Windows 11 felt like a downgrade before all the AI bs. Microsoft values me more as an advertising opportunity than a customer.
'I'll believe it when I see it': Windows 11 users are cynical about Microsoft's promises to fix the OS and stop pushing AI
Submitted 2 weeks ago by throws_lemy@reddthat.com to technology@lemmy.world
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Greg@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Jesus_666@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I had avoided it until late last year when I had to reinstall a friend’s borked install after it had somehow managed to shred its registry hives.
Holy shit. That installer is an embarrassment. First it couldn’t get past the first reboot until I found out that you can set it to use what looks like the Windows 7 installer for the first steps. Then I had to deal with a dog slow installer that needs half a dozen reboots for some unfathomable reason. Then an endless cavalcade of sales prompts, including one for an Office subscription where they try to hide the price from you. All to end in, well, Windows 11.
I simultaneously installed Fedora Kinoite on his old laptop. I don’t think the Fedora installer is one of the better ones but it was so much easier and faster to set up the machine that it was almost comical.
Seeing both systems side by side really drives home just how clunky Windows is. And how Microsoft installers are barely better than they were 15 years ago, but now they have ads.
xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 2 weeks ago
I read “reevaluating its AI strategy on Windows 11” as “finding a more subtle way to shove that botulistic sausage down their customers throats”.
oh_@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah, exactly, they never said they are removing any AI. Just will be slapping some paint on it.
U7826391786239@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
i’ll never see it because i’m never using windows again
innermachine@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I stopped seeing all the copilot ai crap after I removed it from my windows 11 computer. Not sure what versions of windows people on here are running but I’m glad it’s not on my PC! It is unfortunate that windows needs to be debloated if you buy home version instead of enterprise (a mistake I made), if they keep making users need to tweak stuff they’ll be better off on linux soon! Windows was supposed to be the idiot proof is for office drones but it appears those days are gone.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Not sure what versions of windows people on here are running
No version
neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Same!
I’m currently building my business to be platform agnostic.
For the most part I’m using open source for everything that can be.
Bow that I think of it, the only non-open source stuff I use are zoom, outlook (need it for shared inboxes), and my payment processor. I doubt I will move on from these platforms as their value is really good. Zoom is the only one I may transition away from from as costs grow.
NutWrench@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think the best way to turn people on to Linux is to give them a bootable live USB, so they can try it out. Otherwise, they have no basis for comparison.
Too many people just accept whatever Microsoft gives them, shrug and think, “Well, I guess this is just the way computers are.”
bytesonbike@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
The best way from my perspective is to show them.
At tech events and meetups, I’m showing them Linux.
When my friends come over, I show them my self hosted solutions on a Linux.
At work, where we use Macs, we talk about open-source, including Linux.
bstix@feddit.dk 2 weeks ago
I like the idea, but unfortunately most PCs don’t boot from USB out of the box. It requires a few easy steps, but this might just be enough for a lot of people not to try it.
klymilark@herbicide.fallcounty.omg.lol 2 weeks ago
Remember: Companies don’t learn lessons, they react to profits. They’re 100% gonna boil the frog here.
sommerset@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
What sucks is - windows is the easiest to jump off. There are tons of viable alternatives.
There is nothing for mobile.
Sturgist@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I mean. There ARE mobile os options. Just you need to have very specific phones, and they’re all old and outdated tech.
rumba@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Yup, and getting fewer every day.
There are some projects (postmarketOS and half a dozen people forking it for other distros) trying to get kernel and drivers worked out, Linux is still sadly lacking at a bunch of the best tricks Android and IOS use to save power (most notably freezing applications), we’ll get there eventually.
The Halium stuff +Ubuntu ports works if all you’re worried about is privacy and as you said have a supported phone.
Postmarket can’t make it through the morning on a charge. Halium is Android kernel and drivers and also has power issues if you decide to run android apps. Neither one can do anything with NFC.
MonkRome@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
they’re all old and outdated tech.
You can put graphene os on the newest pixel if you really want. Imo, you shouldn’t be giving Google the money anyway. Makes more sense to buy an older refurbished pixel from a trusted 3rd party. The newer phones are not really major increases in tech anymore anyway. I’m still rocking a pixel 6 pro and it feels functionally equivalent to the newer phones but it’s 5 years old.
Reygle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
For mobile I can’t recommend Graphene enough. Freedom from Google with no draw backs.
Assuming you have self control about keeping shite apps off your mobile, fastest and most private option there is.
MoffKalast@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’d get on graphene in a second if they supported more than one phone, and I’m not buying a damn pixel alright.
httperror418@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Only thing holding me back is game companies not empowering stuff like battlefield
I daily drive Linux for work, just use windows to play some games in the evening
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Microsoft’s promises to fix the OS and stop pushing AI
Never heard such a promise.
Mostly_Gristle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Windows 11 feels like Microsoft is actively punishing me for being foolish enough to keep using their products. Adding some janky AI bullshit machine to this garbage fire feels now they’re just taking the piss.
Alabaster_Mango@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
No joke, one of the last straws for me was their stupid copilot popup on the active cell in Excel. Hated that garbage. Also their refusal to let me just use the file explorer to save my files. Maybe I’m an old fogey, but every new addition felt like a step backwards. I have now switched to Linux and am having a decent time (not for everyone tho and I totes understand if others don’t want to make the switch).
Lulzagna@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Microsoft hasn’t made a decent OS since Windows 7, why would they start now?
innermachine@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
People have too much rose tinted vision about 7, it really wasn’t that great. I don’t see anything it does better than w11, and if you have modern hardware (I mean like 2015+) your computer is being held back by w7. Sure it’s technically more light weight but it lacks support for modern hardware and any modern computer will by choked by w7 where w11 or Linux would run significantly better.
titanicx@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
God I still remember how many people still screamed about Windows 7 and getting rid of XP. You can definitely tell the age of people based off of what Windows OS they claim is best.
Lulzagna@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If you think that Windows 7 was overrated, you’re naive and completely oblivious to the state of Windows during that era. XP came out in 2001 and Vista in 2007, during a time personal computer improvements were exploding. That’d be like 20 years nowadays. Vista was a bloated and slow mess that even modern hardware could barely run efficiently. Windows 7 righted the wrongs and made massive performance improvements that Vista lacked, and not just for modern hardware at the time.
Arguing that Windows 7 doesn’t support modern hardware is so asinine and a straw-man argument. No one was making an argument that Windows 7 is a good OS today, not a single person. What we are arguing is that every OS since 7 has been a half-baked mess with tons of bugs and annoyances.
“I don’t see anything it does better than w11”. You think the lack of unified interface is equal to windows 7? You think the disaster of a start menu is equal to windows 7? You think forced updates is better? You think the abundance of telemetry is better?
Honestly, have you even used Windows 7?
Royy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m a bit confused by your criticism. Windows 7 came out in 2009, Windows 8 came out in 2012. And your criticism of Windows 7 is that it doesn’t run great with modern hardware? Microsoft not optimizing an old operating system for new hardware when it’s focusing on a new version, to me, isn’t a reflection on the quality or design of the old operating system. To me that’s like criticizing DOS for being limited to 640kb of memory. It was designed for the hardware available at the time.
TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Agreed. 2000 was fantastic, but that was 9 years before 7. Its been 18 since 7.
WraithGear@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
i don’t believe it and am no longer giving them the chance to allow me to see it.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
know who never pushed AI?
Linux.
know who has fixes or useful community support?
Linux.
know who doesn’t scan your desktop every second to scrape your data?
Linux.
know who has the audacity to provide a free product and still doesn’t sell your identity to the lowest bidders?
Linux.
holy shit, it’s almost like Linux is the OS by the people for the people…
NoxAstrum@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Great news, you don’t have to bother, just switch to Linux. I did, and I don’t have to spend a single moment worrying about what Microsoft is doing to their garbage.
Strider@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There’s a threshold that you pass and once you do there’s no going back because the trust is lost forever and customers will go the next chance they get.
It looks like this is finally the point we might have reached with windows.
SaraTonin@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The Trust Thermocline
Strider@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yes that, thanks!
kcseb@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
and this is why I use Linux. No forced AI nonsense being shoved down my neck.
Telorand@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
Sorry, I can’t hear you over all the Linux on my computers since last year. Did you say “promises to shit on the OS and super push AI?” Yeah, sounds about right for Microslop.
roserose56@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Do you believe them that they gonna stop AI? It’s a billion investment that needs results for the shareholders!
filcuk@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Oh no, we thought results were for the next CEO to worry about!
Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
*next CEO is an AI scapegoat
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I’ll believe it when I see it
Why? Why even wanna see it? Just walk away, go to Linux, and find that suddenly you own your computer again
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
there’s no chance my company stops using Windows any time soon
and until then, I need MS to stop doing their goddamn best to make it impossible for me to do my job
Nikelui@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Unless you are locked in by hardware or some very specific software, you can make a very compelling case on how much your company can save on MS licenses every year.
Honytawk@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
No they aren’t. They don’t care.
solarvector@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
They’ll stop pushing AI by integrating it throughout the system similar to how Internet Explorer is tied to everything. Except much more invasive.
Their goal is certainly not reducing AI, it’s making it seamlessly incorporated in everything you do.
reksas@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
even being cynical towards microsoft at this point looks to me like sheepish adoration. If you have any hope that microsoft might start doing better you are naive.
iturnedintoanewt@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
In this update this month they prioritized the app store over local results. I tried to open powershell (work computer), and it offered me the app store version BEFORE my installed powershell. Yeah I’m sure they’re going to change course.
Dlayknee@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
[Win+x, i ], my brother in Gates! But yeah, I share your cynicism of their priorities.
Sinirlan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Like 5 years too late for me, I ditched Winslop bit over 4 years ago, never looked back. Yes, it’s not perfect, not everything works out of the box and I have to search for solutions every now and then but it’s My Computer again.
jode@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
Microsoft my sweet summer child, it’s not just the ai. It’s the Spyware wrapped in a Windows shell. Call me when I can install without needing an MS account.
goatinspace@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
agentTeiko@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I don’t think windows is an OS anymore. It just the personification of the checkout questions they ask you at GameStop or BestBuy about the extended warranty or magazine subscription.
MagnificentSteiner@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Microslop could do absolutely anything to Windows and it wouldn’t make me go back because it would be Microslop doing it.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
FireWire400@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The damage has been done. And honestly, Windows 11 changed my life despite its shortcomings.
So thank you, Microslop, for making me embrace Linux.
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Their stock tanking like 12% must have been a wake up call
starblursd@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Too little to late… I already left and fell in love with Linux
kescusay@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Welcome! Isn’t it a breath of fresh air to use an OS that isn’t trying to turn your computer into an advertising and upselling platform? It has its issues, but it’s a huge relief to escape the constant inundation from Microsoft.
(Obligatory: I use arch BTW)
PointyFluff@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Fucking Arch Users – The Tesla Owners of the Linux World
Jhex@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Welcome to the club buddy! we’ve been waiting for you!
digitalFatteh@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Same here. Got fed up after every damned update to subscribe to this, want to setup backup to cloud, setup office. Switched to Linux and now not a single subscription popup in sight. It’s been bliss. Spent the weekend with the misses sorting out 30 years of photos and getting to know exit editor 🫣
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Exactly
Sabata11792@ani.social 2 weeks ago
My games work, most are better than on Windows. Microsop has noting to offer but ads and malicious bloatware.
jjlinux@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Same here, only 9 years ago. On the not so bright side, every few months I go in a distro hopping frenzy for a day or 2 but it’s fine, since any distro installed takes me at most 15 minutes.