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OnePlus update blocks downgrades and custom ROMs by blowing a fuse

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Beep@lemmus.org⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Oneplus_phone_update_introduces_hardware_anti-rollback

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  • skisnow@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    And yet my LinkedIn is still full of people complaining about how much the EU over-regulates

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  • Mycenaman@lemmy.ml ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s not flashing a custom ROM. It is installing an OS of users choice. Enemy’s language shouldn’t be used if we want things to change

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    • JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This is why “side load” is annoying to me. It’s installing. It is not special or different. They aren’t “blocking side loading” they’re “restricting what you can install.”

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      • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I’m 100% okay with how my Samsung Galaxy handles it: You access the Developer mode by pressing on the phone info screen in the settings for several seconds, and then there’s a switch that allows execution of random .apk files.

        “Yes, do as I say.”

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    • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Still custom as it’s not the default

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      • Mycenaman@lemmy.ml ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        What makes it “custom”? If you install Linux on a laptop that comes with Windows pre-installed, is Linux then a custom OS it’s not being a default? Why phones are any different? Calling it custom you play to the manufacturers pockets making it sound shady and unofficial giving them right to take the control from the customers devices. Soon we won’t own anything we buy.

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      • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Installing linux on your Dell that came with Windows isn’t “Installing a custom OS.”

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  • ulterno@programming.dev ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    In better times, this would at least get a class action.

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  • floofloof@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    So never buy OnePlus products. Got it. Thanks OnePlus for making the advice so clear!

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    • shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      That’s what I heard. I know Samsung has been doing something like this as well.

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      • Armand1@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Samsung has been blowing fuses in your phone when you root since at least 2015. I know because it happened to me. Never bought one again after that.

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  • rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That means they were making money by people running their os.

    If they spend the money on re-engineering their devices not to allow it, there was a cost advantage to selling your data.

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  • TheRealKuni@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Wow, what happened to OnePlus? They used to be so cool. Hell, the first one ran Cyanogen.

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    • Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      They’re basically being folded into Oppo right now. OnePlus as a company is pretty much dead.

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      • paraphrand@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        “Open” once again being abused as angle to build something for an exit. It sounds like.

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    • Nima@leminal.space ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      what has happened, indeed. I still use an 8T and I love it heavily, but good lord. apparently you miss a few models and the whole company changes.

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      they saw GOOGLE was trying to lockdown thier bootloader, or restrict it.

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      • TheRealKuni@piefed.social ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        So they said, “Nuh uh, we’re gonna lock it down so you can’t!” Or am I misunderstanding?

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  • lonesomeCat@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Seriously are there any Android brands that do not suck and ship everywhere (not limited to the US/EU markets)??

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    • Limonene@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I believe thay all have shitty operating systems. But some of them have an aftermarket OS available. Pick your OS first, then look for a phone that can run it. Here are the ones I know of:

      GrapheneOS CalyxOS (on hiatus) Crdriod LineageOS

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    • eru@mouse.chitanda.moe ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      google pixel with grapheneos maybe pixel 10 is pretty repairable hardware wise, some prior ones have glued in battery

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  • termaxima@slrpnk.net ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    “OnePlus shoots own foot. Likely to blame consumers for it”

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  • stebator@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Many users were buying OpenPlus Pro smartphones solely because of the ability to unlock the bootloader and flash custom ROMs. People value freedom and customization. OpenPlus is shooting itself in the foot.

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    • hume_lemmy@lemmy.ca ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Oppo killed and ate OP a long time ago. They’ve just been wearing their skin like a suit up to this point, but their true nature is obvious at this point.

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    • evol@lemmy.today ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I increasingly small amount of their userbase cares about that now, its a mainstream device now

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    • lost_faith@lemmy.ca ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This is why I bought a pixel 6

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      • MrKoyun@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        This will never stop being funny

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  • lechekaflan@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    At the end of the day the makers of smartphones determine if you can mod their products to their liking or not, and in most cases they really hate it because they want to continue selling phones and make them more difficult to fix without special tools.

    How I was then doing fine with a feature phone allowing me to play music and take pictures.

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  • thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Wasn’t OnePlus like worshipped because of how much support for custom ROMs wth

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    • MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      The original “One” phone was even supposed to run cyanogemod at one point.

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      • FauxLiving@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        It was shipped with Cyanogenmod for a while.

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    • Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yes they were and did for about 6 years, 2014-2020ish isn’t a bad run

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  • ramble81@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Holy shit. I wanted to say something constructive, but just…. holy shit. Intentional hard brick of a customer owned device….

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  • FauxPseudo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    “…long enough to become the villain.”

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  • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    If true, this is sabotage of the customers product, and must 100% be illegal in almost any country!!

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    • db2@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Things are illegal only when enforced. Otherwise they’re a suggestion at best.

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      • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        That’s part of how shitty the consumer protection really is.
        But common for all, there needs to be complaints before the law is involved.

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    • darcmage@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I haven’t read the entire XDA thread but there are a few posts saying it’s limited to ColorOS (Chinese version of android that everyone else gets as OxygenOS). Unable to verify.

      If they don’t reverse course, I’m sure it’ll roll out globally eventually.

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    • SolSerkonos@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      ….oh? I thought every console used this kind of tech as well.

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      • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        So are console sold with the possibility of changing the OS, only to have that option removed later? There was some issue with PS3, but apart from that I never heard about it.

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  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    so it basically permanently “damages” the phone when you try to root it, seems like they are asking for a lawsuit at some point.

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    • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Wanna try suing Samsung before that?

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      • ramble81@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I thought the difference there is that they were upfront about the feature in Knox and you can still install another OS, it just disables Pay and the Secure Notes part. Also it was something there from the start.

        This feels markedly different as it’s retroactive and a full brick, which is much more severe and a bait and switch.

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      • Nollij@sopuli.xyz ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Why would they start with the harder one? Samsung is much better funded, and therefore will be a much more difficult case.

        And no, it does not matter that Samsung did it first.

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  • evol@lemmy.today ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Miss my Oneplus 7 Pro. popup cameras <3

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    • luckyeddy@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’ve still kept my 7T pro. Peak Oneplus 🪦

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  • hornedfiend@piefed.social ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    One plus joined my short list of “I can’t be bothered” companies like Samsung and Apple, Xiaomi, Oppo and some other sub par companies.

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    • ragas@lemmy.ml ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      And all that while OnePlus was awesome up until the OnePlus 7 pro.

      I had the 5t until last year and it was still awesome.

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  • Raglesnarf@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    so does that mean we’re done with OnePlus?

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    • pulsey@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Havent we for a while?

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  • spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I bought a OP 9Pro just before Oppo decimated the company. They moved from Oxygen OS to a poorly camouflaged version of Oppo Color OS and stripped out some of the features that made Oneplus what it was. Even more of an issue: Oppo almost completely stopped fixing bugs, even some really serious ones that had been long documented.

    It seems to me that the only reason Oppo would do is to preserve the revenue they get from selling customer data that should remain private. Otherwise what would Oppo care what OS people run on their hardware?

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    • ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Hi, could you share what phone you bought? I’m looking for a replacement in the near future and I want to get a headstart on the research.

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      • spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Bought a Pixel 10. I’d give a B review, primarily because Google uses their customers as beta testers. The hardware is nice overall, but Android 16 needs work. As is typical for Google they knowingly released a product with lots of bugs for their customers to find.

        What Google does do right is carrier compatibility. Just like the Iphone, Pixels can be used at any U.S. carrier and everything works

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  • defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I get why they do this, because downgrade attacks are a thing that are used to exploit devices remotely, but there are other ways to implement this, like what GrapheneOS does. Downgrading can also just be restricted to unlocked bootloaders as well.

    There is no good reason for devices to use efuses to block downgrades unless they are trying to restrict user freedom a la consoles.

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    • Zak@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
      • Reasonable: prevent downgrades when the bootloader is locked
      • Sketchy: prevent downgrades when the bootloader is unlocked
      • Unhinged: hard-brick the device when a downgrade is attempted
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    • goatinspace@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      No good reason

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  • _thebrain_@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Last I hear OnePlus was on the verge of collapse. Not because of this, but because of the mismanagement since carl left. It will probably be absorbed into oppo soon enough androidheadlines.com/exclusive-oneplus-collapse.

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  • eleijeep@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Another company to add to the list.

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  • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Well…So did Samsing with Samsung Knox

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    • Squizzy@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Oh well then… if the bastion of open and customer focused development did it

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    • Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Knox just displays a message when you boot the device. You can still install a custom ROM. I’m typing this on a Samsung tablet running LineageOS.

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      • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Never said the fuse prevented the execution of a non-Samsung OS.
        But the tripped efuse is permanent.

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Knox -> e-Fuse

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  • goldenlocks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Doesn’t effect OnePlus 12 thankfully, anyone have info on custom roms for it?

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    • kingmook@sh.itjust.works ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’ve been running LineageOS on my OnePlus12 for a few months and it’s been pretty solid for me. Good battery life, but the camera app isn’t quite as robust. Lineage on Waffle

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      • goldenlocks@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Nice, thanks!

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      im on the OP12R, but i dont have anything custom on it.

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