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• frog_brawler@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Bezos isn’t a visionary, he’s a recationary. His opinions are worth less than the toilet paper I use to wipe my asshole with. Ya’ll need to get off Lex Luthor’s nutbag.

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• kamen@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Yeah, we get it, Bezos. You want us to shove more and more money down your throat.

  Reading the article, the analogy with an own generator and the power grid kind of makes sense at first… until you also make an analogy with broadcast and cable TV for example - you don’t get to choose what’s on, and in the latter case you’re practically paying for ads and some programming in between. So… how about no.

  My fear is that those shortages (artificial or not) might at one point really drive us in a different direction. My only option for now is to vote with my wallet and use my stuff for as long as practically feasible.

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  • AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yeah, we get it, Bezos. You want us to shove more and more money down your throat.

    I’m prepared to contribute a whole lot of pennies to the cause.

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    • kamen@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Given how greedy he is, you’ll have quite a lot of contributing to do.

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• Kaizodrack@lemmy.eco.br ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  “Own nothing and be happy”

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• chunes@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Shit like this is why I’m glad I’m almost dead.

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• Quazatron@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  As they say in my county: “go and die far from here, so I can’t smell you”.

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• Numinous_Ylem@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Fucking parasite.

  I’m not sure how, but billionaires need to have their billions forcibly taken and redirected toward the public good. If humanity wants any future other than techno-feudalist fascism we need to figure out how to destroy the global billionaire class permanently within the next few decades or we are gonna be fucked for centuries. You’ll rent everything and own nothing, they will bleed everyone dry, and if you rise up to disrupt the system you’ll get a robot boot on your neck.

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  • Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I feel like this is the real 100 men VS 1 gorilla or whatever. A half dozen billionaires VS a half dozen billion people.

    I hope we wrench our future from the cold grasp of these ever nonsatisfied greed monsters, sooner than later preferably.

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• call_me_xale@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Something something cold, dead hands

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• oldest_meme_420@hilariouschaos.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Something something my cold dead hands

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• dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Make no mistake, the oligarchs see the personal computer as a 40-year-old experiment that has failed, or needs to fail. They want their mainframes and CPU/hr billing back. Server hosting for enterprise uses has already gone this way for the most part. Small consumers are next.

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• Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  It’s not at all surprising that fatcats looks at the juicy profits that Apple makes with their iOS closed garden and think “I want me some of that” - wanting to be a monopolist with captive customers makes the most business sense and is the most natural thing in a Capitalist Economic and Political environment.

  Most of the economic activity around Technology nowadays is rent-seeking and only the part which isn’t at all about money - open source - isn’t about corraling people into closed spaces, removing their choices and then extracting the most money possible from people who now have no other option.

  It’s kind like already 20 or 30 years ago Banks looked at cash payments and though that they should find a way to get comissions on those, same as they did with card payments, so already back they they were pushing things like electronic wallets (back then those were basically a special kind of card) and keep pushing it for decades (often with the support of governments, since 100% electronic payments are great for civil society surveillance), and nowadays in some countries there are pretty much no cash payments.

  So yeah, these people will totally try and get together with hardware makers with a dominant market position to slowly close down PC technology - for example the whole point of TPM is to take control away from the owners of the hardware and the “trusted” in “trusted platform” (aka TPM) isn’t about it being trusted by the owner of the hardware, it’s about it being trusted by the business selling the OS, who in turn can sell access to the thus gatekept environment to software making businesses.

  I believe the whole requirement for TPM 2.0 in Windows 11 even though it doesn’t actually need it is just a step in a broader strategy to turn PCs into a closed platform controlled by Microsoft.

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• RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  How he thinks he can make more billions by forcing yet another subscription model that takes ownership away from individuals.

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• RedRibbonArmy@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Imagine the tracking and monitoring of activity they could do. Might as well go voyeur at that point.

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• kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Genuenly I refuse to use cloud PCs, I don’t give a fuck how “cheap” they are or how “convenient” they are I ain’t using it. If there is still hardware being produced that works with Linux I’m buying it, if no hardware exists I’m gonna keep using my old hardware until new hardware that does support Linux comes out.

  The only thing that’s gonna be replaced is capitalism and by extension the capitalist class.

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• shiroininja@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Never ever ever. I learned to code on a 14 year old hp probook. I know how long I can hold out.

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• utopiah@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  TBH I don’t think he’s wrong, especially in HIS position.

  Namely I think having the flexibility of the cloud is amazing… but NOT at the cost of losing sovereignty.

  So when Bezos uses AWS he is actually smart because he remains sovereign. When anybody though does rely on another system that they do not own for critical tasks then then lose sovereignty and thus agency.

  TL;DR: cloud or not, maintain your agency.

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  • ICastFist@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    TL;DR: cloud or not, maintain your agency.

    Even that is getting harder, thanks to google and micro$hit doing everything they can to lock down their respective OSs. Linux on a desktop, yadda yadda, but we’re ~12 years into the smartphone era and we still don’t fully own those electronic pieces of shit. Only a limited number of models can receive custom roms.

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    • utopiah@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      FWIW I do have 2 Linux phones and… they work. The problem IMHO is that non-software companies believe THEY can lock or profit their customers via an “app”. If they only provided a Web page instead rather than a mandatory mobile application then it wouldn’t matter so much.

      So, despite have working Linux phones (albeit far from perfect) I’m still relying on a deGoogled Android phone so that I can run mobile “apps” for only a couple of, quite important to me, services.

      To summarize, I don’t think it’s the OS themselves that fuel lock-in but rather apps that require those locked down OSes.

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• ElcaineVolta@kbin.melroy.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  so everyone owning their own pc is "antiquated" but everyone owning their own car is super cool and awesome.
  got it.

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  • WanderingThoughts@europe.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Nah, they want everybody to only use their robotaxi too.

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  • slacktoid@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Wait so you’re saying we can have these cars that can come pick up a bunch of people and it’ll be more efficient than everyone having their own car? What if we put the car on some kind of pre defined path, like a fixed one that can’t move. Would that make it more efficient?

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  • Klnsfw@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Nah, everyone owning their own car is just the fucking norm. What’s cool is buying a new car. Often, and brand new.

    When an economic system encourages you to constantly replace the same product, the concept of ownership becomes a little blurred. I mean, if you spend part of your budget on it every month for your entire life, it’s not much different from renting.

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• arc99@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Sometimes renting from the cloud is a perfectly acceptable solution. However companies leap to using AWS and similar cloud solutions WAY more than necessary or advisable. It is easy to rack up thousands in bills outstripping the costs of buying some hardware and slapping the software onto it. The cloud can scale and do a bunch of cool things but much of the time companies don’t need it, or the complexity it brings.

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• Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I would rather lower the specs of my network than rent anything from them. If in 2035 I can only afford a raspberry pi 7, so be it.

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• orioler25@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Though this is all motivated by capitalistic expansion, it’s also worth noting that liberals have been trying to eliminate the dissent facilitated through online activism and information campaigns for a few years now. Ownership over our PCs means that there can always be an internet operated and monitored by us.

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  • ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I can’t believe we in a place where that needs to be said.

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    • orioler25@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      You gotta pay more attention then. Many of us have expected this for nine years, some sixty years.

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• MoogleMaestro@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Alternative Advice: Buy up old used mini-pcs if hardware is too expensive. Don’t buy AWS unless you actually need cloud services (i.e. you’re hosting a website).

  I won’t say VPSs don’t have their utility, but anyone framing it as an alternative to owning a PC is completely DeLuLu and need their head examined.

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  • DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    There are other VPS providers you can use, though, most of the Fediverse uses Hetzner, for instance.

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    • paequ2@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I wish Hetzner didn’t require uploading my legal documents (they asked for my passport or ID) to verify my account. Otherwise, seems cool. I’m in the US.

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  • treadful@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I won’t say VPSs don’t have their utility, but anyone framing it as an alternative to owning a PC is completely DeLuLu and need their head examined.

    I’ve been trying using a VPS entirely as a development box. Something that has my entire development environment in it. Then I can just SSH to it from wherever and always have my workspace ready where I left off in tmux.

    It has it’s pros and cons. But it’s definitely not a crazy idea. In fact it’s a pretty old idea.

    Even game streaming has gotten some traction. And when GPUs all cost $4k, maybe GeForce streaming isn’t a bad financial choice.

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• buddascrayon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I love how the author keeps bringing up how expensive it would be to implement a system of cloud computing rental because no one would pay the amount it would require to make such a thing profitable. But we’re talking about Jeff bezos here who took billions of dollars worth of loss for over 10 years before making Amazon the profit machine that it is now. Simply by making things cheaper for a long period of time until the customer base eas so used to the model that they could picture doing it any other way and their competition went out of business. I can totally foresee them doing this exact thing with cloud computing. Make it really cheap get people hooked where they have gotten rid of all of their in person computers and then, once access to home computing is either prohibitively expensive or impossible to do because parts are no longer available or otherwise impossible for people to switch away, jack up the price and make it profitable by squeezing every dime out of the average consumer.

  This was also, by the way, Netflix’s strategy as well as Spotify and all the other cloud-based services that people are “addicted to”. Take billions and loss to get people used to your service and not consider any alternative. Then once you have a captive audience shoot that price to the Moon.

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  • Christobootswiththepher@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yarrr

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• MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  My answer to that: 🖕

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• PissingIntoTheWind@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  This is stupid. I will never rent a computer mainframe.

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• Rooty@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Salesman shills product, nothing new. Besides, there is too much commodity hardware floating around for this to be plausible.

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  • tetris11@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    For now. The hobbyist space is under attack, with Qualcomm buying Arduino, and RAM prices through the roof.

    If you price out hobbyists from consumer hardware, and offer a slightly cheaper alternative in the cloud, what will consumers do

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    • Rooty@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I’m hanging onto every bit of consumer hardware for this very reason. Hobbysts should get more into recycling and refurbishing existing hardware, especially mobile phone boards instead of buying doohickies.

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• Engywuck@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Fuck you, Bezos. And fuck Amazon.

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  • biotin7@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Going full luddite is counter-productive

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    • MalReynolds@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      A historical context Luddite would probably be destroying datacentres presently, we might have a thing or two to learn from them.

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    • Engywuck@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Maybe not. I’m pretty sure the ratio of productivity vs waste of time when sitting in front of a pc is actually <<1 in my case.

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• dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  “We have all this hardware and no consumers because businesses just buy up the competition, and fire the workers. We need to sell it, but to who? We own the enterprise market.”

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• qyron@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I worked with someone that defend this isea to the letter, just not contemplating companies.

  The argument stemmed from an alledge visit he had done to Japan, where he had seen terminals connected to mainframes, and people used those from their house.

  I was only able to raise one argument: that is not my computer.

  Mind that this man was extremely tech savvy, an experienced and proficient programmer and played the roles of IT solutions an security implementer and supervisor at the company we worked at. And we handled sensitive information.

  To him, relegating everything to an outside server was a dream, as removed the hassle and responsability of having to maintain, repair, replace and upgrade hardware. Everything needed should be a monitor, a keyboard and a mouse or trackball.

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  • Chronographs@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yeah beyond the obvious problems with latency it mostly comes down to trust: trusting them with your data, trusting them to have enough capacity and trusting to not enshittify in the future. I reserve that level of trust for close friends, certainly not companies and absolutely not bezos.

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  • floofloof@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    There are plenty of smart tech workers without the first clue about morality or human rights. Outside of tech these people are ignorant and naive. That’s why so many techbros become libertarians and stumble into fascism. It’s cluelessness and a lack of curiosity to discover the world outside of tech.

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      tech is the field furthest away working with humans hence why they are more conservative in some case, biotech is somewhere in between(used to be only well off people who can afford scientist level schooling and cost, still kinda is)

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• tonytins@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Nah, Bezos. Linux is getting better by the day.

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  • floofloof@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    That’s why they have to make the hardware unobtainable. This is well underway.

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    • tonytins@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      And they’ll be shooting themselves in the foot in the process.

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  • FreeBooteR69@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    That’s the thing, with a free operating system you can do whatever the fuck you want. The best games coming out are indie developers and they can target hardware people have. We can wait them out.

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    • floofloof@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      It’s really important not to discard functional hardware now, even by throwing it into recycling. It’s more useful intact and may not be replaceable forever.

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• jaykrown@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  So stupid, given how quickly computers have become more powerful and cheaper over time. Local PC hardware will never be antiquated, and is only becoming more important over time.

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  • GreenKnight23@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    because that’s how capitalism works. PC hardware is so cheap and easy to make, the ROI is getting lower and lower each cycle.

    if they only sell access to the hardware, profits go up exponentially and potentially forever.

    this is why “x as a service” is used so much.

    it’s one of the reasons why windows 11 is so shitty. they’re using it as a playground to test the limits of what consumers will accept. the experience is so atrocious that the next version will likely be hosted as a virtual desktop through Azure that you pay for hourly.

    when it’s released, all the shitty things with 11 will be magically resolved and you’ll hear so many “reviews” talk about “how they listened to the end users and care about the user experience but it’s just not possible to deliver the great experience they want on consumer hardware”.

    it’s always about the money.

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    • jaykrown@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I think you give them too much credit, I think it’s just incompetence and feature creep, and Microsoft desperately trying to hold on to users while more switch to Linux. The enshittification will rapidly increase, and more will realize they don’t have to pay at all for a good operating system.

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• flock_of_nazguls@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  They gotta do something with all those data centres once the AI bubble pops. Pop pop!

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  • MoogleMaestro@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Exactly. This is really just hedging their bets. They know the carpet is being pulled and now they’re in the bargaining phase. (This plus Jensen asking people to be nicer about AI shlock.)

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  • treadful@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I want to see community DCs like we have community gardens. Municipal plots for hobby computing or offsite subsistance storage.

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    • flock_of_nazguls@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Love it!

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