The millennium falcon is shit even in universe
You came in THAT thing??
No contest
Submitted 16 hours ago by Kirk@startrek.website to risa@startrek.website
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Skullgrid@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
The millennium falcon has a fuck ton of modifications made to it that actually make it a good ship. The issue is that it’s all slapped together redneck style so it’s very unreliable. Han’s claim that it’s the fastest ship in the galaxy is not actually that far off. It has a Class 0.5 Hyperdrive, which is the fastest hyperdrive in both canon and legends (with a few very obscure and circumstance-dependant exceptions, like the Jabitha and Aing-tii).
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Ok. So I guess Leia think it’s shit because it looks badly put together
kameecoding@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
The star wars universe as a whole is supposed to be in the dark ages after the glory and progress during the High Republic they are stuck/regressed, which is why everything looks like it’s cobbled together
wjrii@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
This feels like a bit of a straw-man. In my youthful nonsensical cross-franchise pissing-match days, we pitted the Enterprise versus a Star Destroyer, or at least some other capital ship.
Unless you were asking which one was cooler, in which case the Falcon wins every day and twice on Sunday.
Sxan@piefed.zip 12 hours ago
Yah, because you could drive it. Þe Enterprise must be staffed, which means being on it is not only a job, but it’s a military job, and let’s be honest: most Trekkie’s are not going to qualify for the post of Captain. Which means you’re going where someone else wants to go, and doing what someone else wants you to do.
Þe Falcon is Freedom.
I’d still rather be on the Enterprise, because I’d prefer to exist in the ST universe than the SW one. But you can never “own” the Enterprise. You only operate it with a vast military support network.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
I’m pretty sure Geordie “owns” The Enterprise D in Picard.
damnedfurry@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 hours ago
Who wants to burst the bubbles of Star Wars fans?
The Millennium Falcon could not stand up against any of the Star Trek Hero-ships. None of them. Zero, Zultch, Neoni.
- NX01 Enterprise: Might be a fair match due to lack of proper shields, but the NX01 could still one shot The Falcon.
- USS Discovery (either original or “A”): One Shot, Ship literally is a research vessel repurposed for war. it’ll still oneshot The Falcon.
- Enterprise (OG or A): One shot. Not even close.
- Enterprise D: Wouldn’t even need to oneshot you, will disable your weapons and engines and then bring you in to figure out what the fuck you are.
- Defiant: Literally built for war. Won’t fuck around, one shot.
- DS9: DS9 can one shot the Falcon, but I think DS9 would be a destination for the Falcon.
- Ceritos: Will shoot the Falcon down, and then someone will go “what the fuck was that”.
- Protostar: LITERALLY PILOTED BY FREAKIN’ TEENAGERS! Would still body the Falcon.
- La Serena: Closest narratively to the Falcon. Might stand a cha…what am I kidding, bodies it.
- Federation headquarters (32nd Century): Bodies it, wouldn’t have to because it’s surrounded by ships who alone could Body the Falcon.
In fact, every single ship on this list except for maybe the NX01 wouldn’t even need to fire a shot because they could just get a transporter lock, and teleport everyone off the ship and then grab it with a tractor beam. Everyone. Han, Chewie, Luke, Leia, Finn, Poe, Rei, everyone. They can be beamed directly to the Brig to make sure they don’t do anything stupid, and whoever the captain is (I’m going for Pike because he’s my favourite) can some down and be all “Hey, you were firing at my ship with a peashooter, don’t worry, it’s unharmed, strange ship, doesn’t have Warp or shields or anything. You all seem human except for the big guy there, we don’t have your species in our database. Want a drink of something? The replicator can make anything you’d like.”
Thrawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 hours ago
Ugh I guess I’m going to be this type of fan.
I like both universes but the “they will just get a transporter lock and teleport everyone” is an awful argument that shows a very bad lack of understanding of Star Trek.
There are hundreds of examples of transporters not working. Shields which even the tiny falcon does have are a constant example. Even past that there are tons of other cases. They don’t work in storms, through thick rock, through unusual armor/metal, around jamming which is used basically universally in Star Wars on anything larger or more expensive than a Tie Fighter.
Those are just the ones off the top of my head and there are at least a dozen more. It is one of the top plot lines used in every series.
In a fight the falcon just runs away since even mid grade Star Wars ships have radically faster FTL.
Now if you ignore the running away yes the tiny falcon probably does lose to most or maybe even all of the Trek hero ships. It is a smuggler ship that can just run past blockades if it gets flagged.
Actual combat ships are far harder to figure out. Star Wars deals with a massively larger scale of ship size, total energy output, and FTL speed. At first glance that seems like an obvious win and in a full galaxy scale conflict probably does go to Star Wars.
But any single ship to ship combat especially with the hero ships the range of gadgets/tricks on the Star Trek side is massively in their favor. The rate they pick up tech charges probably would largely even out the tech difference in a galaxy wide fight as well. However that doesn’t solve the scale difference. Maybe convince the Borg to produce ships with stolen FTL and hypermatter reactors
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 hours ago
There are other ships in the Star Wars universe ☺️
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 hours ago
Well the question was “Millennium Falcon vs Enterprise”.
As for say, any Star Trek Hero ship against a Star Dreadnought like an Assertor Class or Procurator, then it’s a challenge. I think in that case, one of the only ships that could stand a chance is maybe the Defiant purely because it’s made for the Hit-and-run tactics that those ships are weak against.
SteleTrovilo@beehaw.org 3 hours ago
What this analysis forgets is one simple fact:
Han shoots first.
(He still loses most matches but I think NX-01 would not win)
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
I don’t think vintage van is apt.
I think I’d go more with the something like a juiced up truck, or maybe hummer.
However, you could make the more apt comparison by sticking with ships.
The falcon was a smugglers’ ship, so it would be more like one of those fast cigarette boats drug runners use (or used to at least) rather than a car at all.
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 hours ago
A better comparison would be a run down small tramp steamer that someone lives on, slapped guns on, and has smuggling compartments installed against a fully staffed naval ship on a research mission.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
So, an old paddlewheel boat from the Mississippi or Ohio rivers?
semisimian@startrek.website 15 hours ago
In Star Trek, their run-of-the-mill, rarely discussed deflector is doing way more work than anything in the Star Wars universe. The one exception is the world-ender planet lasers which have been a big plot point in too many films and STILL have no plausible means to exist IN THEIR OwN UNIVERSE!
ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
The one thing Star Wars has over Star Trek is absolutely absurd levels of energy generation and storage. The thing about the construction of light sabers that impresses people in-universe is the Khyber crystal, not power cell running it which apparently is a palm sized terawatt fusion generator. That is why ships like the X-wing are still useful in combat. Even at their size, they can carry enough firepower to punch through a lot of armor and force shields.
semisimian@startrek.website 5 hours ago
Excellent point!
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
In a universe where magic is real.
wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 5 hours ago
Let’s be very clear, “magic” exists in StarTrek, too: Q is literal god-level magic. There are telekinetics, empaths, and hiveminds. At least one species has the capacity to mentally create realistic illusions taken from a subject’s mind, while others will keep you trapped in your own nightmares for what feels like centuries. Hologram programs are solid and are, multiple times, shown to have the capacity to achieve sapience.
So, saying “in a universe where magic exists” belies the real difference: “in a universe where the explanation of phenomena is not a priority”
The giant space lasers are never explained, because their explanation would not suit the desires of the storytellers.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@piefed.world 5 hours ago
It’s like asking if some random hick with a pickup truck, an AR-15 and a few pipe bombs could take on a fully trained Roman charioteer with equipment forged by the finest craftsmen in the Empire.
CobblerScholar@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
The Falcon is a corvette and the Enterprise is something like a cruiser or a battleship, we’re talking apples and oranges here
twinnie@feddit.uk 9 hours ago
Why are people still arguing in the comments. Falcon would be toast before they’d got someone to the turrets.
Kirk@startrek.website 35 minutes ago
I expected lols I did not expect to perpetuate a nearly 50 year old debate
neuracnu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 hours ago
Not so much a vintage van as a vintage semi-trailer truck.
marcos@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
What are you saying?
The crossbow guy shoots 1 out of every 10 times on target! Can the Enterprise to better than that? Do they have something like targeting computers that hit every time?
But well, I have only ever seen people asking about the Enterprise against the Death Star or the Enterprise against a destroyer. On both cases the Enterprise can destroy the ships without even getting in their ranges, of course, but it’s more than a pair of smugglers.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 3 hours ago
Enterprise can destroy the ships without even getting in their range
The deathstar destroyed planets light-years away.
I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Do you mean Starkiller base? Because the only planet completely destroyed by the Death Star was Alderaan, and it was in orbit around the planet at the time. Hardly light-years away.
lemmyng@piefed.ca 11 hours ago
But well, I have only ever seen people asking about the Enterprise against the Death Star or the Enterprise against a destroyer. On both cases the Enterprise can destroy the ships without even getting in their ranges, of course
Not just that, but Star Wars ships are effectively unshielded. The enterprise can just use the transporter to send a primed torpedo to their opponent’s bridge, or a tractor beam to rip their hull apart.
I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
The only unshielded ships are TIE fighters because it was cheaper to mass-produce them without them. Pretty much all other ships have shields.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 5 hours ago
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RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 13 hours ago
the falcon took on worse and had no problems.
data1701d@startrek.website 12 hours ago
But the Enterprise can probably beam Han and Chewy into the void of space if they so desired.
RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 4 hours ago
and if luke is on the falcon he can just use the force to make everyone’s brain explode
MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 15 hours ago
M-M-Moopsy.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
I forgot about the moopsy. I think that thing could possibly take down a Rancor
Routhinator@startrek.website 6 hours ago
Mr Boimler! Beam Moopsy over to that… thing and let’s call it a day. We have a dinner celebration to attend.
smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
We look for things, things to pay the Hutt.
dumbass@piefed.social 15 hours ago
I’m a Trekkie though and through, but I still think the Millenium Falcon wins that battle in a simple one on one.
Routhinator@startrek.website 5 hours ago
Username checks out.
julian@community.nodebb.org 55 minutes ago
... but but but he did the Kessel run in 12 parsecs or something maaaaan