Good? Current gen is extremely capable and there’s no reason for a refresh then anyways.
AI-Induced RAM Crunch Could Push Next PlayStation and Xbox Past 2028
Submitted 3 weeks ago by commander@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world
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TwinTitans@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Ephera@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Yeah, it feels like those consoles would be more expensive, for hardware that’s not going to be terribly stronger, to play games which don’t need the visual upgrade, and all of that wants to be paid by players with less money to spend.
the_q@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Console gaming now is stupid. The Xbox and PlayStation are both just x86_64 PCs with different colored plastic shells.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The PS5 keys got leaked, it’s going to be a full fledge PC once the modders get to work. Might be the cheapest way to get ram now hah.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It will definitely boost PS5 sales. Sony loves to boast about PlayStation 2 being the best selling console in history but they conveniently leave out the reason. It’s because there are modchips and even software jailbreaks for the console. It’s why it sold super well during the end of its lifetime in low and middle income regions.
Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
Oh wut? Lol my PS5 just got a lot more interesting.
P1nkman@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’ll be converting my PS5 to a Steam Machine once the masters have done their work.
TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
The original Xbox even had a hard drive and DVD ROM player connected by IDE cables so it didn’t change much.
motruck@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Indeed and two years of advancement for steamboxes / Linux gaming distros will be the nail in the coffin. These are the last of their kind.
Wigglesworth@retrolemmy.com 3 weeks ago
Start by making some content for the systems you already fucking have. My ps5 gets closer to facebook marketplace every day.
Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
That’s a terrible business model and the shareholders disapprove.
/S kinda
LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This is great news for the video game community as even Sony and Microsoft admit consoles have nowhere else to go. They are already maxed out mini PC’s. So without huge graphics cards, you will see ZERO actual improvements on a 2028 console.
Save your money.
yermaw@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I dont want consoles to “get better” i want them to do more.
kinect was great and they killed it
1v100 was great and is kill
360 was promising us a virtual economy where pseudo-modders could make skins and sell them and they decided no
mixxer seemed great and is kill
picture in picture was great for waiting for games with really low player count but is kill
where’s WoW
they stopped shipping headsets with xbox and now voice chat is basically dead.
basically everyone has phones now but theres next to no uses other than jackbox and dance game
the avatars were pretty sweet, a nice cute MTX-fueled self-insertion gimmick.
These are jsut xbox related because peasantry. I could go on and on if I put some thought into it, and what’s worse is that a lot of my gripes there ACTUALLY EXISTED. They saw it could be done, did it, then just said “lol no”. I dont know what game theyre playing, just creating previous work to hoard patents or some shit, but we’ve got perverted by graphics over the ages.
We marveled at shiny graphics/polygon count/draw distance/objects on screen because it was the most surface-level, obvious, in-your-face evidence of improvements. Nobody but tech enthusiasts really care about it. The big improvements we actually gave a shit about are the quality of life features, control schemes and shit.
Goldeneye 007 on the N64 was considered a masterpiece, and is still looked on some 30 years later with nostalgia about the good old days. Go play it if you get a chance its near unplayable because the controls are weird. The dated graphics will be jarring but theyre not what irks you.
Stardew Valley is a straight rip-off of Harvest Moon, but go play a HM game from before SV. So much of it is janky and weird.
They’ll be saying theres nowhere left to go because computing power has basically plateaud but there is so much more room for improvement and innovation.
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
I dont want consoles to “get better” i want them to do more.
Exactly. They could give us a built-in light gun and a steering wheel, and see what indie game developers do with them!
SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
I can just have the AI play my games for me. Problem SOLVED!
Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Then you’ll be free to work more! It’s win-win!
SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
EXACTLY what the Billionaires were after in the first place. That’s some 3-D chess going on here.
motruck@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Good. Let’s make everyone hate ai so we turn against it and regress back to a better time.
Vupware@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Good honestly, we don’t need another generation yet. Constraints are good for innovation.
kinkles@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Microsoft could justify a $1000 console if it can also be used as a full desktop computer. I couldn’t see Sony doing something similar unless they miraculously brought back Linux mode.
But I also wonder if Microsoft will take a legit attempt at salvaging the Xbox brand next generation since they’ve completely blown this one now and are making no steps to remedy it.
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
$1000 computer running windows 11?
At these RAM prices?
Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They’ve had the hardware for it since the first Xbox, so I assume they’ve gone out of their way to avoid that. I believe they want to make sure their consumers buy both an Xbox and a PC.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The PS5 security keys got leaked, until they make a new hardware revision, every existing ps5 (and maybe pro) just became fully open.
CosmoNova@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I mean they just announced a handheld „Xbox“ that can‘t even play Xbox games but relies on Xbox Gamepass and your PC library. They don‘t do consoles anymore.
ChristchurchAsshole@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Play Anywhere means you can play some xbox titles on the handheld system, but for most of us this isn’t worth it. Very little support at the moment.
TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Good, that will make my GPU relevant for longer
CosmoNova@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
There won‘t really be a next Xbox. I think Microsoft made that very clear. It‘s all cloud gaming for AAA from here on out.
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Or it’s going to be a PC with an Xbox GUI skin and console form factor
thetrekkersparky@startrek.website 3 weeks ago
Probably. Its most likely going to look like the steam machine except it’ll run on win11with an Xbox gui instead of linux. Probably be quite locked down in regards to software and store access as well.
CosmoNova@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I don‘t see why. All the hardware you need is already integrated in their data centers.
Lfrith@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Do enough people even like the added latency of cloud gaming? And is that going to be tolerated for popular games like COD, Fortnite, or Valorant?
ChristchurchAsshole@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Maybe they’ll do that but here in New Zealand I’m not going to be streaming on my shared 100mbps connection. There are 10 people sharing the line it’s not going to work for cloud gaming.
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Good. They can both run Cyberpunk. Games don’t need to look better than that. Let’s focus on porting older PC games that still have some life in them to existing consoles, and/or getting Steam running on them.
At some point we gotta say “what can we do with the tech we have” rather than looking toward the next one. Look at the Switch 2, it only has a couple games the Switch 1 can’t play, and “Switch 2 Edition” of existing games… that update was completely unnecessary. But they’re gonna release a big update for the biggest Switch game (Animal Crossing) in a couple weeks. Making existing games have more value.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I mean…Cyberpunk can look better than Cyberpunk if you throw more hardware at it than a PS5 and enable Path Tracing.
RagingRobot@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Who cares they will just be the same thing with more powerful hardware.
Make something new already
llamatron@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
So it’s not all bad news then
Thoath@leminal.space 3 weeks ago
So y’all remember when they had more than 5 games for their consoles? Why the fuck do we need a bigger better one? The ps5 still comes off as fucking useless in my understanding so, making the tech more complex without taking care of their gaming situation is a ridiculous cash grab and serves only to isolate the industry MORE from the gaming consumer
Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Good, I can’t afford new shit now anyways. Gimme shit for the shit I have.
Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Exactly! The good part of such a shortage is that old tech can stay relevant for far longer and devs will have to optimize more.
Sometimes, therés a lot of good in a bad situation.
I want great games, not necessarly more demanding ones. The Last of Us 2 is still the most beautiful game I’ve played and I don’t really need more if it means getting new hardware.
Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Yeah and like, we’re reaching diminishing returns with how good things can even look. It already looks incredible, let’s work on making it look that way with less processing power and file sizes now. You don’t need another more powerful machine for that.
ChristchurchAsshole@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
See you in 2028 when the economy recovers and we all have jobs again.
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Heyyyy, talk about silver linings
vane@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
No GTA 6 until 2028 then.
ms_lane@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t think PS5 and XSX versions will be affected at all.
But since us on PC have to wait for that release AND the double dip on the PS6/New Xbox - we’re going to waiting until 2030 and beyond now.
Psythik@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
At this point I’m pretending that the game hasn’t even been announced yet.
I admit I bought an XBOX 360 for GTA V so I wouldn’t have to wait for PC, but TBF you could get a used 360 for about $60 because the next gen was just around the corner. I’m not seeing any PS5s selling for sntjerre near that cheap, so I won’t be playing GTA VI until it releases on PC this time around.
Bosht@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
And nothing of value was lost.
foodvacuum@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Good for me. It’s almost like how all the Switch Pro rumors became Switch 2 rumors and people being in denial it could be 2 because that’d be too weak in the year of release. Switch 2 is fine. Designs at this point are advanced. No sudden switching to 2030 GPU/CPU designs. You’ll get AMD 2027 designs in 2030 and budget gaming PCs in 2030+ will feast because of that
stringere@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Sucks that Microsoft sees no reason in enforcing any resource usage limits for anything, console manufacturers do this and games run incredibly well on there, same for how Apple (despite other bullshit they pull) enforces software requirements so it can run at least functionally on the oldest supported devices.
All Microsoft has done is shoot themselves in the foot by upping the requirements so they can get lazy with coding, such as pretty much every UI component being an electron app, or how apparently a third of it is vibe coded. Meanwhile, due to the prices of devices with reasonable amounts of RAM skyrocketing, too many consumers get the bottom of the barrel configs, and then wonder why their computer is insatiably slow; it’s because Microsoft is now enforcing their laziness, possibly so they can change UI components quicker through higher level languages.
shrimpgirl@lemmy.cafe 2 weeks ago
I really don’t understand why new consoles are even necessary at this point. With each new generation, the differences are less and less.
RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 2 weeks ago
Do we really need another playstation when they only just recently stopped putting every game on the ps4?
texture@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
better to edge on it than release at 3k
MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
What im hearing is that if we want those things sooner and at a reasonable price, we should do anything and everything possible to pop the AI bubble.
Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I admire your optimism, but I think this will get used as leverage for a push to cloud gaming. The end goal is for is to own nothing.
MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They’re certainly welcome to attempt selling that to me.
They won’t like the outcome, but that’s more of a them problem.
Stupendous@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
GeForce Now performs well but it’s already seeing further limits put in place. Gamepass already saw price hikes. Amazon Luna has a terribly small library. Smaller players have to buy GPUs, memory, and processor’s too and contend with AI data center induced rising power costs. Plus data center location matters a huge amount and that’s still a work in progress for game streaming services and a lot of the world
Plus my Internet throttles after like 1.5TB a month. Fine for ~15mbps Netflix. Not so good for ~100mbps game streaming. Others have data caps or overage fees. There certainly are those with uncapped/unthrottled internet. I wish my neighborhood had that
Game streaming is going mainstream going to get worse short term too. Mostly pricing and worse usage limits
A midrange phone these days are power competitive with a PS4. Makes more sense for Steam’s future support android APKs because of the Steam Frame to make way for Steam to be an Android game store and devs target Switch-PS4 hardware on the low end and PS5 mid/high end. Don’t even entertain the idea of a PS6 level min requirements game for a game releasing this decade. Probably not even for the first half of the 2030s
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Well the pop would only cause more issues like lack of funds for anyone to even afford one of those things.
MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Possibly, but this doesn’t diminish my desire for that bubble to pop sooner rather than later.