Been an avid Youtube viewer since the very beginning. Now, I’m paying for the site and using a bunch of extensions just to get a worse experience than I was getting on youtube 5 - 10 years ago. After seeing all of my favorite content become unprofitable and die off, I am so ready to jump ship. I think in the immediate future, Patreon and Nebula are providing the alternative that will get creators paid reliably.
Coming to you soon...
Submitted 1 year ago by arcane@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
VonReposti@feddit.dk 1 year ago
I have been using Nebula for a while now and can very much recommend it. I barely use YouTube now at all.
illectrility@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
LBRY is also pretty good. For YouTube I use NewPipe and FreeTube. They make it a lot better
andrr_464@lemmy.world 1 year ago
And piped too, I use a client called libretube, feels like a native android app
s1vgm@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I miss the good old days on YouTube.
Ab_intra@discuss.online 1 year ago
Haha. This is something that they have been testing for some time now. I ended up changing to YouTube premium a few years ago from Spotify and I think it’s pretty good!
deegeese@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
It’s like saying fascism is great if you just lick the boot.
You’re missing the entire point.
RiikkaTheIcePrincess@kbin.social 1 year ago
Some people just love the taste, you know?
Kinda weird how eager some people are to brag about how much they love paying for YouTube Premium, though. Sometimes repeatedly, and as a response to every other comment. Like a paid ad, almost. Just being proud of paying for things is weird on its own but... damn, stinks like Google's paying them back well to behave like they're starving for it to come give them a cookie. Maybe it's bots. ... Nah, humans will serve their favourite companies at no charge and without any effort to make them. Bleh.
Ab_intra@discuss.online 1 year ago
That is one insane way of twisting words but you do you…
Ilovethebomb@lemmy.world 1 year ago
🙄
teydam@kbin.social 1 year ago
i left spotify when they paid joe rogan podcast. the 50 shuffle limit also annoyed me because 300 songs on a playlist get missed. youtube premium is no ads youtube and music
Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 1 year ago
For me it was Spotify’s patent on manipulating people’s mood with music, noped right out of there after that. I’m in a position where I can afford to go back to buying songs, so I actually did that (better for the artist and I don’t have to worry about any recommendation algorithm accidentally making me depressed because depressed = “more engagement”).
I’m not sure if it was related but, coincidentally, I found my mental state in a far better place about a year later.
MixedRaceHumanAI@lemm.ee 1 year ago
sUbSriBin 2 aNy guGeL sErviCes mAkez u ev1LL…
Ab_intra@discuss.online 1 year ago
Basically those that down voted my comment lol
ninjakitty7@kbin.social 1 year ago
Guess we found the stone with blood in it.
Fangslash@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There used to be a trick where you can skip ads in youtube app by pretending to report it. i’ve used that to skip the 2x30s unskippable ads over the years, but that was patched patched recently.
So instead of occasionally watching ads while scrolling through comments, I’ve now opt to watch youtube in browser with UblockOrigin. And good luck to google for playing catch 25 with adblockers.
Hyperi0n@lemmy.film 1 year ago
Playing Catch up not catch 22 lol
1ird@notyour.rodeo 1 year ago
That’s the thing for me. I’m fine with ads on a free service. Where I draw the line is my kid watching a spooky Jillian and Addy video with a 30 minute unskippable ad that’s just a religious talk show or right wing rapper music video. If they policed it better and kept the ads
Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Is it possible to add a kind of “Terms of Service” to one’s GET request? My TOS would then be not to deliver content if they object ad blocking.
ShittyRedditWasBetter@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I can’t believe 6 people up voted this 🤦♂️
Hadriscus@lemm.ee 1 year ago
What’s a Get request ?
theKalash@feddit.ch 1 year ago
It’s a fancy word for when your browsers requests some content from a server (like entering an adress in your browser).
Pretty sure he was just trying to sound smart, it doesn’t even make sense.
Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 year ago
When you want to open a web site, your browser sends a so-called “GET request” to the server which contains then URL and some setting information like preferred language ans such. The server then answers this request by sending the web pages content. Or an error message like 404.
FilipDaFlippa@lemmy.world 1 year ago
YouTube premium is the one subscription I will gladly pay for, I use it so much daily and you also get YouTube music which is a superior app to Spotify/Others, the family plan value is unmatched.
Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
I agree, and subscribe to Premium. I can’t help but feel, though, thag voting with my wallet towards creators Patreons might actually keep Youtube’s little temper tantrum from hurting me. Patreon is another platform, but its harm reduction. Less problematic.
InvaderDJ@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I like Premium, but hate YT Music. I’d rather use another music platform, but YT prices the subscription perfectly so it just doesn’t make sense to use anything else.
But considering my watch time I’d say YT is probably my most used subscription.
exohuman@programming.dev 1 year ago
I’m the same way. I really like Premium. I would rather watch YouTube most times over Hollywood stuff.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Haha! Forced ads = no watchie-watchie. I have played this game with YouTube before, and the adblockers always win.
strawberry@artemis.camp 1 year ago
I don't think corpos ever win in the digital world. as long as there is paid content, people will find a way to get it for frwe
Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I wonder what’ll happen when the bubble bursts this time around, will it be as bad as the Dot-com crash or worse? (Enshitification is the reaction to not having enough money and needing to try to make money quickly to pay back investors).
Aicse@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They also started to fight piped and invidous, nevertheless it won’t make me buy their subscription, I’ll just ditch the platform.
mysoulishome@lemmy.world 1 year ago
YouTube is so horrible now I hope it’s reaching the tipping point where even non tech people may get sick of it and look elsewhere. There is no reason to have ONE giant main fucking video site and that’s it for most of the English speaking world. I need to look up how to do grout…or open this smoke detector…or beat this video game…no reason that all these videos cannot be hosted via other websites or just self hosted with the affordability of bandwidth. I’ve loved most of what google has done for a long time and they won the browser wars, crushed Mapquest, destroyed hotmail and yahoo mail…now everything is turning to shit. Google search all but refuses to find what you’re searching for. 15 second video…30 second ad. No.
I don’t know if federation is the answer but YouTube being ubiquitous for internet video has got to go.
Neve8028@lemm.ee 1 year ago
There’s no shot youtube will be dethroned any time too. Hosting that amount of video is absurdly expensive.
mysoulishome@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Same is true about Reddit but we all here
Guster@lemmy.world 1 year ago
To be fair, the only reason why YouTube got so big and stayed relevant is THANKS to the ads. Do you think there would be incentives for creators to create good content if there wasn’t as revenue?
smeg@feddit.uk 1 year ago
It got big when there were no ads and nobody got paid. People made stuff for shits and giggles, and Google had infinite budget to just fund things. Then everything started to change a decade or so ago and now we’ve got this Like&Subscribe corponet situation everywhere.
Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
This is true but I blame the economy for squeezing people into needing to monetize what used to be harmless, fun hobbies.
Mandarbmax@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Why would I fuck your mom without a profit incentive?
Hazdaz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
… but, but, but I want FREE stuff!1!! Waaaaaa…
Then the same people who don’t understand that ads generate revenue are also the same people who in antiwork communities demand that workers get $15/hr.
Now of course there is a limit to this madness. The number of ads YT is playing if you don’t have a Premium account is obnoxious.
Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
You’re right, they took the incentive away over and over again and drove my favorite creators out. Now that the value is lower and the uncertainty is high - now they’re charging a lot more for the product.
4grams@awful.systems 1 year ago
The way I see it is that anyone can put up an ad wherever they want but in my own space I’m allowed to do whatever I like to block it out. Feel free to show them to me but my eyes so I decide what to look at with them, and the tools that modern systems have are the same as the cardboard I put on my window when I was young to block out the gas station lights across the street.
If they tell me I’m no longer allowed to look out the window without being blinded by neon, there’s a 100% chance I’ll move.
Francisco@lemmy.world 1 year ago
PeerTube looks quite promising with its decentralised model. Surely it will never be perfect. But decentralisation is essencial. Also because the types of videos I like to see in YouTube either are monetised by themselfs in some way. Or are not monetised at all. YouTube does not seem necessary for those creators.
acwern@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Been using PeerTube on and off for about a year now, been planning on starting a maths education channel on Trom. It’s definitely got potential, but I don’t see the average Youtube user migrating over to it any time soon. The main issue really is that children/young teens are a large portion of the target audience for a lot of big creators these days and the mobile apps for peertube are heavily lacking still. Not helped of course by the fact that one of the better android apps, NewPipe, which allows both YouTube and PeerTube in one place is not on the Play Store
FunnyUsername@lemmy.world 1 year ago
How dare YouTube enforce their own policies on their own website?
I would love if everything was free, too.
And I’m not a Google lover. Ditched Chrome on all my devices a couple weeks ago.
I just think seeing everyone scream and cry about the movie theater hiring security guards cuz kids sneaking in the back are flooding the seats is pretty funny. Everyone wants their cake and to eat it, too. Both Google and their users.
Brokkr@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think a lot of people feel that youtube is getting to eat all of the cake and is only offering crackers in return.
I think people accept that services need to advertise to survive, but become upset when that level of advertisemeant becomes excessive.
dx1@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Services are funded by advertisers. Advertisers are funded by their customers, the general public, after charging more for their products to fund advertisement. This is a symptom of the commodification of the collective consciousness. Absolutely disgusting.
Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 1 year ago
The optimist in me thinks that if all the free users currently using ad blockers switched to paid users or free users that aren’t using ad blockers, the amount of ads that actually get shown could be lessened… And in an ideal world that’s what would happen. The pessimist in me says Google’s current management is going to keep the ads where they are though.
There may be a market force in play here too though where they went “can we add more ads?” and they saw that if they added any more than they currently have, people just stop using the service. If that’s the case/what they’re bumping into (or what they start to bump into), there could genuinely be a drop in the number of ads after this rolls out.
danc4498@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Does this mean anything for pipe? Still don’t now how that actually works
HelloHotel@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Newpipe, yt-dlp and the like will continue to play the cat and mouse game until youtube acts like Twitter.
neatchee@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Unpopular opinion here but service providers should be allowed to enforce whatever conditions they want (within the law) for accessing and using their service.
There are plenty of other video hosting services. If you don’t like what YouTube is doing, don’t use their service. Not sure why people feel entitled to free content AND the ability to keep them from earning revenue.
The expectation of free content with no revenue stream attached is unsustainable. Pay for the content, or let them monetize it
And this is coming from someone who runs pi-hole on their network for security reasons.
foggy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There’s a problem when they have a sort of diagonal integration into the industry, as they’re kind of pulling up the ropes from competition while monetizing the product. It reeks of looming antitrust.
If I want to distribute billions of videos to billions of people on my own site, that’d be great, but my options are basically to pay Google, Amazon, or Microsoft for help.
neatchee@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m happy to talk about antitrust and breaking up conglomerates. But that needs to be a big conversation across many industries not just “Google bad, grrr”.
If you’re referencing WEI, btw, it is one of the topics people have been most misled about. Can link you to my Mastodon thread where I break down all the misunderstanding if you’d like
Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 1 year ago
I don’t understand this comment at all. Hosting your own video is actually super easy. HTML5 video is as simple as HTML5 images. It’s just the cost factor.
You can do it all without the cloud as well, you just have to actually go buy the servers or rent them from traditional virtual private server hosts. Not everyone has gone to the cloud.
AeroLemming@lemm.ee 1 year ago
It’s a lot more complicated than that because they are not entirely service providers, but service facilitators. They do not make the content, they merely distribute it, so they are only responsible for part of the service provided.
The result of this is that independent content creators often only upload their content to YouTube and not its competitors because it’s the most popular platform, which means that consumers are forced to go to YouTube in order to get the content from those independent creators, which makes the platform more popular, so more independent creators only upload there…
I would be inclined to agree with you if we had half a dozen competing video sharing services that creators all uploaded to, but as it is now, YouTube has an almost-monopoly and they’re squeezing hard because they can. If YouTube didn’t exist, it fould allow better services to exist. They don’t exist in a vacuum.
Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 1 year ago
Okay, but those independent content creators are often doing this trying to make money.
YouTube actually does have a pretty fair deal for “if you make us lose money, we won’t charge you” and “if you make us money, we’ll give you 55%.” That includes increased revenue to those creators if you subscribe.
Getting in the way of monetization here isn’t just hitting Google’s bottom line, it’s hitting those creators using Google’s platform as well.
I used ad blockers for YEARS until YouTube added a paid option and once I started using YouTube more (again) I went for that option quickly. I switched my mentally a few years ago to “if it’s not worth paying for, it’s not worth it” and that cleared a lot up for me in terms of priorities.
An aside but, I’m extremely annoyed with the pro-piracy, anti-paying game modders, and general anti-giving people money for the work they’re doing attitude that I’ve seen on Lemmy (and in gaming communities) recently. It’s like everyone wants to be paid a six figure salary when it comes to their life and then they want to get everything they enjoy on a computer for free.
dx1@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Because their revenue stream comes entirely from destroying our privacy throughout the entire internet?
InvaderDJ@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I definitely recommend people check out Youtube Premium if you hate ads and use YT a lot on smart TVs and mobile where ad-blocking is more difficult.
The majority of my video watching time is YT and I primarily do it on my phone or TV, so it is worth it for me. I wish I could cut out YT Music and save some money while using a music streaming service I prefer though.
garretble@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ll upvote you back up to 0 at least.
I’ve had YT Premium (formerly Red) for years. It’s actually a good service, but I’m not too happy it sounds like prices are going up soon.
denissimo@feddit.de 1 year ago
If you got Android Smart TV that allows apk install, such as a fairly cheap FireTV Lite, check out SmartTubeNext. NewPipe or Recanced for mobile. Laugh the difficult in the face if you got the time and mood to try these out :)
Plaid_Kaleidoscope@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They can absolutely go fuck themselves. I’ve already weened myself off of nearly every social media, stopped paying for YT premium because they keep doing bullshit I don’t like. I’m so ready for an alternative.
Ilovethebomb@lemmy.world 1 year ago
YouTube Premium is actually decent value if you also listen to music a lot.
fugepe@lemmy.world 1 year ago
fuck that
jampacked@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I used to keep it off on sites I wanted to have revenue but everyone uses them to annoy the user into subscriptions anymore so it’s not worth turning it off.
ShittyRedditWasBetter@lemmy.world 1 year ago
God forbid you pay them rather than steal bandwidth.
Username@feddit.nl 1 year ago
But, but, who’s gonna pay those poor influencers? /s
coralof@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I have YouTube ReVanced on my phone. If YouTube ever defeats uBlock Origin on my desktop, I just won’t watch YouTube on desktop anymore. I refuse to watch or view ads.
Kraivo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I guess, like everything youtube will be replaced with other things
FLX@lemmy.world 1 year ago
To get rid of the blank home : enable the history, click on a video you like, disable the history
denissimo@feddit.de 1 year ago
The future looks grim if that WEI thing comes to practice. But it’s my understanding that identifying the ‘undesired’ browser is done by fingerprinting? In that case you could just fake it by using JShelter, even fake the extensions you’re using. Not sure how they’re gonna fend Revanced if at all.
Stay strong everybody
cybermass@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
They were able to build a business and be profitable for over a decade but now all of the sudden ad block is destroying YouTube? 🤔
tr11@lemmy.world 1 year ago
:(
Ilovethebomb@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I look forward to hearing about this continuously for weeks if it gets implemented widely, followed by a handful of people taking their worthless views elsewhere, and the rest finally shutting up about it.
YouTube got bills to pay, sweetie.
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coffeeguy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I just canceled my youtube premium account after about 7 years of constant membership.
The recent price increase was crap. The service I receive hasn’t improved - actually with their shitty compression even on “4k” videos my enjoyment has really decreased.
But, the big driver were ads. With premium I didn’t see ads, instead I was increasingly bombarded with “words from our sponsor” all over videos.
Anyway, I recommend freetube. For now at least, it actually blocks all ads including sponsor blocks.
I won’t pay a monthly fee to be google’s advertising product.
MyFairJulia@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Those “words from our sponsor” parts happen because Youtube pays quite little to creators. Youtube Premium doesn’t get passed on to Youtubers.
applejacks@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I just changed my country to India, and subscribed.
Would never pay $10/month or whatever the cost is, but at my $1.30/month rate, it’s worth it.