Big tech boss tells delegates at Davos that broader global use is essential if technology is to deliver lasting growth
AI boom could falter without wider adoption, Microsoft chief Satya Nadella warns
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SpicyTaint@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
foodandart@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
AI boom could falter without wider adoption, Microsoft chief Satya Nadella warns
Fantastic! Let’s work to get to that point.
e8CArkcAuLE@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
how can i turn off the automatic ai resumes that get thrown at me at every other website and app?
foodandart@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
tenbluelinks.org - this will clear the AI chaff out of google’s search and default you to the old-style “web” results with no AI on the pages…
As to any individual site, am not sure as each one is using something slightly different.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You could have every single piece of technology on the planet using AI and it would still falter, because HUMANS DON’T WANT AI! Time and time again it’s been shown that people don’t like this shit. You’re spending money that hasn’t been made, on ram that hasn’t been produced, to be installed in AI data centers that haven’t been built, to run AI farms that have zero interest from humans, to chase profits that will never come.
I would normally say “congratulations, you fell for it again”, except nobody is tricking you here. YOU are the one tricking yourself. Every expert has stated that CEOs everywhere report no actual benefit from their AI use. Tech experts everywhere report that customers don’t want AI in their toilet. Or their toaster. Or their TV. Or their cell phone.
So who is this for?
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
You mean you’re telling me that the technology that can’t even correctly predict my next word in my text messages, is untrustworthy at an even bigger scale? I remember when AI first came out and I talked about that, they went on and on about how they’re different.
Also, please don’t anyone forget that the CEOs of these corporations were firing and replacing their workers in proportion to the amount of trust they gave LLMs. Do not forget.
4am@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
It’s simple, really.
You’ll save everything to the cloud. Your work really likes this, as they don’t have to maintain their own share drives anymore. All your files are on OneDrive.
Home users can no longer afford their own computing. The PC is dead. All the parts have been scooped up to build out massive AI data centers. All they can do is afford “dumb terminals”: cheap tablets and laptops that can’t do much on their own, but can stream cloud apps, videos, games exceedingly well. Most don’t care because they don’t want to be bothered with “all this IT stuff. God, those computer guys are annoying!”
LLMs are only actually “good” at one thing, analysis of text (including non-English languages and also computer file formats).
Microsoft and others will use their new trove of information, with their new tools of analysis, to get ahead of the market. Imagine what companies would pay for the “intelligence” of knowing what their competitors are thinking, as they type it out. Imagine what governments would pay for near instant knowledge of who disagrees with them. Imagine what advertisers might get for bids for when they can guarantee someone’s thought pattern will result in a successful sale.
And big tech will charge us all for the privilege, or we will get left behind and unable to participate in society. When Microsoft turns off the lights, you’re basically homeless and unable to work.
It needs to crash and burn before this can ever happen. It needs to be ended now.
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
You had me until:
Imagine what companies would pay for the “intelligence” of knowing what their competitors are thinking
Right there is the reason why it will fall apart once it hits critical mass.
The little guys might not have a choice but the big players will run away from the cloud if it means they lose their edge.
I kind of agree with you but from experience I know when businesses get way waaay too big, they kind of trip over themselves cause of all the tech debt and spaghetti code
AlexLost@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Butlerian Jihad here we come!
Rooty@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If nobody is using your product then you made a shit product and should scrap it before you lose any more money.
Follow me for more business tips.
mPony@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
but what about FORCING everyone to use the product whether they want to use it or not? I heard that if you’re powerful enough there’s no need to ask permission, “they let you do it.”
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Follow me for more business tips.
I am so here for this.
Dear Rooty,
We promised investors adoption we could not achieve, and we had to rebrand our best product to create the illusion of adoption.
This leads to our question:
How can we make more of our product offering icons look like butt holes?
Thank you in advance for your wisdom!
melfie@lemy.lol 3 weeks ago
Whining that nobody wants to use your product worked pretty well for Zuck and his Mii-verse. Oh, that’s right, it didn’t, never mind.
wakko@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Translation: “Please help us justify our choices to our board. They want to know why we YOLO’d billions into making our users hate us.”
bebabalula@feddit.dk 2 weeks ago
“Ponzi scheme could falter without wider adoption, warns early Ponzi scheme investor”
worhui@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
If he wanted people to like it then he should have made it do things people want it to do.
It is the new metaverse.
CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Hell I’d almost settle for just “make it work”. No disclaimers, no bullshitting. Computers should be optimized and accurate. AI is neither.
worhui@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Ai does work great, at some stuff. The problem is pushing it into places it doesn’t belong.
It’s a good grammar and spell check. It helps me get a lot of English looking more natural.
It’s also great for troubleshooting consumer electronics.
It’s far better at search than google.
Even then it can only help, not replace folks or complete tasks.
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
“This totally amazing new product that everyone will definitely want might turn into a total failure if everyone doesn’t actually want it. Clearly, this is your fault for not wanting it hard enough, and not our fault for shoving a totally unwanted product down everyone’s throats.”
sunbytes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If people aren’t adopting it, it’s not a boom.
It’s an investment boom.
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
It’s an investment boom.
Well said. I’m going to steal this.
nonentity@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Stop calling LLMs ‘AI’, there’s nothing intelligent about regurgitating statistically luke-warm refried Reddit threads.
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
My line, thanks for saving me the work of typing it out this time.
JayGray91@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
My gripe with calling LLMs AI is it makes it harder to discuss enemy AI behaviour in video games lol.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
As this asshole and his asshole company tries to force adoption via shoving it down Windows 11 users without consent.
Reminder that now is a great time to switch to Linux desktop.
mPony@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Now is a great time to lobby the companies you work for to get them to dump Windows and switch everything to Unix/FOSS/etc wherever possible.
biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Translation:
“AI bubble could burst without us shoehorning it into everything, Microsoft chief Satya Nadella warns”
korazail@lemmy.myserv.one 2 weeks ago
Big tech boss tells delegates at Davos that broader global use is essential if technology is to deliver lasting growth
Let me rephrase:
“Smart” entitled person says our product is not showing value, so we need to force people to use it more than we already are after years of cramming it down their throats.
CosmoNova@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So they‘re finally reaching the „we could fail…“ stage of the hype cycle. This is great news, actually. The sooner this charade ends the lesser destructive it will be. Even when it already caused devastating damage to society.
UnculturedSwine@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Don’t threaten me with a good time
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
“People don’t want our product and we’re in danger of failure, wahhh” -capitalist oligarch
Something something free market dynamics something something. Oh wait, they only believe in that when it means deregulating, but if it means letting their company fail then all of a sudden everyone else has a responsibility to carry weight for them?
Privatized profits and socialized losses. Damn greedy crooks.
crusa187@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
That’s right. He bought $TRUMP so we get to bail out their shitty company when AI “boom” implodes on itself. Banana republic go brrrr
Such a waste.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
It would be really funny if the whole world decides to dump its US treasury bonds all at once, so that when the AI bubble does burst the US has nothing with which to bail out the tech companies responsible, and the rest of the world doesn’t have to share the brunt of the fall…
Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Man, I cannot wait for the comedy movies that come out based on this farce, explaining exactly how these jokers lost all their money.
Tiger666@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Lost? More like took all our money.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
The best comedies will be made by them… like the NFT cartoon that was made using the bored ape pictures that was so bad that even the biggest advocates of NFTs had no idea what the hell they were doing.
LifeLikeLady@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You guys remember NFTs? I hope we get to move on from AI the same way…
Here’s hoping.
0x0@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Unless someone bails them out.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Who’s going to do that? Everyone with any money is already leveraged up to the eyeballs in this shit.
Rekall_Incorporated@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Nadella maybe know a lot more than any of us about LLMs/GenAI tech, but one doesn’t need to know anything about LLMs (or even technology) to know that an oligarch like Nadella cannot be trusted (in any context).
lime@feddit.nu 3 weeks ago
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Power corrupts, we’ve know this since the dawn of time
tal@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
I’m kind of more-sympathetic to Microsoft than to some of the other companies involved.
Microsoft is trying to leverage the Windows platform that they control to do local LLM use. I’m not at all sure that there’s actually enough memory out there to do that, or that it’s cost-effective to put a ton of memory and compute capacity in everyone’s home rather than time-sharing hardware in datacenters. Nor am I sold that laptops are a fantastic place to be doing a lot of heavyweight parallel compute.
But…from a privacy standpoint, I kind of would like local LLMs to be at least available, even if they aren’t as affordable as cloud-based stuff. And at least Microsoft is at least supporting that route. A lot of companies are going to be oriented towards just doing AI stuff in the cloud.
makyo@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Is that true? I haven’t heard MS say anything about enabling local LLMs. Genuinely curious and would like to know more.
4am@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Microsoft wants developers to have local access to models but end users are 100% corralled into OneDrive and Copilot. I’m not sympathetic to them at all.
Feyd@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
They’re trying to leverage their windows platform to seek rent (sell premium cloud services like LLM access) for shit people don’t even want because they aren’t satisfied making very respectable money on licenses.
Rekall_Incorporated@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
I wouldn’t trust a local LLM solution from a large American company. Not saying that they would try to “pull a quick one”, but they are unreliable and corrupt.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
If Microsoft cared about privacy then they wouldn’t have made windows practically spyware. Even if they install AI locally in the OS, it’s still proprietary software that constantly sends data back to the mothership, consuming your electricity and RAM to do so. Linux has so many options, there’s really no reason not to switch.
Small LLMs already exist for local self-hosting, and there are open-source options which won’t steal your data and turn you into a product.
huggingface.co/spaces/…/open_llm_leaderboard#/
Bear in mind that the number of parameters your system can handle is limited by how much memory is available, and using a quantized version can increase the number of parameters you can handle with the same amount of memory.
Unless you have some really serious hardware, 24 billion parameters is probably the maximum that would be practical for self-hosting on a reasonable hobbyist set-up. But I’m no expert, so do some research and calculate for yourself what your system can handle.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
He means the LLM boom. Their conflating LLMs with all of AI is nonsense.
There are plenty of other machine learning projects, even ones using Transformer-based neural networks), that are doing just fine because they are not built on top of ridiculous business models like ‘buy every bit of computer hardware and hope someone makes something to run on it’.
The faster this thing crashes, the faster all consumer electronics becomes cheaper.
kablez@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think the backlash to LLM is already hurting all AI projects and will be especially bad when that bubble pops.
Everyone’s going to think all AI, and AGI, projects are LLMs and scoff at them.
The magic that used to be tied to the term AI is dead by fraud.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Just one more GPU rack I swear, were totally right on the cusp of AGI. Just need you to lend me a couple hundred more million.
DrBob@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Bakkoda@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The stone hasn’t bled enough. Squeeze harder.
- The American Economy
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I can’t wait for the full on gaslighting to start. They’re going to tell us that the economy will fall into recession if we don’t embrace AI.
Soup@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Capitalism: “The customers get decide what suceeds and what fails!”
Capitalism: “What a load of horseshit, and they’ll eat it up, too, the idiots.”
Always incredible to me how staunch supporters of capitalism are routinely ok with handouts to the tune of billions of dollars when they aren’t getting any real benefit. They’re even the type say they don’t negotiate with terrorists and I guess they’re right, since they just immediately fall to their demands.
baatliwala@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m not an AI hater but make literally one functioning AI product bro before you say that
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
“AI” meeting transcription is pretty handy
merc@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Has there ever been a true world-changing invention where the “inventors” had to beg the public to use it?
LifeLikeLady@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Honestly, look at how many people were actually against electricity. People have been fucking morons forever.
( I’m not at all in favor of AI. In fact, very much against it.)
Fuck AI, and fuck MicroSlop.
merc@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Sure, some people were initially against electricity. But, it’s not like they had to beg people to use it. There was enough demand that the main issue was deciding between AC and DC, not whether to do it at all.
gergolippai@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Oh no! Anyway…
TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
This isn’t how fucking markets work you God damn dweebs. Has nobody in Silicon Valley taken econ 101
mika_mika@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I really think they did it so easily with the adoption of the smartphone and the centralized Internet they genuinely are confused why their strategy isn’t working this time around.
mika_mika@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I would also like to add that this is our fault as consumers for lapping up and becoming dependent on the smartphone and centralized Internet. (Though on the fediverse you are probably aware of that, but almost all of the content here originates from it).
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
Come on guys, the copilot button is right there… getting nervous Any moment you want! Hehe. sweating intensely Just right there for the clicking to improve your life. Looks over his shoulder at the pile of money that’s burning to a pile of ashes
stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
“Its the customer’s that are wrong” is essentially what he is saying. Anyone with any marketing ability should know how insane that sounds. Build something that people want to use to drive growth. This is pretty much an admission that LLMs are a solution in search of a problem.
ryper@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Perhaps it should have been wide adoption that led to a boom, instead of a boom in hope of adoption?
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
That’s just crazy talk. You’ll never create a blackhole moneypit that manages to keep you a billionaire that way.
Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Nadella was already a billionaire before the AI boom and all indicated it would stay that way.
tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
That’s how faster horses work. If you want to sell something actually new you have to take some risk. Speculative investment is good. It’s just group-think me-too investment bandwagon bubbles that are bad. And to be clear I think the world is overinvesting in AI by a lot. The strange thing is that so thinks a lot of financial experts, but “the market can stay irrational longer than you can remain solvent” so here we are.
merc@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
The way that sort of invention often works is:
If it truly is a world changing invention, step 4 is “world is amazed, inventor can’t keep up with demand”. There are also frequent cases where the world goes “meh, not for me”. Now occasionally those are when an invention is ahead of its time, and years or decades later the inventor is vindicated. The other case is when the invention really isn’t good, and there simply isn’t and will never be demand for it.
Somehow, the AI bubble is built with people ignoring the feedback from people that keep saying “meh, not for me”, and the various “inventors” burning more and more of their money trying to change people’s minds. Has that ever worked?
BluePea@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Today, the main factor in sales success or failure is not the ability to satisfy your customers’ needs, but the ability to create new ones for them. Ai failed to create new needs.
Lag@piefed.world 3 weeks ago
No, pamp it.