than anyone else’s testimony unless it’s backed up by their bodycam.

    Taking cops at their word made sense when we didn’t have this technology. It doesn’t make sense anymore.

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    • KoboldCoterie@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I would even go a step further and say that cops’ testimony should not even be accepted if they don’t have bodycam footage to back it up. When you have a camera that’s able to verify anything you need it to, the absence of that verification should be viewed through the lens that you specifically did not want whatever was happening during that time to be recorded.

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    • NABDad@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I keep getting left off jury duty by honestly answering the question about whether I would give less weight to a cops testimony because they’re a cop.

      I suppose if there’s ever a civil jury trial that doesn’t involve a police testimony, I might serve in a jury.

      A bit of a shame because I don’t mind being on a jury. I’m not trying to get out of it. I’m just being honest.

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  • NewDark@lemmings.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    People say ACAB because police are class traitors. They violently protect and serve the interest of capital.

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    • alaphic@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      ¿Por que no los dos?

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  • forrgott@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They absolutely should always be recording - and frequently backing up data to a server outside their control. Although it probably needs to have judicial oversight for access to days files?

    But yeah, what’s the damn point if it’s controlled by the very people the technology is intended to provide oversight for?

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    • Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Why would you need oversight for access? All footage of all officers interactions with the public available to all citizens within say a few days of being filmed. That’s how you achieve oversight.

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  • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The company that sells the cameras and the police buying them don’t want that. The guy who owns the company that makes most body cams advertises that the cameras don’t record more accurately than the human eye. This enables cops to show a blurry 16fps 720p video and go “it looked like he was pulling out a gun”,m.

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  • Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    In fact, with storage capabilities nowadays, bodycams should ALWAYS be recording, period. Gotta go to the bathroom? Too damn bad. You’re a public servant. Trust the auditors to redact that if it comes to a court subpoena. You signed up for it. Extraordinary powers come with extraordinary sacrifices.

    You don’t need to record them shitting, just make it explicit policy that any time police disable their body cams the default position for what happened is whatever is most favorable to members of the public and least favorable to officers. Full stop.

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  • SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Make the record button a pause button. Let it stop for five minutes if you’re not moving. Once you walk away, it automatically resumes, independent of time. If you pressed pause while not in front of the shitter, you’re investigated.

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    • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Unless you’re going to the bathroom in front of a mirror why does it need to be paused at all?

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  • kambusha@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZd88mdVs0U

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    • Arghblarg@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That might indeed be the result sometimes :). Doesn’t matter. Since the US seems OK with Amazon making their drivers pee in a bottle and docking them points for gazing away while driving, why not make police submit to full recording like this?

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  • termaxima@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This would be nice but it ignores the fact cops (like we have today) shouldn’t exist at all. Cops are not the only way to do law enforcement.

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  • big_slap@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Gotta go to the bathroom? Too damn bad. You’re a public servant.

    you lost me here, this is an insane statement. a camera always on even when youre in the bathroom?

    if i was in a public restroom with a police officer, I now have to worry about being on camera in the one place where cameras are illegal? come on…

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    • GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If a cop walks into the bathroom now, how do you know the body cam isn’t on?

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  • MangoCats@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Maybe bodycams should randomly record

    For what memory chips cost these days, they should record continuously anytime the camera (accelerometer in the camera) detects motion within the previous 10 minutes. If they’re on-body, or in a moving car, they should be recording.

    The “save” button could work the same: mark 30 seconds before until “save” is deactivated to be “do not delete this for rotation” - but otherwise, save everything anyway, only rotate out after 2TB of memory card is full, and download at the end of every shift.

    Better still, download continuously to the car and 5G it to a cloud server where the department can’t delete it.

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• gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Well hey, I have a few questions:

  • Why do bodycams even have a user-accessible switch? Why isn’t some sort of magnetic or RFID/NFC mechanism that’s only actuated by the docking station back at the precinct?
  • Why aren’t they running constantly for as long as they’re on shift?
  • Why do police (or any law enforcement mandated to wear body cams) have literally any control or review capability over the cameras and the footage they generate? Why isn’t an entirely discrete and separate agency firewalled off from the cops?

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  • orclev@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Any police testimony not accompanied by some kind of recording should be inadmissible in court. Likewise any evidence collected while a camera isn’t recording should also be inadmissible. Police have shown again and again that they can’t be trusted and they’re almost always a less reliable witness than some random bystander. It’s about time we actually started tearing them that way.

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    • MangoCats@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I took a speeding ticket to court, had the officer sitting behind me pre-trial talkin’ smack with a colleague “why are you here? Speeding, ha, how hard is that?” Yeah, so he gets on the stand and “reads from his notes” every single thing he said was fabricated, only my location was accurate, his location was a lie: in reality he “witnessed” me from a side street 3 blocks back from the intersection he crossed but in his testimony he “observed me passing a line of five cars” - yeah, except that never happened, what I was passing was a single gardening truck doing 10mph for the past 3 blocks, the other 4 cars were stacked up behind me.

      Maybe he really thought that’s what he saw, which is all the more reason his dashcam should have been the evidence, not his notebook. restonyc.com/can-you-not-be-a-police-officer-with…

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  • silence7@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Because we dont want or need videos of police pissing in urinals, and they’re human and deserve to not have that recorded

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    • MangoCats@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’d be in favor of a “private” button that they can press for such circumstances. The video is still recorded, but marked private - plays back black and silent on ordinary playback software. If it’s ever in legitimate question of whether or not “private” was pressed inappropriately the private video can be restored to full picture and sound with the appropriate code key.

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    • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Don’t put mirrors in front of urinals. Problem solved.

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    • ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If they’re human then why don’t they act like it?

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    • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The FOV can’t actually capture that, if you’ve ever seen wearable cam footage.

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    • x00z@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s not like there’s something to see when a cop pulls nothing out of his pants.

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• kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Richard Pinheiro was found guilty of a misdemeanor charge of fabricating evidence in 2018 and received a three-year suspended sentence and two years of supervised probation, according to the Baltimore Sun.

  How in the hell is malicious fraud that results in destroying someone’s livelihood, reputation, and freedom with years of a jailtime only a misdemeanor with a suspended sentence and probation. This kind of egregious action is waaaaay more damaging to the public welfare and safety than an individual possessing drugs for personal use, and yet the former gets you a “shame a on you”, and the latter rips you from your family, your job, your life. This is some backwards shit.

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  • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah, police falsifying evidence should carry the same penalties as the crime they falsified evidence for and a guaranteed firing. This country treats cops with a bizarre level of leniency

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    • xthexder@l.sw0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Certainly if they falsified a federal crime, the penalty shouldn’t be any less than wire fraud, which is up to 20 years in prison.

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    • x00z@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Not just the penalties for that specific crime either but the penalties the victim would get. Most cops plant stuff on people with criminal pasts or existing legal problems because they’ll have a much harder time proving they are innocent. Such people get much higher penalties.

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• ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  People keep proposing naive solutions without realizing cops only use bodycams because they see them as net benefit for them. The technology was around for a long time but only became popular when it was sold as surveillance tool, not accountability tool. If police loses control of the footage they will simply stop using them. If you force them they will protest. Guess who the politicians will support in this fight?

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  • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    There are only two ways to fix this that I see:

    • Settlements need to be paid out of the cops’ pension fund.
    • Send more cops to prison.

    Neither of which the US is going to do, because here, the cops and law enforcement are a civic religion. Therefore the best most Americans can do is keep their heads down and avoid the bastards as best you can manage.

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    • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      In Spain when cops fuck up you simply take away their ability to work in law enforcement. It’s really that simple. In US they will just get hired by another city. The problem in US is not that this is hard to solve and requires so clever, hard to write legislation. The problem is that law enforcement always worked for the elites, not the masses and no one in power wants to change it.

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    • MangoCats@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The technical solution is: body cam footage is automatically, frequently, uploaded to cloud servers that the department does not control. The department gets read-only access, nobody gets the ability to delete footage for 7 years, and defense attorneys get automatic access to everything remotely related to their case.

      Also: planting evidence and sending the falsely accused to prison for 6 months is a misdemeanor punished with suspended sentences and probation? That department owes the falsely accused damages for lost wages and damage to their ability to obtain future employment. That’s actually a “superpower” cops know all too well: if you’ve never been arrested they can seriously screw up your life with absolute impunity just by arresting you - charges never have to be filed, that arrest on your record - however baseless it may be - can hurt you in all sorts of ways, especially employability, for the rest of your life.

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    • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The easiest way to get this accomplished politically is to create insurance for them. Have the departments cover the base insurance rate and premium increases from settlements increase that officers insurance which (s)he has to pay out of their pay. If the insurance is unaffordable then you can no longer be a police.

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    • HubertManne@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      cops should carry liability insurance just like doctors and a cops rates will be effected by where they work. When one cop watches another break the rules they should be watching their monthly premiums rise.

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• LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Cops are allowed to break the law constantly and get off easy because politicians argue “no one will want to be a cop if we hold them accountable for their actions.”

  It’s the dumbest thought process one could have. Wouldn’t you want GOOD cops that follow laws instead of just people who know how to yell and shoot?

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  • Zink@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    politicians argue “no one will want to be a cop if we hold them accountable for their actions.”

    That sounds a lot like when they insist that nobody will ever innovate if they ever have to pay taxes when they get rich off their product.

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  • halowpeano@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    No, politicians make shit up to cover the fact what they really want are cops that obey them regardless of the law. Because they know if cops enforced the law equally, they’d be arrested for corruption.

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    • forrgott@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Well, considering the entire concept of police came from mercenaries who were hired to “patrol” the neighborhood where factory workers and the liked lived to prevent revolts…it’s all bullshit.

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  • GladiusB@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    No. They want loyalty to protect their needs. It has shit to do with protecting the people.

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  • Gathorall@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Well they wouldn’t want to be politicians if they couldn’t be corrupt shits in it to line their own pockets and hurt people they dislike. Of course they don’t understand why someone would work for the goverment for any other reason.

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• Cherry@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I get the nuance in these replies and not trying to go off topic but general theme is not only do the overseers not care but it’s by design at all levels, from the officer, the equipment supplier, to the courts.

  You have had an execution In the street and the authorities will not acknowledge it never mind applied or make steps to make it right.

  Same same. Corruption, submission, fascism.

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• Takapapatapaka@tarte.nuage-libre.fr ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  In the same sense, there recently was a disclosure of footages of this kind of camera during a massive protest in france, with thousands on each side. It was very violent, with two protesters into coma if i’m right. Turns out, police forces were told beforehand to “record to prove we’ve done nothing wrong”. The result is hours of footages of insults, illegal use of their gear, call to use lethal weapons, and pleasure of sending people to hospital, because those morons forgot to turn the cameras off when those happened.

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• Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  We save flok video in cloud but cops cams are dumb enough that they can be turned off and on and that they save only locally, WTF

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• Blo0dixte4rz@hilariouschaos.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  All this political outcry, protesty, crazy attempt at radicalization are just bonkers, why can’t people just do right 😩 (like that will ever happen)

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